2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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For some reaons this website is minimizing my excel screenshots when I have posted them at normal size before.

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Basically democrats are looking for something different in Biden.

NBC splitting the streams means Trump is behind Biden in trending for the Townhall for 2 and 1 respecively.

Short Summary:

CandidateViewsLikesDislikesRatio
GEOTUS6841140846703301972 Percent
Sleep Joe4305928591432520170 Percent

Detailed Table:

LinksTitleViewsLikesDislikesRatio
NBC News hosts town hall with President Trump — 10/15/2020135067219733601777 Percent
Donald Trump Town Hall With Voters | Election 2020 | NBC News257726227776975774 Percent
NBC News hosts town hall with President Trump — 10/15/20202913116372111724568 Percent
TOTAL6841140846703301972 Percent
Watch ABC News Joe Biden Town Hall in Philadelphia Moderated by George Stephanopoulos4305928591432520170 Percent
 
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GuntPunt said:
Just curious, was it more of a protest vote or do you actually agree with her policies? I have some libertarian friends abstaining because they think JoJo isn't libertarian enough.
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Agree with like 90% of her policies. How's she "not libertarian enough" for your friends? She get an A+ on COVID, gun rights, drugs, all that shit.
 
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CrippleThreat said:
Record turnout apparently:
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Record turnout will be determined once a winner of the election is declared.

"Turnout" may look huge right now ... But don't forget the data about new voter registration (spoiler: registration is under this year).

In a normal year, large early turnout may determine the amount of votes overall, but in 2020, you can't help but ask if COVID has anything to do with this. We'll get our answer on Election Day; if turnout on the actual day is low, then it will be pretty obvious that the "high early turnout" was just people avoiding Election Day crowds or mailing in their ballots due to COVID paranoia.
 
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This is why many libertarians are refusing to vote for Jorgensen.

Trump has actually been distinct from Obama and Bush in that he hasn't started any new wars and has been withdrawing more troops from the Middle East. He's also put pressure on big tech media giants for their free speech violations, which he can intensify in his second term. Another establishment Republican or establishment Democrat would not have done that. You can say he hasn't gone full on "legalize all drugs, legalize prostitution, withdraw every single troop from every single base, remove almost every single form of taxation, etc" but pragmatic libertarians realize that we haven't had a President this libertarian-ish for decades upon decades.
 
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heyitsmike said:
Open borders libertarians are the lowest form of life on earth. Congrats, your group includes the Koch Brothers, Justin Amash and Liz Mair. I hope you're proud.
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Now now, as much as I think lolbertarians bought into a lot of stupid crap, at least they aren't the guys who still think Riden with Biden is somehow the edgy, career-risking move.
 
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Someone Awful said:
Edit: Trump is heading to Erie, Pennsylvania next Tuesday and Gastonia, North Carolina next Wednesday. I'm glad Trump is hitting Pennsylvania hard, but why does Trump need to rally again in North Carolina if Barrett is inevitably getting in the court and Baris's poll has Trump winning Florida by 1.6%? North Carolina IIRC has been voting to the right of Florida for decades.
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I have a theory on this.
Trump doesn't campaign like a normal candidate; in 2016 he was outspent 2 to 1, got his news coverage for free by saying outrageous things, and got his actual message out through the relatively new channel of Twitter. In every media market, Clinton had more ads, more coverage, more channels; but Trump had bigger crowds and bigger "reach" by tricking the media into covering what he said. In essence, Trump ran a very efficient campaign, doing the bare minimum to achieve what he thought he needed, probably because it was his own money being spent.

The stories we see in 2020 aren't about massive, impressive media buys, like we saw for Obama or Clinton. In fact we regularly hear stories about Trump pulling ads in certain states, which looks weird. But we do get constant stories about his rallies, which are now being done relatively cheaply by pulling up Air Force One to a small stage in front of a big crowd, talking for 2 hours, then heading out.

I don't know if his campaign is reimbursing the Air Force for use of the plane while on campaign business, not sure how the campaign finance laws work for that. But he's not even bringing along the expensive Secret Service armored motorcade to these things. It's just the plane on a tarmac, always in a 2nd or 3rd tier airport that's not actually in a major city. All he's depending on is a microphone, a small ground crew to put up bleachers, and a few media outlets (like OANN, RSN, or Fox) who will broadcast the whole thing on their own dime.

Normally, you'd see these "safe" states still being blanketed with media ads right now. Trump has decided to substitute expensive ad buys with relatively cheap in-person rallies. Instead of putting his face in every commercial break in PA for a month, he's visiting roughly once a week. He's also switched from having no ground game in 2016 to massive in-person ground game in 2020; combined with the rallies, that seems like a plan to aggressively convert rally enthusiasm into actual votes.

Baris has said "he's gotta be on the road campaigning", and I think that's the strategy. I haven't seen any analysis that correlates a personal visit with an increase in the state's numbers, too much keeps happening every damn day to muddy the data. But at least that sentiment seems to reflect Trump's thinking.

If he wins a second election with low ad buys and highly efficient campaigning, he's going to permanently break the conventional wisdom for political campaigns and operations.
 
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Grumpy British pundit Politico does a deskewing of the polls - assuming the error is the same as in 2016, adjusting the polls and seeing what comes out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3ajFks7DeU
https://archive.vn/wip/MCIt9


He gets this

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Compared to the current MSM prediction of this

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Also, John Doyle, who means well but is admittedly somewhat irritating, made a video on a worst-case scenario for a Democrat win.

They pack the SCOTUS so they can reinterpret the First and Second Amendments into nothing and if they get all three branches of government they amnesty illegals which means they Democrats win all future elections.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV6BSmibGAw
https://archive.vn/BgCSb

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I think Jorgensen words a lot of things in order to not alienate potential voters. I checked the COVID-19 part of her site for the first time in months and found it was heavily changed to focus on the healthcare aspect instead of personal freedoms, but if you read carefully it doesn't really contradict anything she said in June and is much more of a "hey if you think COVID is serious, here's how the government obstructed things on the safety side too". Hop on her Twitter and you can see this two-day-old tweet:
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TL;DR: She's trying to appeal to as many people as possible, pretty much her main goal is to increase support of the libertarian party.
 
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FuckedUp said:
I think Jorgensen words a lot of things in order to not alienate potential voters. I checked the COVID-19 part of her site for the first time in months and found it was heavily changed to focus on the healthcare aspect instead of personal freedoms, but if you read carefully it doesn't really contradict anything she said in June and is much more of a "hey if you think COVID is serious, here's how the government obstructed things on the safety side too". Hop on her Twitter and you can see this two-day-old tweet:
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TL;DR: She's trying to appeal to as many people as possible, pretty much her main goal is to increase support of the libertarian party.
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Well she should know flipflopping and lowest common denominator appeasing is exactly how to alienate your base. And from what I heard from the online circus general opinion from now ex-libertarians is under her Libs went from a proud minority party to utter cucks that can barely count as discount democrats.

Had she stuck to her guns she could've dealt a hard blow to the dems and become a real contender for 2nd party on 2024, with this strategy we'll see if the party even survives much less competes.
 
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Harvey Danger said:
If he wins a second election with low ad buys and highly efficient campaigning, he's going to permanently break the conventional wisdom for political campaigns and operations.
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I'm not so sure. The thing that makes Trump's strategy work... is Trump. I don't think you can replicate his success with anyone else.
 
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Gustav Schuchardt said:
Grumpy British pundit Politico does a deskewing of the polls - assuming the error is the same as in 2016, adjusting the polls and seeing what comes out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3ajFks7DeU
https://archive.vn/wip/MCIt9
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He gets this

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Compared to the current MSM prediction of this

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Also, John Doyle, who means well but is admittedly somewhat irritating, made a video on a worst-case scenario for a Democrat win.

They pack the SCOTUS so they can reinterpret the First and Second Amendments into nothing and if they get all three branches of government they amnesty illegals which means they Democrats win all future elections.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV6BSmibGAw
https://archive.vn/BgCSb

Part 1
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Packing the Supreme Court alone will turn America into the first world equivalent of a third world shithole banana republic. And America will turn into third world shithole as income equality skyrocketed under Obama and now with the same assholes back in the white house, they going for a more potent dose.

Also some fun election maps from /pol/.

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