Cyberpunk 2077 Grieving Thread

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Mike Pondsmith wrote an article about the George Floyd/BLM shit back in June, don't think anyone ever talked about it.

https://rtalsoriangames.com/2020/06/12/mike-pondsmith-cops-and-racists/

So. Here we are.

First, I’ll answer the question you think you want to ask me but really don’t want to ask me. Yeah, I’ve been pulled over by cops more times than I care to remember. And at least once, I was pretty sure the cop (who was off duty at the time and flagged me into a deserted street area) was planning to pound me for no reason until he found out that I was friends with a ton of local cops who were going to investigate whatever happened to me. And there was the period when the local cops decided to pretty much harass me whenever they saw me; until I mentioned it to a friend who was the City Councilman in charge of police oversight–and then, miraculously, it was like a magical “don’t mess with this guy” bubble appeared around me from then on.

But I’m one of the lucky ones. I’m a black guy with friends who are cops and LEOs (Law Enforcement Officers) of all stripes. I also know some pretty high-powered people who guard my back. I’m not a relatively faceless black guy just minding my own business when some cop gets an urge to bust heads or some “Karen” decides to release her inner racist because she just can’t help it but she really isn’t a racist at all and she wouldn’t have done that, really. Even so, there’s no safe level of being black in America. You could be a senator; a famous actor, a brilliant scientist or even the recipient of the Nobel Prize, but to the supremacist with a badge, or the secret racist who really doesn’t want to consider the idea that someone who doesn’t look like them could actually be a living, breathing human being with hopes, dreams and rights just like they have, you are a target. Every single case I have just described has happened in this so-called post racial America. It’s just that a lot of people would rather just pretend it isn’t happening.

But here’s something I want to tell those of you who think the color of their skin makes them safe. “Your” cops are out of control. They don’t care about who they work for anymore. Like the cops in Cyberpunk, they work for themselves. They have weapons, power and invulnerability that has been granted to them because of the devil’s deal the people in power made with them since the 90’s.

You take care of the people we’re trying to keep control of, and we will give you whatever you want.

Most of the cops I know retired out long ago. They were good cops. They honored the Badge. But there’s a reason they got out when they did. They tell me that policing has changed. They tell me about the corrupt guys who are dealing drugs, seizing property and acting like street gangsters. They tell me about the heavy steroid use that is turning some cops into ‘roid raging monsters. They tell me about the guys who didn’t have the cojones to join up to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan who are now playing “soldier” on the streets of America instead. They describe the sadists who figure a badge gives them the right to beat in the heads of anyone who “crosses” them. They emphasize with the cops who are basically good guys who joined up to be the heroes and protectors of their neighborhoods, but who are ground down by their corrupt gangster wannabe co-workers, the police unions who shield the bad guys no matter what they do, and the higher ups who still subscribe to that devil’s bargain.

You take care of the people we’re trying to keep control of, and we will give you whatever you want.

There’s an old saying: First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

If you think police brutality isn’t going to get to you, you’d better reconsider. Because the flip side of that devil’s deal is that any of us can be lumped into the groups that the people in power want to keep control of. They aren’t your cops; they’re the people in power’s cops. And those people will use them against you just the same as they have used them against black people. They’re already beating, gassing and shooting all kinds of American citizens in the streets; black, white, Asian; you pick a group and I can probably show you a half dozen videos to prove my point. They’re even attacking the press; who, more than anyone, are supposed to be sacrosanct in a free society. Because in the end, this is what it’s all about; Control. Terror. Domination. Enforcing the authoritarian doctrines of the people who want, need and crave power.

If you don’t believe me, maybe you should read this article from a real cop: https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759

I’ve known a bad cop just like this guy personally. I thought he was an okay guy. I was wrong.

It’s been about twenty years; he’s probably out of prison by now.

When I wrote Cyberpunk many years ago, I meant it as a warning, not an aspiration. Of what happens when Power, Money, and Ruthlessness combine. Of what happens when the America you think you know morphs into a tyrannical state that combines the worst of corporate excess with the worst of authoritarian tendencies. We’re speeding on the way towards that Dark Future right now, and the color of your skin, or the money in your bank account are not going to spare you. It’s time to wake up; to face down the people who want in the end, to enslave all of us.

So where do we go from here? Here are a few goals to start:

  1. Establish strong national laws prohibiting false, racially motivated reporting to police. Many states already have laws to that effect; we just need to enforce them. If Karen realizes she will face a felony charge for “weaponizing” the police on her behalf, she’s going to stop that pronto.
  2. Break or otherwise renegotiate current contracts with police unions. Right now, the biggest obstacle towards better policing are the police unions. They obstruct their political bosses at every turn, as well as fight legitimate DOJ oversight. They also cover for bad cops and allow them to move from department to department unhindered, spreading corrupt policing wherever they go. The implied threat of “blue flu” or an outright walkout is the way police unions force city governments to accept these contracts. In the Mob, they call this a “protection racket.” Is this how we want to ensure our cities have good policing? Think about it.
  3. Demilitarize police by prohibiting the sale of surplus military hardware to departments. In the early 2000’s, the military realized that it could offload old or out of date equipment to police departments at a pittance of value. But an armored assault vehicle from the Vietnam Era is just as effective as ever when you’re using it against civilian targets. Are we planning to fight a house to house war on our own citizens? If we are, it’s time to stop that now.
  4. Establish a strong national group equivalent to the Electronic Frontier Foundation, but dedicated to police oversight and transparency. As a unified group, they will be able to bring the money and clout needed to force departments to return to fair, uncorrupted, non-racially biased policing. A good start will be to establish a national database of “bad cops” so that they are unable to move around from department to department.
Here’s are a lot of organizations to support getting the above goals underway. Look at who they are and what they need and ask yourself how you can help.

https://fundersforjustice.org/organizations/

I can’t vouch for all of them. But you’ve gotta start somewhere.

I don’t care what your skin color is or what your orientations are. This a fight all of us have a stake in. This is our future, and the future of our children and grandchildren. And if you fail them, in the end, they will be the ones who will judge you. Remember; the Cyberpunk future is a warning; not an aspiration. Whether we hear the warning is up to you.
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There is absolutely a conversation to be had about how the police force in the US operates, but the trouble is like so many things the conversation has been hijacked by an extremist movement whose agenda is the dissolution of the US government, protesting the police should not have to translate to burning and stomping on US flags, tearing down statues of the Founding Fathers and burning innocent people's livelihoods.

It's basically authoritarians wanting to replace a different form of authoritarianism with their own form of authoritarianism, if you think the America BLM wants to create would be any better or safer for anyone well I got a bridge I'd like to sell you., they're just mad they can't be the ones brutalizing and terrorizing people with the full consent of the law.

This is why the police are so protective of even the bad ones because as we've seen with the left it's give an inch and they'll take a mile, "more accountability" would quickly translate to a cop not being able to even look at someone the wrong way without being fired, so we're stuck with shitty cops not getting the punishment they deserve because the alternative would be anarchy, it's a shitty situation but that's America.

If you think it wouldn't be that way just look at how the left didn't wait one split second after they got gay marriage before pushing trans issues and look at how out of control insane the trans thing has become, look at how the fight for equality in general has now evolved into the fight for equity for just a few of many examples, like I said, give an inch and they'll take a mile, what may start off as reasonable will become unreasonable real fucking quick when you're dealing with the left wing.

The whole situation with the police does suck though and I don't really know what the answer is, I just know what the answer is not.
 
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Dom Cruise said:
There is absolutely a conversation to be had about how the police force in the US operates,
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Sure, lets have that conversation when the people who want to have it know a single thing about the job and what it entails. Especially the retards that ree about "training and procedure", yet don't know fuck all about any of it.
 
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White Devil said:
Sure, lets have that conversation when the people who want to have it know a single thing about the job and what it entails. Especially the retards that ree about "training and procedure", yet don't know fuck all about any of it.
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It's true, but we've seen how easily power can be abused, the way so many progtards have abused the power given to them by their minority status is proof of that, so to say that there are cops out there that abuse their power isn't so hard to believe.
 
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Dom Cruise said:
It's true, but we've seen how easily power can be abused, the way so many progtards have abused the power given to them by their minority status is proof of that, so to say that there are cops out there that abuse their power isn't so hard to believe.
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Oh there definitely fucking are, no doubt about it. The thing is though you can't reform an entire profession just because there's a few assholes. The US is not like Europe, you take away the tools of police to do the job and you are going to end up with a lot of dead cops and then no one else wanting to enter the profession. I know that's what the hardcore left wants, but a society cannot function without law enforcement, and law enforcement needs to be able to do it's job. No one seems to understand just how reactionary it is, you respond to what other people do.

I think the bigger problem we have as a society is the absolutely fucktarded amount of laws and felonies we have on the books. Reform has to start there before it can trickle down to the enforcers.
 
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White Devil said:
Oh there definitely fucking are, no doubt about it. The thing is though you can't reform an entire profession just because there's a few assholes. The US is not like Europe, you take away the tools of police to do the job and you are going to end up with a lot of dead cops and then no one else wanting to enter the profession. I know that's what the hardcore left wants, but a society cannot function without law enforcement, and law enforcement needs to be able to do it's job. No one seems to understand just how reactionary it is, you respond to what other people do.

I think the bigger problem we have as a society is the absolutely fucktarded amount of laws and felonies we have on the books. Reform has to start there before it can trickle down to the enforcers.
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That was my point, it's a shitty situation but the alternative is even worse.
 
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Features can be cut at every stage of development, the timeframe barely matters (unless its like a month before release or some silly shit like that).
As for 3rd person cutscenes i recall them saying something about how they had a dozen of them planned in the entire game anyways, doesn't sound like such a big deal to me if that's true.
For some reason they don't let the player customize cars anymore, but cars are still customized, that doesn't sound like a technical issue so its probably something else. Balance? Who knows.
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My guess is that they know car customization isn't going to be a feature that many will miss.

Look at GTA5 and that game's car customization. I can only speak for myself, but all I did with that was upgrade each character's default cars so they weren't complete shit and trick out a couple of the top tier supercars, again so they could take more of a beating than wet tissue.

So as long as CP2077's vehicle selection is good out of the gate, I don't think many will care. And even if people do make a deal out of it, allowing people to change a paint job or the rims sounds perfect for the free dlc CDPR said they'll have after launch.
 
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I loved witcher 3, and even that game got delayed a bunch of times, but this is getting silly.
Also, have they ever shown any gameplay that wasn't in a heavily controlled enviroment? Ever let somebody play a demo or something?
The constant delays and the fact that I haven't seen much raw gameplay makes me feel uneasy. Then again I stopped following things closely after the third delay or so.
 
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