SJW Art and Extremes

[BrokenEntity]

These bitches must be blind if they don't think the pillar men aren't sexualized. Jojo isn't exactly subtle, and last I checked stuff that was just MUH POWER FANTASY didnt have dudes running around in thongs posing in ways that show off their asses and whatnot, or getting super homoerotic with each other and whatnot.

There's also the fact that Jojo has a pretty massive female fan base, which is certainly there for a reason.

I don't think when Araki was designing JoJo's Bizarre Adventures he was aiming for that.
The pillar men's designs are (as far as my sister has told me) based off of the aztecs, so loincloths and such are to be expected. As for the poses, Araki has a good amount of characters do really kinda silly almost impossible poses often.
I dunno, yeah, female fans do get a kick out of the beefy manly men, but that's not what I think JJBA's all about.

I mean, I see where you're coming from.

 

[Hummingbird]

In regards to male characters that dress skimpy, wear leather, or show their chest, would this guy count in some way? One would mention how his lower torso isn't fully covered, with some flesh being shown along with his leggings being similar to the stockings of lingerie. In fact, with male characters that show their chest, I could make a Dragon's Dogma character whose clothing and armor could be considered skimpy. Just get some fine Cassardi clothing and leather belts.

This was the response I got from my post...

Spoiler: the response

ell... I'm not sure about some of your exemples in fact. My impression may be best represented by this :




(Yay, I love Sunstone !)
The character Alan is himself an adept of BDSM, and what I notice is the "JRPG reject" (I would have said "hotty" xD) comment. Maybe I read too much mangas but Sephiroth, Kuja, Seymour (*hides carefully her Seymour figurine*)... And in fact Alan himself in this outfit, are more associated with the bishonen representation than BDSM. I'm not sure I'm very understandable. It's just that for me it's very different from this :

 

[Billpalazzo-sama]

Male villains who are sexy and broadcast it?

Spoiler: The unforgettable example

 

[MiloWuCollusion]

This was the response I got from my post...

Spoiler: the response

ell... I'm not sure about some of your exemples in fact. My impression may be best represented by this :




(Yay, I love Sunstone !)
The character Alan is himself an adept of BDSM, and what I notice is the "JRPG reject" (I would have said "hotty" xD) comment. Maybe I read too much mangas but Sephiroth, Kuja, Seymour (*hides carefully her Seymour figurine*)... And in fact Alan himself in this outfit, are more associated with the bishonen representation than BDSM. I'm not sure I'm very understandable. It's just that for me it's very different from this :

No offense to anyone, but it looks like the guy is crossdressing a JRPG female villian than trying to be sexy. Not even Kuja would wear that.

 

[Hummingbird]

No offense to anyone, but it looks like the guy is crossdressing a JRPG female villian than trying to be sexy. Not even Kuja would wear that.

Given what I know about Sunstone (I left when the art started getting progressively worse), it's meant to be sexy. Since the guy is a designer of BDSM gear.

 

[MiloWuCollusion]

Given what I know about Sunstone (I left when the art started getting progressively worse), it's meant to be sexy. Since the guy is a designer of BDSM gear.

Hmp. I should not be one to judge about that. thanks for the info.

 

[A Random]

JoJo character poses, at least early on, were taken from fashion magazines.

For women.

He was trying to draw very muscular men in sexy poses.

 

[TyrannoNinja]

With regards to the SJW hostility against "sexualized" images of women which inspires so much of their art, I think it's rooted in a widespread misunderstanding of male sexual psychology.

Most men, myself included, who enjoy creating images of sexy women in skimpy clothes don't see ourselves as oppressing women or denying their rights. Our motivation is simple: sexual desire. It's the same reason women's romance novels have shirtless, physically idealized men on them. Nothing else to it other than an emotion that both sexes have inherited from millions of years of evolution.

I sometimes wonder if the activists pushing this anti-"sexualization" crusade might have developed their perspective from the old prejudice that women should be much more bashful and romantic about sex than men. Which, ironically, would represent internalization of a trope that has functioned to stigmatize sexually "loose" women. It's like they've co-opted traditional methods of suppressing female sexuality and turned them into a crusade against its male equivalent. And you have to admit, that is quite a trick.

 

[Rin]

With regards to the SJW hostility against "sexualized" images of women which inspires so much of their art, I think it's rooted in a widespread misunderstanding of male sexual psychology.

Most men, myself included, who enjoy creating images of sexy women in skimpy clothes don't see ourselves as oppressing women or denying their rights. Our motivation is simple: sexual desire. It's the same reason women's romance novels have shirtless, physically idealized men on them. Nothing else to it other than an emotion that both sexes have inherited from millions of years of evolution.

I sometimes wonder if the activists pushing this anti-"sexualization" crusade might have developed their perspective from the old prejudice that women should be much more bashful and romantic about sex than men. Which, ironically, would represent internalization of a trope that has functioned to stigmatize sexually "loose" women. It's like they've co-opted traditional methods of suppressing female sexuality and turned them into a crusade against its male equivalent. And you have to admit, that is quite a trick.

I think a lot of them probably over-identify with the characters in question. A lot of the famous, badass female characters had sexual motives behind their creation; just look at Wonder Woman, the seminal female superheroine who was basically created as a thinly veiled excuse for her maker's bondage fetish. To a woman who looks up to Wonder Woman and wanted to be her as kid, it would be a little disconcerting at least to know that she was intended to be fap material. But instead of accepting that aspect of her, or even stopping at arguing that female characters should have more to them than just sex appeal, they end up arguing against the existence of sex appeal in the first place. Like most lolcows, they just take things too far.

 

[MiloWuCollusion]

But the ironic thing is that "fap material" was able to be succesful (in the intended market in the time) and be some sort of icon beyond, sorry for the SJWism, "lonely nerds"The only thing that could not accomplish as the creator(s) intented was bein some sort of sex positive figure. Grant Morrison (a really good comic writer) has mentioned how of the big three (Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman) she is the most difficult to find "her core". I suspect is less because Morrison doesn't know about fetishism (as if, given he admits Superheroes have a fetish aspect) but because is something uncomfortable but also true with the character even in PG versions as WW is a Amazon embassador to the world of men. The hard part to figure out is how to manage both aspects (fetishism but idealist) without pissing the higher ups and the SJWs.

 

[John Titor]

These bitches must be blind if they don't think the pillar men aren't sexualized. Jojo isn't exactly subtle, and last I checked stuff that was just MUH POWER FANTASY didnt have dudes running around in thongs posing in ways that show off their asses and whatnot, or getting super homoerotic with each other and whatnot.

There's also the fact that Jojo has a pretty massive female fan base, which is certainly there for a reason.

There's a very ancient meme (it goes all the way back to 1986) where a female fan sent a fan letter to Shounen Jump mourning the loss of Straizo. The muscular bishounen who spent his remaining moments literally naked.

 

[Hummingbird]

I think a lot of them probably over-identify with the characters in question. A lot of the famous, badass female characters had sexual motives behind their creation; just look at Wonder Woman, the seminal female superheroine who was basically created as a thinly veiled excuse for her maker's bondage fetish. To a woman who looks up to Wonder Woman and wanted to be her as kid, it would be a little disconcerting at least to know that she was intended to be fap material. But instead of accepting that aspect of her, or even stopping at arguing that female characters should have more to them than just sex appeal, they end up arguing against the existence of sex appeal in the first place. Like most lolcows, they just take things too far.

The creator also had some good intentions because he also wanted to make a superhero for girls to look up to since there really weren't any.

 

[A Random]

I feel this might be excessive, but I was thinking on the Poison edit.

Isn't it implied by their forced redesigning that 'a man who changed genders to be a woman cannot look as beautiful/sexy as one'?

And then I looked at the [current] latest posts on the #GamerGate thread, and how it matters so much that you select 'male/female'... and I'm wondering. Do they want 'trans' characters to look different from normal male/female characters, too?

 

[Hummingbird]

It seems that the new Fire Emblem is on their shit list of problamatic games because how dare three of the females wear skimpy outfits and one has a "phallic symbol" between her breasts. Don't you know good female armor should be breastless and cover everything.

 

[Lucky Wildcard]

It seems that the new Fire Emblem is on their shit list of problamatic games because how dare three of the females wear skimpy outfits and one has a "phallic symbol" between her breasts. Don't you know good female armor should be breastless and cover everything.

I should've posted in this thread earlier, but I thought this video needed to be posted here. It's actually part 3 of a trilogy of videos, but this is most relevant to the topic at hand.

 

[Problematic Kawaii]

It seems that the new Fire Emblem is on their shit list of problamatic games because how dare three of the females wear skimpy outfits and one has a "phallic symbol" between her breasts. Don't you know good female armor should be breastless and cover everything.

"THERE’S LITERALLY A PHALLIC OBJECT STICKING out FROM BETWEEN CAMILLA’S BOOBS!

THERE’S. LITERALLY. A. PHALLIC. OBJECT. STICKING. OUT. FROM BETWEEN. CAMILLA’S. BOOBS."

And they expect to be taken seriously? Also the girl in the dress, Hinoka is the least sexualized.

 

[Cynical]

THERE’S LITERALLY A PHALLIC OBJECT STICKING out FROM BETWEEN CAMILLA’S BOOBS!

THERE’S. LITERALLY. A. PHALLIC. OBJECT. STICKING. OUT. FROM BETWEEN. CAMILLA’S. BOOBS.

And they expect to be taken seriously? Also the girl in the dress is the least sexualized.

Took a look at that picture, what are they getting all bent out of shape over, it just looks like some weird looking cleavage divider? Granted, somewhat offputting design, but nothing worth shitting your pants over.

 

[Alberto Balsalm]

It seems that the new Fire Emblem is on their shit list of problamatic games because how dare three of the females wear skimpy outfits and one has a "phallic symbol" between her breasts. Don't you know good female armor should be breastless and cover everything.

You know, if they had actually played the games before, they'd know that all characters gain new costumes when they change classes which can be more or less revealing than their original designs. There's also plenty of conservatively-dressed women in the last couple games, as well as attractive men with equally unrealistic armor setups. A total breadth of characters that can be likeable and sexy to both men and women.

But no sir ALL sexualized outfits on females are automatically examples of sexism and they must never exist in any context!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Problematic Kawaii]

You know, if they had actually played the games before, they'd know that all characters gain new costumes when they change classes which can be more or less revealing than their original designs. There's also plenty of conservatively-dressed women in the last couple games, as well as attractive men with equally unrealistic armor setups. A total breadth of characters that can be likeable and sexy to both men and women.

But no sir ALL sexualized outfits on females are automatically examples of sexism and they must never exist in any context!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Playing the games? Only gross gamerbro nerds do that.
Also, only 3 or 4 out of all of those characters are showing skin. But that's too many!! And their personalities don't matter because they said so!!

 

[Ho Mo for Women]

This is supposed to be "humanized" art of the animals from Madagascar.