2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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All right, I've cranked out an election map which shows how Biden will utterly dominate Drumph once and for all... I'm hoping to be Nate Silver's personal understudy...

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Biden does have that Dixiecrat feel to him, so this checks out.

If Trump gets muted theres no guarantee anyone would hear him call anyone anything.

I brought this up earlier but he could also do something visual, like point out the exact location of Biden's earpiece, creating an awkward moment of moderator damage control.

Also Crowder had some good reasoning why it's not even worth bringing up Hunter Biden at the debate, it just can't be explained clearly and quickly enough and even the facts sound crazy, wouldn't play well. Broadcasting Biden's own gun control and gun grabbing policies would probably actually work better, considering how unpopular gun control is now even on the left.

On national security, pro-Biden Iran interference just flopped onto the table yesterday as an official FBI announcement, Trump can just slap Biden around with it, maybe tie in the "inshallah" Biden randomly blurted out in the first debate. Biden would have a hard time spinning it as pro-Trump because it's Iran.
Wait hold the phone did Biden really say inshallah
 
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I fully agree, I'm very worried about the debate and that pains me to say, I think it's going to be very bad for Trump. I've watched his rallies and his recent interviews and while it does deliver some nice soundbites to laugh at, he's not very convincing. He just keeps hammering his same (personally created) talking points and he needs to stop saying "numbers like you've never seen before". He needs to acknowledge the dire economic situation for many Americans. He keeps saying 11 million jobs created over the past months, but we lost about 17 million right? Also new unemployment claims are still abysmal. He needs stop pretending this isn't real and acknowledge it and but the blame properly where it belong, with China. He tries to do that to a certain extent but it's comes over as denying the reality. There are probably people telling him this but either he doesn't listen or he think he's smarter and think it's convincing. His base might eat it up, but he won't win any undecided voters by ignoring obvious facts. It's really infuriating to watch he can't agree with these economic facts.

He's very hit or miss in interviews, he keeps sticking to weak talking points, but then suddenly he comes out of nowhere with a quick answer indicating he really knows what's going on and this often covers the same topic. I don't get it.
It's a shitty talking style that he has. He's more of show, don't tell guy, I feel. But when he has to speak up for himself against hostile and domestic media. it backfires as implications of what is yet to come does not beat the now. Thankfully, the MSM and Dems are drunk on TDS, so "muh 200,000" and other scandals, like the Chinese bank account, are brought up over hard hitting issues.

Baris and Barnes say that Trade, War, and the Corruption are the three main points he should focus on tonight above all else. Barnes himself is predicting that Trump will be fine. And while I do agree that Trump needs to be more communicative to the people, I never doompost and brace for the worse. Trump will be fine and Biden will do well enough.
 
Also Crowder had some good reasoning why it's not even worth bringing up Hunter Biden at the debate, it just can't be explained clearly and quickly enough and even the facts sound crazy, wouldn't play well. Broadcasting Biden's own gun control and gun grabbing policies would probably actually work better, considering how unpopular gun control is now even on the left.

He doesn't need to explain the whole thing, he just needs to throw the accusation out there in the middle of a foreign policy argument.

"Oh come on Joe, you won't get anything done, not without someone in your family getting a bribe."
"Joe, the whole world knows you're for sale. China, Ukraine, Iran, they just drop some money to Hunter and you let them get away with everything!"
"Joe, you're a sellout, and we've got the paper trail thanks to your screw-up son."

I agree that gun control should be advertised loudly, but I don't know how he works gun control into a debate he's already going to struggle to keep on foreign policy. Ideally, that issue would lead the few ads he's buying right now, but I've seen more Trump ads about Barrett and Biden's gaffes than about actual policy issues.

Incidentally, Barnes did a good breakdown of the laptop issues on Viva Frei's show, connecting a lot of dots and giving the history of the Bidens that is left out of the media narrative.. Most notably, he said he's had personal experience where a client had people strongly hint that a bribe to the Biden family would help a case go away.

 
I fully agree, I'm very worried about the debate and that pains me to say, I think it's going to be very bad for Trump. I've watched his rallies and his recent interviews and while it does deliver some nice soundbites to laugh at, he's not very convincing. He just keeps hammering his same (personally created) talking points and he needs to stop saying "numbers like you've never seen before". He needs to acknowledge the dire economic situation for many Americans. He keeps saying 11 million jobs created over the past months, but we lost about 17 million right? Also new unemployment claims are still abysmal. He needs stop pretending this isn't real and acknowledge it and but the blame properly where it belong, with China. He tries to do that to a certain extent but it's comes over as denying the reality. There are probably people telling him this but either he doesn't listen or he think he's smarter and think it's convincing. His base might eat it up, but he won't win any undecided voters by ignoring obvious facts. It's really infuriating to watch he can't agree with these economic facts.

He's very hit or miss in interviews, he keeps sticking to weak talking points, but then suddenly he comes out of nowhere with a quick answer indicating he really knows what's going on and this often covers the same topic. I don't get it.
You bring up a good point right here. Kind of shows a form of diametrical opposites in terms of being a politician and a businessman.

From what I've analyzed from his rallies and shit, Trump is focused on delivering a good pitch because he thinks that by showing what he has done well, he can tie over his crowd and then posing hypotheticals for how he thinks they will do in the future. Usually, although exaggeration, these pitches are true. This isn't the same case in an interview or a debate whereas in the position of being a politician the media expects you to give direct answers rather than in comparison to a hypothetical using established information. The problem with Trump's debate style is that usually, he'll give an answer, but he also has to tie it around with his rally-style repeating the same shit of saying "We're doing the best at this or that or this" and inbetween he'll have the answer intertwined with that rather than a direct answer. Now the advantage behind this is that he's quick through saying this, but it would be more beneficial to him to just say a direct answer than a round of self-fellation, then answer, then self-fellation. He has a difficult time separating that, but when he can give a direct answer, like throughout most of the Town Hall aside from the economy question that occurred at the beginning, he's pretty good.

Or maybe I'm reading too much into this, I dunno.
 
Also Crowder had some good reasoning why it's not even worth bringing up Hunter Biden at the debate, it just can't be explained clearly and quickly enough and even the facts sound crazy, wouldn't play well. Broadcasting Biden's own gun control and gun grabbing policies would probably actually work better, considering how unpopular gun control is now even on the left.

If I were Trump I'd go for Supreme Court packing and compulsory gun buybacks. Both of those are things Biden wants to do and are viciously unpopular with the electorate.

In fact, you could imagine a well-organized Republican campaign would have had focus groups in swing states to work out a list of issues where Biden's position is unpopular and hit at those. I think that's asking too much from the GOP though.

He doesn't need to explain the whole thing, he just needs to throw the accusation out there in the middle of a foreign policy argument.

"Oh come on Joe, you won't get anything done, not without someone in your family getting a bribe."
"Joe, the whole world knows you're for sale. China, Ukraine, Iran, they just drop some money to Hunter and you let them get away with everything!"
"Joe, you're a sellout, and we've got the paper trail thanks to your screw-up son."

I agree that gun control should be advertised loudly, but I don't know how he works gun control into a debate he's already going to struggle to keep on foreign policy. Ideally, that issue would lead the few ads he's buying right now, but I've seen more Trump ads about Barrett and Biden's gaffes than about actual policy issues.

Incidentally, Barnes did a good breakdown of the laptop issues on Viva Frei's show, connecting a lot of dots and giving the history of the Bidens that is left out of the media narrative.. Most notably, he said he's had personal experience where a client had people strongly hint that a bribe to the Biden family would help a case go away.


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You bring up a good point right here. Kind of shows a form of diametrical opposites in terms of being a politician and a businessman.

From what I've analyzed from his rallies and shit, Trump is focused on delivering a good pitch because he thinks that by showing what he has done well, he can tie over his crowd and then posing hypotheticals for how he thinks they will do in the future. Usually, although exaggeration, these pitches are true. This isn't the same case in an interview or a debate whereas in the position of being a politician the media expects you to give direct answers rather than in comparison to a hypothetical using established information. The problem with Trump's debate style is that usually, he'll give an answer, but he also has to tie it around with his rally-style repeating the same shit of saying "We're doing the best at this or that or this" and inbetween he'll have the answer intertwined with that rather than a direct answer. Now the advantage behind this is that he's quick through saying this, but it would be more beneficial to him to just say a direct answer than a round of self-fellation, then answer, then self-fellation. He has a difficult time separating that, but when he can give a direct answer, like throughout most of the Town Hall aside from the economy question that occurred at the beginning, he's pretty good.

Or maybe I'm reading too much into this, I dunno.
I think Trump could be capable of giving good answers like in the Town Hall last week and the second presidential debate in 2016 he had a good game there, but the issue is both of those had voters asking questions rather than mods who want to help the opponent out.
 
If I were Trump I'd go for Supreme Court packing and compulsory gun buybacks. Both of those are things Biden wants to do and are viciously unpopular with the electorate.

In fact, you could imagine a well-organized Republican campaign would have had focus groups in swing states to work out a list of issues where Biden's position is unpopular and hit at those. I think that's asking too much from the GOP though.



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I'd definitely suggest bringing up court packing and how Biden didn't clarify his position on it. I doubt he'll give any kind of clear answer on it, but it could work against him.
 
I think Trump could be capable of giving good answers like in the Town Hall last week and the second presidential debate in 2016 he had a good game there, but the issue is both of those had voters asking questions rather than mods who want to help the opponent out.
I don't really think "moderator's bias" (I don't really think Wallace and the other chick showed much of it compared to Guthrie) plays into the way Trump delivers answers within the debate stage.

I guess this just means that Trump is better at talking to people than he is at talking to the establishment media and politicians and engaging in the traditional debate which again shows the diametrically opposed opposites of being a businessman compared to a politician. I guess you can consider that strength in his book compared to a weakness that shows in "traditional presidential debate", though if it was a truly traditional debate, both candidates would script their answers and shit and they would be allowed at least 5 minutes to speak equally at a time and a few minutes to rebut each of their statements.
 
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That makes sense. Basically, America at the time wasn't quite woke yet, so they needed an old white man to make the first black president seem appealing to the aging population. If Obama picked someone from a different group to be his VP...(e.g. a woman, another black, a Mexican, a gay, a troon, a talking dog, etc.) the rest of old, white America wouldn't be quite ready for that yet. They basically needed yet another old white straight man to say to more or less say to the senior voters, "See, see! Biden is just like McCain!", thus ensuring the Obama/Biden ticket would be woke enough for the regular libs, but not-entirely-too-woke for the rest of undecided voters. Biden was just a token white dude.
I'm not convinced Obama was that unappealing to the unwoke, at least not on account of his race. It's fucking Salon, but it's 12 years old and an interesting read. Search for "nigger". https://archive.md/PooUp

Trump has more volunteers than Obama.
This is amazing. Do you have a source, ideally one I can rub in TDSers faces?
 
I fully agree, I'm very worried about the debate and that pains me to say, I think it's going to be very bad for Trump. I've watched his rallies and his recent interviews and while it does deliver some nice soundbites to laugh at, he's not very convincing. He just keeps hammering his same (personally created) talking points and he needs to stop saying "numbers like you've never seen before". He needs to acknowledge the dire economic situation for many Americans. He keeps saying 11 million jobs created over the past months, but we lost about 17 million right? Also new unemployment claims are still abysmal. He needs stop pretending this isn't real and acknowledge it and but the blame properly where it belong, with China. He tries to do that to a certain extent but it's comes over as denying the reality. There are probably people telling him this but either he doesn't listen or he think he's smarter and think it's convincing. His base might eat it up, but he won't win any undecided voters by ignoring obvious facts. It's really infuriating to watch he can't agree with these economic facts.

He's very hit or miss in interviews, he keeps sticking to weak talking points, but then suddenly he comes out of nowhere with a quick answer indicating he really knows what's going on and this often covers the same topic. I don't get it.
While I think the optimism is good, I think Trump needs to sell it more as "Things were pretty great before COVID. I can help us get back to normal again." Which, actually, he tried to do in the 60 Minute interview, but the bitch of an interviewer just wasn't having it. "The interview wasn't in good faith" is actually Trump putting it mildly when describing that shitshow.

I'm nervous about this debate purely because it's Biden and the media calling the shots tonight. Hopefully it won't play out that way.
 
I fully agree, I'm very worried about the debate and that pains me to say, I think it's going to be very bad for Trump. I've watched his rallies and his recent interviews and while it does deliver some nice soundbites to laugh at, he's not very convincing. He just keeps hammering his same (personally created) talking points and he needs to stop saying "numbers like you've never seen before". He needs to acknowledge the dire economic situation for many Americans. He keeps saying 11 million jobs created over the past months, but we lost about 17 million right? Also new unemployment claims are still abysmal. He needs stop pretending this isn't real and acknowledge it and but the blame properly where it belong, with China. He tries to do that to a certain extent but it's comes over as denying the reality. There are probably people telling him this but either he doesn't listen or he think he's smarter and think it's convincing. His base might eat it up, but he won't win any undecided voters by ignoring obvious facts. It's really infuriating to watch he can't agree with these economic facts.

He's very hit or miss in interviews, he keeps sticking to weak talking points, but then suddenly he comes out of nowhere with a quick answer indicating he really knows what's going on and this often covers the same topic. I don't get it.
What Trump should do is just talk pure Patriotism. Act like he's Hulk Hogan promoting a fight against the Iron Shiekh. Paint Biden as crooked Un-American crony whose interests are purely in lining his own pocket which includes allowing Communist China to usurp America's economic power. If the moderator brings up White Nationalists again quickly condemn them and then seque into arguing that Biden and the crooked media wants to use the isolated exceptions of a few assholes to condemn the nation as a whole. Bring up how stupid Biden's "Shoot em in the legs" nonsense all is.

I hate Frank Luntz but he is right that Trump should not make Hunter Biden a main focus. Just briefly mention it here and there and then focus on the issues that matter, economy & law & order.
 
This is a fun little demographic map building toy. I think it’s how Nate Potate did his blue Georgia map - just made black people blue and jacked them up.


Mine:
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A lot of people in this thread don't seem to have caught on that this is a base turnout election. There is no one who hasn't already made up their mind. Literally no one. There are no Biden/independent voters that can be convinced to switch to Trump. There are only Biden/independent voters than can be demoralized into staying home.

That's the only question that's relevant. Not "Who will I vote for? ", but rather "Will I vote at all?" If Trump can dirty Biden up by showing he is in fact dirty, those voters will be outraged, but they're still not voting for Trump. They won't vote for either. But that's alright. That's just as well.

The center has collapsed. There are no swing voters this election.
 
Here's the Blaze TV documentary that Barnes mentioned

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A Biden victory may not be fatal to the US, but it probably would be to Taiwan.
Barnes, from hearing him on various shows, is probably one of the smartest people in the country when it comes to almost every non-STEM related topic. Maybe the most prevelent contemporary examples of a "Renaissance" man I can recall. Win or lose, he's probably a guy I'll still listen to when I'm doing chores or something, maybe for sports or other current events.

The only thing going against him is that he is a textbook boomer.
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What Trump should do is just talk pure Patriotism. Act like he's Hulk Hogan promoting a fight against the Iron Shiekh. Paint Biden as crooked Un-American crony whose interests are purely in lining his own pocket which includes allowing Communist China to usurp America's economic power. If the moderator brings up White Nationalists again quickly condemn them and then seque into arguing that Biden and the crooked media wants to use the isolated exceptions of a few assholes to condemn the nation as a whole. Bring up how stupid Biden's "Shoot em in the legs" nonsense all is.

I hate Frank Luntz but he is right that Trump should not make Hunter Biden a main focus. Just briefly mention it here and there and then focus on the issues that matter, economy & law & order.
Too bad Biden won't go full sheik and say how he will break Trump over his knee then fuck him in the ass.

I mean I'd still vote Trump but it would be more fun.
 
A lot of people in this thread don't seem to have caught on that this is a base turnout election. There is no one who hasn't already made up their mind. Literally no one. There are no Biden/independent voters that can be convinced to switch to Trump. There are only Biden/independent voters than can be demoralized into staying home.

That's the only question that's relevant. Not "Who will I vote for? ", but rather "Will I vote at all?" If Trump can dirty Biden up by showing he is in fact dirty, those voters will be outraged, but they're still not voting for Trump. They won't vote for either. But that's alright. That's just as well.

The center has collapsed. There are no swing voters this election.
And haven't like 50 million people voted already? That's getting close to how many popular votes Trump won last time (~68 million). High turnout tends to favor Dems, unless Trump gets a Reagan '84 level blowout.
 
Might as well have just flipped Colorado and Minnesota. Aand fuck it, Maine in full too.
You can only do it via the demographic sliders. If you pump up the white / uneducated vote (why are only whites divided like this?) you quickly get into landslide territory.

PL: I’m mixed but mostly Asian and have a pretty okay income, IMO. But I have a high school diploma so I‘m a mouth breathing chud
 
"We're not gonna take your guns, we're just gonna heap heavy legal burdens on you for owning your own property after the fact and arrest you if you don't comply!"

I wouldn't be so resentful of liberals if they didn't lie so compulsively.

And boating accident memes are funny and all, but if it's time bury your guns, then it's time to use them.
Yeah and what Im seeing in this thread we have enough suspicion for a possible revolt.
 
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