Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[NasserRabadi13]

Just so you all know, artist @VicKingArt and I are signing a contract for our upcoming comic ASYL. Doing contracts from now on with whoever I work with. Thank you all for that advice.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Ethan could be planning a reunion later down the road provided the Vestige brand grows in value. With hermaphroditic frog DNA, grift always finds a way.

Not seeing this, since it would put him athwart the entirety of the Simpdom Menace including (but not limited to) the Geeks & Gamers spergs, World Class Bullshitters, Nerdrotic, probably Clownfish TV and maybe bloggers like Itchybacca. And don't forget his personal Dom DeLuise, Cecil. Who is a full on Anna simp, one quarter of the JACK show, etc. Too much to lose for very little in return.

And perhaps this is naivete on my part, but I do think there's places @FROG won't go/lines he won't cross, whatever the financial upside. Like making fun of somebody's sister who committed suicide, though there was obviously none of that there. (I'll give him a pass on the PocketJacks stuff, even if somebody like Doug Ernst wouldn't.)

 

[FROG]

Last Monday, Donal Delay said he was doing his accounting for BRUTAS THE BAD ASS, to find out what Nasser was owed in their 50/50 deal.

He claimed the accounting was completed, and that Nasser would be paid later that week, and then he seemingly fled to Tennessee, where he claims the wi/fi isn't good enough to successfully transmit a payment to Nasser.

But it works well enough to send me photos of Donal's current lovely rural environment.

I asked him how much Nasser is to receive, and got this answer.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Last Monday, Donal Delay said he was doing his accounting for BRUTAS THE BAD ASS, to find out what Nasser was owed in their 50/50 deal.

He claimed the accounting was completed, and that Nasser would be paid later that week, and then he seemingly fled to Tennessee, where he claims the wi/fi isn't good enough to successfully transmit a payment to Nasser.

But it works well enough to send me photos of Donal's current lovely rural environment.

I asked him how much Nasser is to receive, and got this answer.

 

[Spectre_06]

Last Monday, Donal Delay said he was doing his accounting for BRUTAS THE BAD ASS, to find out what Nasser was owed in their 50/50 deal.

He claimed the accounting was completed, and that Nasser would be paid later that week, and then he seemingly fled to Tennessee, where he claims the wi/fi isn't good enough to successfully transmit a payment to Nasser.

But it works well enough to send me photos of Donal's current lovely rural environment.

I asked him how much Nasser is to receive, and got this answer.

If you ever need proof that @Fathead is an untrustworthy piece of shit, this would be it. I'm so glad Comicsgate courts people like this.

 

[FROG]

Not seeing this, since it would put him athwart the entirety of the Simpdom Menace including (but not limited to) the Geeks & Gamers spergs, World Class Bullshitters, Nerdrotic, probably Clownfish TV and maybe bloggers like Itchybacca. And don't forget his personal Dom DeLuise, Cecil. Who is a full on Anna simp, one quarter of the JACK show, etc. Too much to lose for very little in return.

And perhaps this is naivete on my part, but I do think there's places @FROG won't go/lines he won't cross, whatever the financial upside. Like making fun of somebody's sister who committed suicide, though there was obviously none of that there. (I'll give him a pass on the PocketJacks stuff, even if somebody like Doug Ernst wouldn't.)

I can't help people who aren't helpful to me in some way. And besides, once you've poisoned yourself with my fanbase, there's just no coming back.

It's a damn shame. Some people don't know when they've got a good thing going.

I own CYBERFROG and all characters therein 100%. Harris Comics owned them as long as they published one book every two years. The last issue they published was in 2000. The rights reverted back to me in 2003, uncontested. I considered bringing him to DC Comics thru Wildstorm in 2010, but DC canceled the Wildstorm line suddenly.

Harris Publications closed it's doors in 2016. Dynamite acquired their assets sometime after that. CYBERFROG was not included in that package.

 

[BuckRogers]

I own CYBERFROG and all characters therein 100%. Harris Comics owned them as long as they published one book every two years. The last issue they published was in 2000. The rights reverted back to me in 2003, uncontested. I considered bringing him to DC Comics thru Wildstorm in 2010, but DC canceled the Wildstorm line suddenly.

Harris Publications closed it's doors in 2016. Dynamite acquired their assets sometime after that. CYBERFROG was not included in that package.

Wow... the more you talk about DC, the more I like them less, passing up on CyberFrog... unbelievable

One day I really do hope @FROG brings comics back to glory

Thanks for your time, I am really looking forward for my Ides of March frog book, thank you

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Meyer v. Waid update:

The trial date has been moved up from April 2021.

Jury selection will occur on March 15th, 2021. After that is done, the trial will commence the next business day.

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Link to PDF:

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txwd.971752/gov.uscourts.txwd.971752.61.0.pdf

 

[GoPro]

Perhaps, but as @Smug Freiza pointed out, the trend is very much the friend where Kamen America is concerned, even if it is pretty unlikely a third book (assuming there is one) would grow as much as book 2 did from book 1.

And that also circles back to the bugbear of #Comicsgate or, hell, any crowd funded comic as a good value for the money proposition. Must admit I was certainly wrong about the number of people willing to spend shekels to stick it to the Ess Jay Dubyas to enjoy Kwality Kantent, but I do think $30 or $50 or whatever for a funny book is a self-limiting market at the end of the day, without much in the way of future growth. Meaning a new creator coming to the table is only gonna grow at the expense of those already there. Which I think is kind of what we're seeing, absent the projects with a celebrity tie-in.

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Agree. And disagree. Don't forget that once a PDF (or EPUB or MOBI) is out on the Interwebz somewhere it is pretty much guaranteed to be out on the Interwebz EVERYWHERE. DRM be damned. I guess if you're Zen with not selling much after the initial release of the crowdfund it can work, but if you want storefront sales you either need boy scouts for customers, ignorant boomers who can't find their way to ZLibrary or whatever, or just resign yourself to the fact that you got what you got when you released it and the little bit you get after that is a small bonus.

Media piracy is not as big of a problem as people make it out to be. In fact, there is research indicating that it either does nothing or actually helps sales.

https://pure.uva.nl/ws/files/19092594/2015_Estimating_displacement_rates_of_copyrighted_content_in_the_EU.pdf

Only people who should fear piracy are ones who are reliant on poor distribution models, do not offer fair prices for their products, or sell something of poor quality and want to keep spread of criticism to minimum. Ethan ticks all three boxes. It's yet another thing he has in common with SJWs in the comics industry. If piracy was as big of a threat as they think, manga would never take off in the U.S.. Tim Lim and many other creators sell digital copies and do pretty well for themselves. Some event post their work online for free and still make very good money off of kickstarters for physical editions. In fact, digital copies most likely lead to more sales, and there are many people who do not want to clutter their homes or prefer to have a file they can make infinite backups of.

I suspect that Ethan and many other comicsgate people are most afraid that digital versions will make it easier for some breadtuber or comicsgate opponent to get a hold of a copy and then post a video review, possibly upsetting comicsgate's shaky business model. Just look how Liam reacted after a tiny channel like SWC posted their review of Xenotype.

 

[The Bovinian Derivative]

Only people who should fear piracy are ones who are reliant on a poor distribution models, do not offer fair prices for their products, or sell something of poor quality and want to keep spread of criticism to minimum.

Not sure if relevant but:
"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem" - Lord Gaben

Although he said this about video games, but I think this rings true for everything. If you make something easily accessible people who can afford it will buy it, and those who cannot will sail the high seas anyway.

Most CG things strike me as something for collectors and not for general audiences, hence the lack of digitals and a crapload of added widgets, Zack was the only one I know who tried to churn out small books with small campaigns in a short time with his newer books, and the only reply to this that stuck with me was "I am not going to back a book every month, lol" (cant remember where I read this so the source is Dude, trust me(tm))

Just look how Liam reacted after a tiny channel like SWC posted their review of Xenotype.

I dont think we should take Liam as the norm, the man is completely unhinged. Dannphan did a negative review recently of Pandemic and Zack's response was "well, shit." And if you listen to the SWC review more than half of it is relentlessly shitting on CG instead of talking about the book (you can shit on whatever you want, but don't call it something else), flagging is gay but it's somewhat understandable that Liam got mad.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

THEN I see the REAL gatekeepers of CG in this screen shitting on him... And they all have $300,000 comic books this year... THEN they have the BALLS to start complaining about why there's no new CG books coming up (except a retarded cat one)

During covid people don't have the money (if they didn't used their stimulus/unemployment right and blown it all off bullshit on the first week) on 10,000 indie books (the average cg sycopiggy will buy every cg book in the highest tiers) with a 5% of fulfillment and shipping is going to be a bitch to deal with. Books from Ethan and Zack will have top priority during a covid/recession if it came down to who will a average paypiggy will support. Some books are still in funding/processing.

So most of cg who didn't put anything out had faced the reality that during economic uncertainty they won't make shit outside the big two (zack and evs. Not a alog on Ethan but lets be real, what is a cg paypig going to buy, CyberFrog or one of the laim gray types who overblown their budget or don't know what they are going or they still funding a book that was announced months ago but put in developmental Hell until shipping restrictions are lifted. Has fragga's book been shipped or it's in covid purgatory?

 

[BuckRogers]

During covid people don't have the money (if they didn't used their stimulus/unemployment right and blown it all off bullshit on the first week) on 10,000 indie books (the average cg sycopiggy will buy every cg book in the highest tiers) with a 5% of fulfillment and shipping is going to be a bitch to deal with. Books from Ethan and Zack will have top priority during a covid/recession if it came down to who will a average paypiggy will support. Some books are still in funding/processing.

So most of cg who didn't put anything out had faced the reality that during economic uncertainty they won't make shit outside the big two (zack and evs. Not a alog on Ethan but lets be real, what is a cg payoig going to buy, CyberFrog or one of the laim gray types who overblown their budget of don't know what they are going or t)hey still funding a book that was announced months ago but put in developmental Hell until shipping restrictions are lifted. Has fragga's book been shipped or it's in covid purgatory?

You are right.

IF CG wants to win the 'WAR' they need to find a way to give at least give opportunities for young artist to succeed (maybe NASSER? / CG JUMPSTART? / ???)

If I was in the position of some of these "OLD PRO's", I would have at least one "PADAWAN" (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Padawan), you might find the next obi wan

@FROG I joined your channel and will be waving the WC flag openly, WC might of left you, but I don't leave people who make me laugh so easy

I gotta catch the short bus, HAVE A NICE DAY!

 

[Smug Freiza]

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THEN I see the REAL gatekeepers of CG in this screen shitting on him... And they all have $300,000 comic books this year... THEN they have the BALLS to start complaining about why there's no new CG books coming up (except a retarded cat one)

The only creator who broke 300K in that screenshot is Ethan on Rekt Planet and Warts and All. Cecil sits around 230K, Malin got 265K, Fraga 190K and Shane Davis's Mighty Morphin Power Ranger Cats hasn't broke 50K yet.

Sorry, I forgot to take my retard pills this morning, I gotta go to school on the short bus, HAVE A NICE DAY!

Some posters in this thread previously speculated that you were Panboy, but I don't even think Pan is this retarded.

During covid people don't have the money (if they didn't used their stimulus/unemployment right and blown it all off bullshit on the first week) on 10,000 indie books (the average cg sycopiggy will buy every cg book in the highest tiers) with a 5% of fulfillment and shipping is going to be a bitch to deal with. Books from Ethan and Zack will have top priority during a covid/recession if it came down to who will a average paypiggy will support. Some books are still in funding/processing.

So most of cg who didn't put anything out had faced the reality that during economic uncertainty they won't make shit outside the big two (zack and evs. Not a alog on Ethan but lets be real, what is a cg paypig going to buy, CyberFrog or one of the laim gray types who overblown their budget or don't know what they are going or they still funding a book that was announced months ago but put in developmental Hell until shipping restrictions are lifted. Has fragga's book been shipped or it's in covid purgatory?

COVID could be hampering backer's wallets on the smaller CG projects but Graveyard Shift 3 and Rekt Planet experienced growth during this time. I think with Sean Gordon Murphy, Scott Snyder and Boom/Keanu Reeves entering the crowdfunding game a lot of the smaller CG creators are going to get boned. Especially if they are charging $25, the same price as industry veterans.

As for Black Flag it's listed as shipping in January 2021.

I gotta catch the short bus, HAVE A NICE DAY!

You've been waiting for that bus for the past two days, do us all a favor and throw yourself in front of it?

 

[FROG]

The only creator who broke 300K in that screenshot is Ethan on Rekt Planet and Warts and All. Cecil sits around 230K, Malin got 265K, Fraga 190K and Shane Davis's Mighty Morphin Power Ranger Cats hasn't broke 50K yet.

COVID could be hampering backer's wallets on the smaller CG projects but Graveyard Shift 3 and Rekt Planet experienced growth during this time. I think with Sean Gordon Murphy, Scott Snyder and Boom/Keanu Reeves entering the crowdfunding game a lot of the smaller CG creators are going to get boned. Especially if they are charging $25, the same price as industry veterans.

As for Black Flag it's listed as shipping in January 2021.

During 2018, I used to brag that any small campaign ComicsGate promoted would get $25,000. Now it's more like $35K for newbies, and you're seeing consistent growth with those same $25K creators who stuck with it. Clint Stoker just hit $83,000 on his third project, and I think he'll hit six figures on his fourth.

That's a big deal, considering the fact that industry pros like Mike S Miller and Jon Malin's initial outings just barely broke six figures.

Top creators are now comfortably deep in the $200Ks. That's basically the state of things. If you come over from Marvel or DC and your campaign is a rocket, you'll land in the $200Ks, and that's where our
biggest creators are too. It'll grow, as more people discover IGG and KS are another new way to buy comics.

If you look at this chart (it's slightly outdated, but just slightly) you'll see a huge gulf between big projects and the absurdly successful ones, like JawBreakers: Lost Souls, Earthworm Jim, Icarus and the Sun and CyberFrog. Nobody is landing in the $300's. I think next year you'll see Jon Malin, possibly Dan Fraga, and Cecil (if his project fulfills properly) get there, and more and more creators winning six figure campaigns.

I don't believe that more crowdfunders is going to crowd out smaller creators. I think it'll help them. But time will tell.

 

[jspit2.0]

During 2018, I used to brag that any small campaign ComicsGate promoted would get $25,000. Now it's more like $35K for newbies, and you're seeing consistent growth with those same $25K creators who stuck with it. Clint Stoker just hit $83,000 on his third project, and I think he'll hit six figures on his fourth.

Have you convinced him we aren't SWC's lackeys yet?

Some posters in this thread previously speculated that you were Panboy, but I don't even think Pan is this retarded.

With WC, the exceptionalism has always been generously spread.

COVID could be hampering backer's wallets on the smaller CG projects but Graveyard Shift 3 and Rekt Planet experienced growth during this time. I think with Sean Gordon Murphy, Scott Snyder and Boom/Keanu Reeves entering the crowdfunding game a lot of the smaller CG creators are going to get boned. Especially if they are charging $25, the same price as industry veterans.

Truth.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

Thank you everyone for making Flying Sparks a $100K property! I'm super honored that folk continue to be here to read the comics. It's gonna get even bigger as word of mouth spreads! Look forward to bringing you more of the best superhero comics in the business as we're getting ready to fulfill our latest crowdfund for volume 4.

Excelsior!

JDA

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

COVID could be hampering backer's wallets on the smaller CG projects but Graveyard Shift 3 and Rekt Planet experienced growth during this time. I think with Sean Gordon Murphy, Scott Snyder and Boom/Keanu Reeves entering the crowdfunding game a lot of the smaller CG creators are going to get boned. Especially if they are charging $25, the same price as industry veterans.

Jon made money since he's in the upper card outside of the main event (Zack and Ethan) and Ethan is Ethan, of course The fans will prioritize him. The pros/celebs joining the crowdfunding game has probably hurt cg's lowest hanging fruit like the liam's/micah's.

 

[Carmina Burana]

What's wrong with the comic book industry? Well...


A who's who of who cares. I'm glad internet lawyer Jamal Igle is there to lend the whole thing gravitas...

In kinda related news, Jon of the Rice & Pegston Poulter had a tard fight on twitter. I'm calling it for Peggy, who makes the case that Brett R Smith, who is immeasurably more talented & successful than Jon of the Rice, doesn't whine about being blacklisted like Senor of the Rice does.

Spoiler: FAGGOT FIGHT

Jon of the Rice cannot accept that no one of any taste or discernment wants the shit he's churning out. Such a whiny, no-talent bitch.

But please keep it up. We appreciate the lulz

 

[Twinkletard]

During 2018, I used to brag that any small campaign ComicsGate promoted would get $25,000. Now it's more like $35K for newbies, and you're seeing consistent growth with those same $25K creators who stuck with it. Clint Stoker just hit $83,000 on his third project, and I think he'll hit six figures on his fourth.

That's a big deal, considering the fact that industry pros like Mike S Miller and Jon Malin's initial outings just barely broke six figures.

Top creators are now comfortably deep in the $200Ks. That's basically the state of things. If you come over from Marvel or DC and your campaign is a rocket, you'll land in the $200Ks, and that's where our
biggest creators are too. It'll grow, as more people discover IGG and KS are another new way to buy comics.

If you look at this chart (it's slightly outdated, but just slightly) you'll see a huge gulf between big projects and the absurdly successful ones, like JawBreakers: Lost Souls, Earthworm Jim, Icarus and the Sun and CyberFrog. Nobody is landing in the $300's. I think next year you'll see Jon Malin, possibly Dan Fraga, and Cecil (if his project fulfills properly) get there, and more and more creators winning six figure campaigns.

I don't believe that more crowdfunders is going to crowd out smaller creators. I think it'll help them. But time will tell.

Audience engagement is a big factor. Malin, Fraga, and Davis are very engaged from what I've been seeing. I really like watching all three when they put out content. Fraga's drawing streams are nice to have going on in the background for me when I'm working.

 

[FROG]

Audience engagement is a big factor. Malin, Fraga, and Davis are very engaged from what I've been seeing. I really like watching all three when they put out content. Fraga's drawing streams are nice to have going on in the background for me when I'm working.

All three of those guys put on a show. They're funny, have internet personas, and they can draw. That's how it's done!

Yeah, Chuck Dixon being on that book had nothing to with those numbers. ComicsGate and livestreaming has done nothing to promote that book since 2018 and it's still in print. Matter of fact, I could get it on Amazon today.

BTW, Kamen America 2 in on track to surpass that number without you or constant livestreaming.

DERAILED! Good predictions, Vikki.