Law Justice Amy Coney Barrett Megathread

So the announcer at the rose garden announced her as she walked out with the president.

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The long-term academic, appeals court judge and mother of seven was the hot favourite for the Supreme Court seat.

Donald Trump - who as sitting president gets to select nominees - reportedly once said he was "saving her" for this moment: when elderly Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg died and a vacancy on the nine-member court arose.

It took the president just over a week to fast-track the 48-year-old conservative intellectual into the wings. This is his chance to tip the court make-up even further to the right ahead of the presidential election, when he could lose power.

Barrett's record on gun rights and immigration cases imply she would be as reliable a vote on the right of the court, as Ginsburg was on the left, according to Jonathan Turley, a professor of law at George Washington University.

"Ginsburg maintained one of the most consistent liberal voting records in the history of the court. Barrett has the same consistency and commitment," he adds. "She is not a work-in-progress like some nominees. She is the ultimate 'deliverable' for conservative votes."

And her vote, alongside a conservative majority, could make the difference for decades ahead, especially on divisive issues such as abortion rights and the Affordable Care Act (the Obama-era health insurance provider).

Barrett's legal opinions and remarks on abortion and gay marriage have made her popular with the religious right, but earned vehement opposition from liberals.

But as a devout Catholic, she has repeatedly insisted her faith does not compromise her work.

Barrett lives in South Bend, Indiana, with her husband, Jesse, a former federal prosecutor who is now with a private firm. The couple have seven children, including two adopted from Haiti. She is the oldest of seven children herself.

Known for her sharp intellect, she studied at the University of Notre Dame's Law School, graduating first in her class, and was a clerk to Justice Antonin Scalia, who, in her words, was the "staunchest conservative" on the Supreme Court at the time.

Like her mentor Scalia, she is an originalist, which is a belief that judges should attempt to interpret the words of the Constitution as the authors intended when they were written.

Many liberals oppose that strict approach, saying there must be scope for moving with the times.

Barrett has spent much of her career as a professor at her alma mater, Notre Dame, where she was voted professor of the year multiple times. One of students, Deion Kathawa, who took a class with her earlier this year, told the BBC she was popular because she involved everyone in discussions. He found her "collegial, civil, fair-minded, intellectually sharp, and devoted to the rule of law secured by our Constitution".

Another student told the WBEZ new site: "I feel somewhat conflicted because … she's a great professor. She never brought up politics in her classroom... But I do not agree with her ideologies at all. I don't think she would be good for this country and the Supreme Court."

Barrett was selected by President Trump to serve as a federal appeals court judge in 2017, sitting on the Seventh Circuit, based in Chicago. She regularly commutes to the court from her home - more than an hour and half away. The South Bend Tribune once carried an interview from a friend saying she was an early riser, getting up between 04:00 and 05:00. "It's true," says Paolo Carozza, a professor at Notre Dame. "I see her at the gym shortly after then."

Carozza has watched Barrett go from student to teacher to leading judge, and speaks about her effusively. "It's a small, tight-knit community, so I know her socially too. She is ordinary, warm, kind."

A religious man himself, he thinks it is reasonable to question a candidate about whether their beliefs would interfere with their work. "But she has answered those questions forcefully... I fear she is now being reduced to an ideological caricature, and that pains me, knowing what a rich and thoughtful person she is."

Her confirmation hearing for the appeals court seat featured a now-infamous encounter with Senator Dianne Feinstein, who voiced concerns about how her faith could affect her thinking on the law. "The dogma lives loudly within you," said Mrs Feinstein in an accusatory tone. Defiant Catholics adopted the phrase as a tongue-in-cheek slogan on mugs.

Barrett has defended herself on multiple occasions. "I would stress that my personal church affiliation or my religious belief would not bear in the discharge of my duties as a judge," she once said.

However, her links to a particularly conservative Christian faith group, People of Praise, have been much discussed in the US press. LGBT groups have flagged the group's network of schools, which have guidelines stating a belief that sexual relations should only happen between heterosexual married couples.

LGBTQ advocacy group Human Rights Campaign has voiced strong opposition to Barrett's confirmation, declaring her an "absolute threat to LGBTQ rights".

The Guttmacher Institute, a pro-choice research organisation, declined comment on Barrett specifically, but said appointing any new conservative Supreme Court justice would "be devastating for sexual and reproductive health and rights".

To secure the position on the Supreme Court - a lifelong job - Barrett will still have to pass a gruelling confirmation hearing, where Democratic senators are likely to take a tough line, bringing up many of their voters' concerns.

Professor Turley thinks she will take it her stride, due to the "civil and unflappable disposition" she showed during the hostile questioning for the appeals court position.

"She is someone who showed incredible poise and control… her [appeals court] confirmation hearing was a dry run for a Supreme Court confirmation. She has already played in the World Series."

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President Trump on Saturday announced he has chosen Amy Coney Barrett as his pick to fill the Supreme Court seat vacated by the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg -- a move that could significantly shift the nation's highest court to the right if she's confirmed by the Senate.

“Today it is my honor to nominate one of our nation's most brilliant and gifted legal minds to the Supreme Court," Trump said in the Rose Garden alongside Barrett. "She is a woman of unparalleled achievement, towering intellect, sterling credentials and unyielding loyalty to the Constitution -- Judge Amy Coney Barrett.”

Trump announced Barrett, a judge on the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals, who had been considered by Trump for the vacancy left by the retiring Justice Anthony Kennedy in 2018. Trump eventually chose now-Justice Brett Kavanaugh instead.

Ginsburg, a liberal trailblazer who was a consistent vote on the court’s liberal wing, died last week at 87. The announcement sets up what is likely to be a fierce confirmation battle as Republicans attempt to confirm Barrett before the election on Nov. 3.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has promised to put the nominee up for a vote, despite the objections of Senate Democrats -- who cite McConnell’s refusal to give Obama nominee Merrick Garland a hearing in 2016.

A source familiar with the process told Fox News that Oct. 12 is the target date for the beginning of confirmation hearings. This means that Barrett, 48, could potentially be confirmed by the end of the month and just days before the election.

Barrett, a former Notre Dame professor and a mother of seven, is a devout Catholic and pro-life -- beliefs that were raised as a problem by Democrats during her 2017 confirmation hearing to her seat on the 7th Circuit.

"The dogma lives loudly within you, and that's of concern," Senate Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., told Barrett. She was eventually confirmed 55-43.

Trump was also believed to have been considering candidates including 11th Circuit Judge Barbara Lagoa. Trump had said publicly that he had five potential picks he was considering.

A source told Fox News that Trump had taken note of how “tough” Barrett was when she faced the tough confirmation fight in 2017 and had kept her very much at the front of his mind since then.

The source said Trump met her during the considerations on who to replace Kennedy in 2018, talked to a lot of people about her and wanted to keep her in place through the Kavanaugh vetting process in case there was an issue. Kavanaugh did face hurdles in his confirmation battle, but that came after his nomination was announced.

The source said that after Ginsburg died, Barrett was the only candidate he met and spoke with at length, although he made a few calls to Lagoa because some people were pushing him very hard to do so. But ultimately Barrett was always at the front of Trump’s mind to fill a Ginsburg vacancy.

Should she be confirmed, Barrett would be Trump’s third Supreme Court confirmation. That’s more than two-term Presidents Barack Obama, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush -- who each put two justices on the court.

Democrats have vowed to oppose the pick, but the Senate math does not appear to be in their favor. Republicans have 53 Senate seats and Barrett only needs 50 to be confirmed -- with Vice President Mike Pence acting as a tie breaker in such a case.

So far, only Sens. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, and Susan Collins, R-Maine, have indicated they oppose moving forward with a confirmation before the election. Murkowski has since suggested she still may vote for the nominee.

Fox News' John Roberts, Mike Emanuel and Tyler Olson contributed to this report.

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Why are Americans so obsessed with abortions? Like are other western countries as gung-ho about shredding babies in utero? I get that there are points to be made about the pros for abortions but it's just weird that killing babies is the hill these chicks wanna die on.
Y'know how we're histrionic about a lot of other things? Combine that with several generations of Tumblrinas.
 
Why are Americans so obsessed with abortions? Like are other western countries as gung-ho about shredding babies in utero? I get that there are points to be made about the pros for abortions but it's just weird that killing babies is the hill these chicks wanna die on.
Becaue its like null explaned with 230 issue its politicized.
People keep saying roe v wade dead ruling that can't change much.
dems way way to lazy to enshrine it into law making it a done deal & same gay rights & gun rights & some medicaide for all & geting more than 50 states
Dems just happy with courts not taking case being saved by same corrupt judges it just a cycle.
 
Why are Americans so obsessed with abortions?
That's a question i also have, all the most loud screams that come from the Democrat sides it always involve sex in some way, someone told me this that i still remember "they keep screeching that what two persons do in private is no one business but boy how they like to share what they do in there, and they want to make it law that you hear them"
 
That's a question i also have, all the most loud screams that come from the Democrat sides it always involve sex in some way, someone told me this that i still remember "they keep screeching that what two persons do in private is no one business but boy how they like to share what they do in there, and they want to make it law that you hear them"
What they do in bed is simultaneously none of your business and 100% of your financial responsibility.
 
Honest to god I think it'd be worth moving to Kentucky just to vote for Mitch. He's longwinded at times and I do suspect he shares at least 60% of his genetic profile with a tortoise. But he is essentially a soft spoken, Republican version of LBJ when it comes to political maneuvering and expertise. LBJ, before he became known either as civil rights hero or most corrupt president in history depending on who you ask, was well known for his congress-fu skills. Mitch is the same way and it is incredible to watch because he speaks so softly I have to turn the TV up to hear him but his words carry the impact of a fucking cruise missile. He will shame them to their faces on national TV and then his staffers will get on twitter and rub shit in the opponents wounds. I've already remarked before, it takes massive balls and a record setting bankruptcy of fucks to be the kind of political figurehead who will take an attempted insult like "Cocaine Mitch" and turn it into a marketing opportunity for your campaign's webstore.
 
What they do in bed is simultaneously none of your business and 100% of your financial responsibility.
That's the great thing about single-payer. The amount of healthcare a person requires hinges enormously on their lifestyle, and if the government has to provide all of that healthcare, that means they have a very good justification to get involved in the minutiae of a person's lifestyle.

Oh, and the taxpayers who pay for the healthcare have to pay for the consequences of people's questionable lifestyle choices.
 
That's a question i also have, all the most loud screams that come from the Democrat sides it always involve sex in some way, someone told me this that i still remember "they keep screeching that what two persons do in private is no one business but boy how they like to share what they do in there, and they want to make it law that you hear them"
it's just a issue untill we are alllowed to have artifical womb.
issue men 0 rights in usa about the babby beyond if its their babby. if it is your babby- the women have right to either (divorsed , Almony & Divorsed,babby aborted, babby aborted& divorsed& almony, foster(give the babby away to the state)
 
Do these women know that sex is elective? They sound like they are forced to sex quite often and their only way out of pregnancies is abortion.

Or, rather, all relationships they're able to form are based on sex exclusively so the idea of getting pregnant by some random and having to give up that life is really terrifying for them.
 
Do these women know that sex is elective? They sound like they are forced to sex quite often and their only way out of pregnancies is abortion.

Or, rather, all relationships they're able to form are based on sex exclusively so the idea of getting pregnant by some random and having to give up that life is really terrifying for them.
I think its more they think The Handmaids Tale is a prophetic telling of the future.
 
Why are Americans so obsessed with abortions? Like are other western countries as gung-ho about shredding babies in utero? I get that there are points to be made about the pros for abortions but it's just weird that killing babies is the hill these chicks wanna die on.

It's a combination of many things coming together. I'll go into some American history as I know it. Keep in mind this is only my take on things and that my memory is fuzzy. Ok I figured out how cuts work, I'm dumb

First for reasons I do not fully know, the issue was astroturfed back in the day heavily which resulted in Roe v Wade. Like many issues from that time period it has been kept alive by leftist boomers.

Second there have been genuine cases where victims of rape were denied abortions on religious grounds, there have also been cases where women have flat out died because of the life-threatening nature of pregnancy. Mind you, these cases are rare enough that I can't name them off the top of my head, but yes the exist.

Third its a reaction against religion itself. From Roe v Wade onward is when Americans began getting severely disillusioned with religion. Notably what jumps to my mind is that this time period would be when a core group of Roman Catholic priests started raping as many children they could get their hands on and the Catholic church responded by moving the rapists around. This resulted in the numbers of raped children ballooning way past what it should have been considering the limited number of Catholic priests doing the raping, but the church insisted on supplying them with brand new trusting victims at all times. This is only my conjecture but I think that these experiences of watching the RCC abandon their parishioners resulted in many Catholics rejecting Christianity all together and with it, the idea that abortion was bad.

This effect was seen in many other Protestant denominations but since abortion has historically been a Catholic issue, the pronounced anti-Catholic backlash was fueled heavily by pedo priests and the cover ups that resulted, even the victims own families worked very hard to cover up the rape victims. The movie Spotlight is actually a pretty good one in this regard where they recreated the interviews with many victims and part of their accounts was that their Catholic parents insisted on being obsequious to the priests trespassing on their children. This resulted in many losing their religion.

Fourth the United States has been getting more and more secular over time. In large part this was the result of backlash against the Moral Majority, which was the alliance of whatever evangelical Christians were around at the time. They tried to become a kind of pseudo nanny-state to the United States and they helped grow the Satanic Panic of the 80s as well as trying to destroy rock and roll as well as shows like the Simpsons. When the Moral Majority was screaming at everyone that "you're all going to hell!!11!!!eleventy!!!" it eventually got to the point that Americans tuned them out completely. The Moral Majority wasn't content to keep to politics, they insisted on looping our parents into the mix as well because they wanted us to be disciplined as good little Christians that never dindu nuffin uwu.

It was extremely fucking obnoxious and horribly invasive and everything was coming from the Right and their retarded patsies on the Left like poor stupid Tipper Gore. So an entire generation of Americans said, "What's the point of trying to be a good person? We're all going to hell anyway so we might as well have fun." This in turn fueled the hook up culture even more as as well as sexual degeneracy etc because...well it didn't matter, we just wanted to have fun because we were all horrible evil sinners that were destined to hell because we listened to rock music and we would probably die in a nuclear war with the Soviet Union anyway. Support for abortion becomes necessary with that kind of mindset as I'm sure you can imagine though at the time IIRC it just wasn't really a big deal.

That kind of mindset hasn't really gone away especially with the brief resurgence of the Moral Majority in the Bush era. All of the leftist stuff that you see today was grown in response to Dubya's constant warhawking and the endless fingerwagging that came along with it. It's slowly dying as we see now but it's important to keep this in mind.

And now its basically holding on because the cultists who came of age during the horrible retarded Republican and Dubya years don't understand (or refuse to understand) that Trump is not that kind of president. And there have been several high profile cases from South America and Ireland where women have died thanks to their pregnancies or else the South American wetbacks force 11 year old rape victims to carry rape baby pregnancies. These stories went viral thanks to the Internet and now there's a breed of Leftist that is panicking because they think "it could happen here." And, well, it could and it probably has but spics and wetbacks are kind of infamous for their loose sexual morality regarding children so the only real solution is to remind them that such is life among the savages. (God bless Spain and Portugal, they tried their best to civilize them. They failed but they tried.)

I don't know what ACB will do, I'm sure she'll make a perfectly adequate Supreme Court Justice. I don't really understand all of the furor around her since she's insanely boring and hasn't actually accomplished anything of real value but so long as she actually follows the law then that isn't a bad thing. The only thing I don't like is that she got squishy on Covid lockdowns but I also don't know much about that. Is it a bad thing, was it her retarded woman brain being taken by surprise, is she a Covid 19 cultist? Who knows.

Looking more into the long-term I suspect that this will result in maybe 10 to 20 years of right winger moralizing, whatever vein that will take and the following leftist backlash will take shape in response to that. History doesn't repeat but it does rhyme.
 
Enjoy it while it lasts, Trumpists, because she’ll be impeached by February.

Obvious active measures are obvious.

Serious question here, but what if Trump really does somehow end up winning and continues putting the screws on China? Will your CCP superiors have you liquidated or will you just off yourself out of despair?

On the grounds the people of the United States do not wish her to be a Judge on the Court. What do you think elections are? Popularity contests?

I'm pretty sure everyone else pointed this out, but judges are appointed and not elected. No judge has ever been successfully impeached either. Someone else upthread brought this up, but only one judge was ever impeached and that was in 1796 when the country was in its infancy and the Supreme Court hadn't fully been solidified into its modern role (that happened after Marbury v. Madison)

I think its more they think The Handmaids Tale is a prophetic telling of the future.

The ironic part is that The Handmaid's Tale was meant to be a fictionalized allegory for the then-recent Iranian Revolution, but Atwood used Protestant traditionalists to make it more relatable to the average American since Islam wasn't as widely known by the typical 80's suburbanite normie who only knew of the Iranian Revolution thanks to the embassy hostage situation. However, they knew about the newly emergent Religious Right and Ronald Reagan.

I honestly think the sperging over Handmaid's Tale is entirely because of that damn Hulu series and the fact that a major chunk of the Democratic Party and the Woke Left as a whole are fundamentally stuck in the Bush years to at least some degree. They still think the Religious Right have influence and are still pissed at their parents.

Aside from a few Silent Generation geezers and literal Boomers in the South (plus some of the Gen X'ers in Appalachia) and socially maladjusted and powerless Zoomer "traditionalist" edgelords who played Crusader Kings II or saw The Distributist and felt so empowered, the Religious Right is deader than Dillinger.
 
Do these women know that sex is elective? They sound like they are forced to sex quite often and their only way out of pregnancies is abortion.

Or, rather, all relationships they're able to form are based on sex exclusively so the idea of getting pregnant by some random and having to give up that life is really terrifying for them.
This may be unironically misgynous of me, but I have begun to feel that women spend their lives anxious/fearful of a certain powerlessness over their own reproductive systems. They don’t choose their periods, and they don’t choose their pregnancies - both in the act of having the kid as much as not having. Consider all the couples who grow frustrated with infertility to get what I mean by this. In past times, “feminine mysteries” would offer some sense of control, and now it is birth control/abortion. Even if women don’t use these, having them available alleviates their sense of impotence.

For an analogous sense of impotence in men, look no further than castration and being looked upon as unmanly/worthless. We are all in some way afraid of what is done to/by our bodies or how society thrusts a certain value judgement upon it; and if that fear is not immediately present, it is hiding somewhere waiting.

But I don’t think murdering children to make women feel less anxious is a good idea, any more than allowing men free access to steroids to make themselves feel better is a good idea. Ultimately we must accept full control over our bodies is impossible, and the responsibility to the next generation is more important than fleeting anxiety or even despair. Humanity goes on, you don’t.
 
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It's a combination of many things coming together. I'll go into some American history as I know it. Keep in mind this is only my take on things and that my memory is fuzzy. Ok I figured out how cuts work, I'm dumb

First for reasons I do not fully know, the issue was astroturfed back in the day heavily which resulted in Roe v Wade. Like many issues from that time period it has been kept alive by leftist boomers.

Second there have been genuine cases where victims of rape were denied abortions on religious grounds, there have also been cases where women have flat out died because of the life-threatening nature of pregnancy. Mind you, these cases are rare enough that I can't name them off the top of my head, but yes the exist.

Third its a reaction against religion itself. From Roe v Wade onward is when Americans began getting severely disillusioned with religion. Notably what jumps to my mind is that this time period would be when a core group of Roman Catholic priests started raping as many children they could get their hands on and the Catholic church responded by moving the rapists around. This resulted in the numbers of raped children ballooning way past what it should have been considering the limited number of Catholic priests doing the raping, but the church insisted on supplying them with brand new trusting victims at all times. This is only my conjecture but I think that these experiences of watching the RCC abandon their parishioners resulted in many Catholics rejecting Christianity all together and with it, the idea that abortion was bad.

This effect was seen in many other Protestant denominations but since abortion has historically been a Catholic issue, the pronounced anti-Catholic backlash was fueled heavily by pedo priests and the cover ups that resulted, even the victims own families worked very hard to cover up the rape victims. The movie Spotlight is actually a pretty good one in this regard where they recreated the interviews with many victims and part of their accounts was that their Catholic parents insisted on being obsequious to the priests trespassing on their children. This resulted in many losing their religion.

Fourth the United States has been getting more and more secular over time. In large part this was the result of backlash against the Moral Majority, which was the alliance of whatever evangelical Christians were around at the time. They tried to become a kind of pseudo nanny-state to the United States and they helped grow the Satanic Panic of the 80s as well as trying to destroy rock and roll as well as shows like the Simpsons. When the Moral Majority was screaming at everyone that "you're all going to hell!!11!!!eleventy!!!" it eventually got to the point that Americans tuned them out completely. The Moral Majority wasn't content to keep to politics, they insisted on looping our parents into the mix as well because they wanted us to be disciplined as good little Christians that never dindu nuffin uwu.

It was extremely fucking obnoxious and horribly invasive and everything was coming from the Right and their retarded patsies on the Left like poor stupid Tipper Gore. So an entire generation of Americans said, "What's the point of trying to be a good person? We're all going to hell anyway so we might as well have fun." This in turn fueled the hook up culture even more as as well as sexual degeneracy etc because...well it didn't matter, we just wanted to have fun because we were all horrible evil sinners that were destined to hell because we listened to rock music and we would probably die in a nuclear war with the Soviet Union anyway. Support for abortion becomes necessary with that kind of mindset as I'm sure you can imagine though at the time IIRC it just wasn't really a big deal.

That kind of mindset hasn't really gone away especially with the brief resurgence of the Moral Majority in the Bush era. All of the leftist stuff that you see today was grown in response to Dubya's constant warhawking and the endless fingerwagging that came along with it. It's slowly dying as we see now but it's important to keep this in mind.

And now its basically holding on because the cultists who came of age during the horrible retarded Republican and Dubya years don't understand (or refuse to understand) that Trump is not that kind of president. And there have been several high profile cases from South America and Ireland where women have died thanks to their pregnancies or else the South American wetbacks force 11 year old rape victims to carry rape baby pregnancies. These stories went viral thanks to the Internet and now there's a breed of Leftist that is panicking because they think "it could happen here." And, well, it could and it probably has but spics and wetbacks are kind of infamous for their loose sexual morality regarding children so the only real solution is to remind them that such is life among the savages. (God bless Spain and Portugal, they tried their best to civilize them. They failed but they tried.)

I don't know what ACB will do, I'm sure she'll make a perfectly adequate Supreme Court Justice. I don't really understand all of the furor around her since she's insanely boring and hasn't actually accomplished anything of real value but so long as she actually follows the law then that isn't a bad thing. The only thing I don't like is that she got squishy on Covid lockdowns but I also don't know much about that. Is it a bad thing, was it her retarded woman brain being taken by surprise, is she a Covid 19 cultist? Who knows.

Looking more into the long-term I suspect that this will result in maybe 10 to 20 years of right winger moralizing, whatever vein that will take and the following leftist backlash will take shape in response to that. History doesn't repeat but it does rhyme.
Retarded cliche of a last line and I don't think right wing moralizing is back at all, but a pretty good take otherwise.
 
I'm just glad my Mother didn't have me killed when it was in her power to do so.

I used to be more ambivalent on Abortion because I treated it like a philosophical question-- when DOES life begin? Conception comes several days before implantation, and at that time almost anything can terminate the pregnancy with no one the wiser. That seems a little extreme to call a death. So what is it? Heartbeat? Capable of surviving in an incubator? Hmmmmm.

But as I got older I realized that counting angels on a pinhead wasn't the point; the law should not asymptotically approach legalized infanticide. Set clear-cut things, like "do not intentionally make a fetus die." Much better, even if you're jumping the gun on what is a person.
 
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