2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Overly Serious said:
"Could?" They already did.
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So anyway, I didn't stay up to watch the debate and in all honesty was a little afraid to - I was worried what a partisan moderator, the ability to mute people and Trump's more Trumpian tendencies might lead to. Basically, the closer we get to the election the more I (who wants Trump to win by a big margin) feel on edge about some sudden disaster. But skimming the posts here it sounds like Trump did fine and Biden dropped a few clangers? Is that right?
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Oh yeah, Trump did great.
 
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I think Trump was more calm and relaxed this time. The 2nd debate is ultimately going to have a good outcome for Trump. Biden's corruption involving his son was mentioned, Biden dug his grave by talking too much in regards to the major issues with no clear plan. and offered no substantial deflection of accusations. Threatening to completely kill the oil industry will be the nail in the coffin.
 
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EmuWarsVeteran said:
Oh yes. Oh yes that's right. Trump trumped it a bit but he delivered many, many quotes. And Biden? Well he also delivered many quotes but not the good kind. I'm still laughing at the "I don't see red and blue. Also you know who sucks? The reds!" (Paraphrased) moment. Just, gold jerry, gold!
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My favorite is him fucking up trying to mock Trump by calling him Abraham Lincoln and just sounding like he was calling Abe Lincoln a racist. No surprise the media right now is coping hard thinking it was a great zinger and trying to pretend Drumpf didn't get his brilliant joke.
 
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Liberals don't know what a coyote is and get angry on behalf of Mexicans:
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Overly Serious said:
So anyway, I didn't stay up to watch the debate and in all honesty was a little afraid to - I was worried what a partisan moderator, the ability to mute people and Trump's more Trumpian tendencies might lead to. Basically, the closer we get to the election the more I (who wants Trump to win by a big margin) feel on edge about some sudden disaster. But skimming the posts here it sounds like Trump did fine and Biden dropped a few clangers? Is that right?
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Trump did great tonight. Calm, cool, collected, and beaming with optimism. I fully believe that he was coached and was told to take the "Mike Pence" approach ... Trump still got a couple of great zingers in, though.

And Biden pretty much lied the entire time, deflected, fear-mongered, and dropped a few doozies that should absolutely kill his election prospects. With every question he had, he answered with "Trump has no plan; I have a plan!" while simultaneously not divulging what his plans actually are.

Biden literally said near the end of the debate that he ultimately plans to get rid of the oil and gas industry. lol. Good-bye, Rust Belt.
 
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One guy wants to shut down the primary industry of the state and give up all the blue-collar workers to meth addictions.
The other guy sees that industry as essential and necessary for energy independence.
How is this even close??
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Two reasons: Voter fraud and the city of Philadelphia
 
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What constitutes typical moderates, weather they are Republicans, Independents, or Democrats (if they even exist anymore lulz) do not really care for excess emotional theatrics. Biden played this appeal to helicopter soccer moms, dindus, and liberal college graduates. The left has lost the blue-collar voters, who have benefited from Trump. Many labor union members will vote Trump in the midwest, even if their union is corrupted enough to endorse Biden, it won't change their individuals votes.

The demographic the dems has targeted is not who matters most in swing states. People aren't going to forget that it was the dems who encouraged rioting and looting in cities. Watch for a spike in Trump votes in urban areas and black voters, even if it isn't enough to feasibly shift the county they are in. It's going to be a process, but pretty soon the Dems are going to pay in collapse due to lack of appeal. The Dems have rejected reform of their platform multiple times already, and the large amount of candidates in the Democrat primary being yes-men only shows that, when somehow Biden won the nomination. People haven't forgotten the stimulus checks Trump authorized or the draconian restrictions Dems mandated at the local and state levels.
 
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ditto said:
Feels like coordinated gaslighting. Am I crazy because I've heard of coyotes before and I've never watched any Netflix shows about it.

Faced with a debate loss and no fly I guess this is what's left.
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I watched a two part episode of Walker Texas Ranger in the mid 90s where Walker went undercover as a illegal immigrant crossing the border into the US. The immigrants almost died when ICE showed up and they abandoned the truck with no circulation so they almost suffocated. The coyote then took them to a ranch after crossing the border and they were told that they each owed like $20K and could only work it off in the ranch at $1/hr working 15 hour days and they still had to pay the ranch room and board too. The young women were sold into what was implied bordellos. Walker eventually got sold to a new boss where they made them fight to the death for sport.

That one two parter of a fictional show taught me more about illegal immigration than a lot of these adult liberals seem to know. That's terrifying.
 
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What constitutes typical moderates, weather they are Republicans, Independents, or Democrats (if they even exist anymore lulz) do not really care for excess emotional theatrics. Biden played this appeal to helicopter soccer moms, dindus, and liberal college graduates. The left has lost the blue-collar voters, who have benefited from Trump. Many labor union members will vote Trump in the midwest, even if their union is corrupted enough to endorse Biden, it won't change their individuals votes.

The demographic the dems has targeted is not who matters most in swing states. People aren't going to forget that it was the dems who encouraged rioting and looting in cities. Watch for a spike in Trump votes in urban areas and black voters, even if it isn't enough to feasibly shift the county they are in. It's going to be a process, but pretty soon the Dems are going to pay in collapse due to lack of appeal. The Dems have rejected reform of their platform multiple times already, and the large amount of candidates in the Democrat primary being yes-men only shows that, when somehow Biden won the nomination. People haven't forgotten the stimulus checks Trump authorized or the draconian restrictions Dems mandated at the local and state levels.
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The Democrats greatest strength is also their greatest weakness, they suffer a gigantic feedback loop because media constantly kisses their ass and the more far left you are the more you're loved on the internet. They're deluded into thinking that loonies like AOC represent the future of the party.

Biden made the worst possible choice for VP with Kamala. It's just a fact that she's so wildly unlikable that she hardly picked up any support when trying to run as President. But if you listen to the media and the left she's some magical female equivalent to Obama.

I've said it once and I'll say it again. If Biden had run while copy pasting Obama's 2008/2012 platform I'd have no doubt that Trump would lose. But no he took the Woke Pill.

Trump saved the Republican party by excising the Neocons. Neocons were a poison that Post-Bush would never hold the White House again. If Democrats can't get their heads out of their asses they're in for more rude awakenings.
 
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KSTP/Survey USA released a Minnesota presidential poll late yesterday. Trump is down by 6 with 6% undecided and a 5 point margin of error. He has gained with suburban and female voters, much like Jason Lewis in the US Senate race. In 2016, Clinton was ahead by 10 and only won the state by 1.5%.

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From Survey USA:
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Aidan said:
Yes but we don't talk about it because a lot of people around the world were pretty cool with Hitler until he got a bit carried away with the land grabs. They don't teach that because the narrative quickly became "Hitler was really evil and murderous and for no reason at all he took a lot of land and then for no reason at all he rounded up a bunch of people and then for no reason at all he tried to conquer most of Europe and then for no reason at all..."
tl;dr hitler evil and that's all you need to know
You can find old newspaper clips from before WW2 where it was basically like "Man this Hitler guy is really busy trying to bring Germany back up to world power status".
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This is an incredibly disingenuous view of what happened.

Left and right in politics were very different back then. In those days, working class people were mostly part of left wing union movements, and the upper middle classes supported the right. This was even true in Germany, where industrial workers made up a significant part of the opposition to Hitler, while old aristocrats and generals like Hindenburg and Ludendorff supported Hitler's rise to power. In the USA, FDR was winning one major electoral victory after another with left wing populism.

You're absolutely right that some people supported Hitler, but those were mostly rich people like Charles Lindbergh and the Daily Mail newspaper. These are the exact same demographics of people who make up the ranks of CNN and the Lincoln Project nowadays. Ordinary people like us gain literally nothing by supporting megalomaniac fascists, then or now. I wouldn't compare the political situations because the voter demographics have changed so much. Nowadays Trump is trying to appeal to workers by keeping major industries open while Biden is foolishly trying to shut them all down and ruin millions of people's careers. It wasn't like that in the 1930s.
 
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Rasmussen just came out with a crazy looking Voter Approval Poll:
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Approval of Trump up TWENTY POINTS in a week? Personally I believe a lot of Black Voters have not voted early. Why, well it's anecdotal evidence but I personally tossed my absentee ballot aside because it felt like it would take more than 10 minutes to fill it out and I don't want to go to the Post Office. I'm thinking a lot of Brothas feel the same. What if after this debate a decent percentage of Black Voters looked into the Clinton Crime Bill aka The Biden Crime Bill and got pissed off over how it objectively did target the African American community?

Now I am stereotyping here but you know what Blacks more or less don't like? Weakness. Biden was weak when he defended himself, for crying out loud his defense for not having any substantial prison reform was that Congress was run by Republicans during the Obama years. Which is a total lie since Democrats held both branches of congress for years which is how they passed Obamacare. Trump was insanely boisterous to claim that he's done the most for Blacks since Lincoln. But a lot of Blacks do like boisterous cockiness, it's why rap is filled with boisterous motherfuckers.

If #Blexit is real it seriously helps explain how Trump could be competitive in Florida, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota. And the Black Vote is something Democrats have taken for granted. If Trump ends up being the first Republican Black President it'll be some Peak 2020. Also let's be real Niggas don't care about Covid.

Now for certain I'm not claiming Trump will recieve 40% of the Black Vote. But if he's peeled off even 15% that's a huge number. And I think it's totally plausible as well because there's a lot of African Americans who are in law enforcement & security and a not so insignificant number also served in the military. So believe me while many Blacks support BLM there has to be a decent chunk who are jaded by an organization that rambles on about killing and abolishing the police.
 
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