Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

You joke, but we already know you have a god complex.



Beg pardon? Chased him away from crowdfunding? How many of his crappy topical/not-topical books was he trying to fund at the same time, until very recently?



All based on them going "hurrr!" at your obsession over Rose Tico and chopping up Captain Marvel dolls. A strategy so successful that it looks like even RLM noticed you.



Argumentum ad Populum? 'Popular' is not synonymous with 'good'. Weak trolling.



Very few were asking for that. It's not that you don't make comics screeching about AOC or Joe Biden, it's that you turned on so many of your personal comicsgate principles and 'allies' after loudly and proudly praising them from the rooftops.



I wonder, if Zack's 'conservative business practises' continue to fail and his next couple of crowdfunders continue the downward trajectory, will he still be 'charismatic' and 'great', and will you still exhort us to watch his videos? Without WC in your pocket, will it be harder to orchestrate some gay op to cut him off from the purity of CG?

A page ago there was a long list of most of the bumbling fools still in CG and just how successful their business practises are. They're not the only ones who turned books out late, eh, Eehee? But despite your own bumbling you're at the top of a very short list of CGers who got the money, got the books out, and have your sheep baahing for more mediocre frog adventures. You got your cheddar, so that obviously means CG as a whole just works.
Dude, for all my dislike for @FROG when he, a 25 year veteran of the comicbook industry and superstar artist, joined CG, it was a big win for YBZ and co and legitimized them. So did Jon Mailin and the rest of the artists that came in.

Yes, comic book pros being comic book pros, they brought in the comicbookpro faggotry with them, but claiming they ussurped the movement (that wanted pros to join it in the first place) is a stretch to say the least...
 
Saw this on BiC. Daniel Kibblesmith was bitching about a Trump supporting cop not being immediately fired. Kurt Busiek--who is 60-years-old, but "resists" like a 20-yo cellar dweller, apparently--explained why that isn't possible, prompting the most impotent, lol-worthy threat ever made by a Muppet-armed "man" who writes "comics":
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The guy who created "experimental internet gas" & the lamest Marvel characters ever thinks that'd be intimidating to the NYPD....
This is Daniel Kibblesmith, btw
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He looks much more likely to hit someone with his purse. If his hands were wrapped in bandages, it'd most likely be because he had a paper cut. I hope Trump wins again just to watch turds like these 2 cry some more.
 
@Smug Freiza Remember what CG originally stood for: Good customer service, comics in a timely manner, no billion variant covers, no talking sh*t like the pros did in '16-'18 and community support to make your own comic. Now it is all about the grift.

Heck, it was Tim Lim who helped Zach get connected with Antarctic Press before the lawsuit. When the "pros" came, people thought they would help build up others not lord over them. And let's be honest, would Shane, Graham or Kenneth join a micro group of niche cliché if it weren't for a FOOKING "Pandemic" that shut down nearly everything in the world? They are just looking out for themselves and once the wuhan coff is over and their agents give them a call, they'll be working back in the mainstream just like before.

As for Frog's "improved" behavior, it took him embarrassing long enough but only after the damage was done. He can croak about making a million dollars but will still be envious of some woman, who requested a refund of his book, getting retweeted by Trump. Also I think Frog was at that New Jersey rally for Trump.

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So today JDA (maybe Jon Del Antos, because he's such a bitch?) decided to pick a fight with Ernst on behalf of Napalm Brothers, a comic that looks like this:

He's got his panties in a wad because Ernst won't promote Napalm Brothers. For comparisons sake, Ernst's book looks like this:

Senor of the Rice will brook no disagreements in his holy culture war (which is accurately assessed by anti-CG Pointman Comics as "a typical pissing contest")
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I don't remember what issues Doug & EVS have, but I appreciate that they can both see through JDA.

ETA: wtf happened to the "Preview Post" button? I'm posting blind here!

If Ernst is the Mitt Romney of comics, John is Marco Rubio! Stop messing with Ernst, JDA.

Well, I AM a Conservative. But that doesn't mean comics should be partisan Right leaning. Comic creators should seek to sell comics to everyone, in order to make the most money possible, so that they can be a self-sustaining industry that doesn't need to sell itself to Hollywood and large umbrella corporations to survive. That attitude in itself projects that Conservative business practices are superior to people wondering why comics suck right now.

It's awesome how you never understood what Zack was saying all these years.



The "founders" memory holed themselves. They aren't saying or doing things that appeal to large masses of people, so they're lame and nobody gives a shit but you. I owe them zero. If they were at all good at what they do (whining about Marvel Comics being gay) they'd have more viewers and more influence, and I'd be anxious to have them on my channel. But they're boring and stupid.

Zack, Just Some Guy and Doug Ernst are great, however.

Go enjoy their videos.

For a man who keeps a porn collection sitting out on his shelves, that's pretty hilarious. No, you aren't conservative. You can't slap a free-market neo-con label over an ocean of degeneracy to people who know better. The way you policed Miller on his own social media and went on a smear campaign like you do on everyone else you don't see eye to eye with. All that happened when these guys associate with you is exchange overlords who will dictate what may or may not be said or believed. You suddenly started making decisions about what "the fans" wanted when it was really a matter of making them your fans at the exclusion of anyone else's. You don't deplatform like the corporate comics do, but you do your absolute best to ruin their reputations and actively damage their ability to make a living. If you didn't approach all of these issues like a closet-case hypocrite cultcow, I might be able to take your word for it that wittle fwogman just wants to sell his wittle comics.

#ComicsGate was the situation created when the Radical Left invaded comics and clashed with non-leftist creators and customers. Nobody owned it.

I was affected by this situation and had to leave my job. I organized other pros to crowdfund indie comics through a mutual network, and I called that "ComicsGate" to neutralize the term.

This is my new job. I am in this entirely for money. ComicsGate is a means by which I and other creators can escape the gatekeeping of SJWs in order to sell our comics and make money.

Since I am successful at turning discussion of SJWs into entertainment, I receive money for this. Superchats and comic sales.

I am not in this to make friends. People I talk to on the internet are not necessarily my friends, nor do I care if they "still like me" or not. I'm not a girl. I care that they share my purpose. If they do share my purpose, and we can do business together, they will also make money with my help. If that isn't the case, we part ways, and fuck 'em.

No one gave me "credibility." I earned what credibility I have through 25 years in mainstream comics and a consistent message for 3 years on YouTube.

I detect a certain amount of honesty in this post, heh.

You did have credibility... as an artist. That legacy is being eroded in your 3 years as a bald-faced liar and manipulator and mediocre writer. There's a lot of things money can buy, but you can't purchase a new rep for yourself once you let it all hang out. The richer you get, the more your warts are gonna grow and I'm going to take note for science. Love of money is the ultimate fruit trap. I hope you gorge yourself on it!

And just like the SJWs throw labels around wherever they can, you gave everyone their very own epithet collection. In order to do that though, you've had to constantly put the severity of their break with you through a spin-cycle of agitprop drama. Hours and hours of not merely promoting yourself, but trashing everyone else. Typical sociopath stuff.

Personally I think Ethan has made a lot of good moves lately, sure I used to bust his chops several months ago, but I never had a hate boner for the guy.

He finally ditched Warcampaign after people were telling him for nearly two years to do so, now those guys are basically irrelevant because they bit the hand that fed them. You never hear of internal drama in CG anymore because those guys are gone, which might bring back old Comicsgate customers who left because of them.

He advised Liam against flagging SWC, despite SWC being critics of both him and Liam.

Although he disagrees with the amount Donal should pay Nasser, he does agree that Nasser should be paid.

He called out Mitch Breitweiser for how late Red Rooster is and that he should get the book done and into the hands of his customers.

Then there's the added value to backers he's offering with increased page counts, bonus comics and a free toy on Rekt Planet and the absolute bargain of the Warts and All campaign.

Objectively speaking Ethan has made a lot of good decisions lately and it's hard to find things to criticize him for, but maybe that's just me.

EDIT: Oh and he brought in more pro's like Shane Davis, Graham Nolan and Kenneth Rocafort which fill the void of Mike S Miller, Mitch Breitweiser and Doug TenNapel leaving.

He's been chronically late and hermaphroditic on every issue. He simply rides every advantage he has until the wheels fall off or Dynamite pulls the reigns. He has no principle outside of making money and expanding his closet space, so right away you know you're dealing with someone who only differs from his SJW corporate counterparts by lack of office space. The behavior is the same, but he does have the advantage of appearing to represent a certain demographic that people can relate to. Worse people have gotten away with more. He hasn't eclipsed Bob Kane's swindle or peak net worth, so there is that.

Only when juxtaposed next to the worst of the DisMarv/AT&DC brands does this character start to look favorable. Is there a fan of Cyberfrog who can sum up in a few sentences what is so resonant about him?
 
You did have credibility... as an artist. That legacy is being eroded in your 3 years as a bald-faced liar and manipulator and mediocre writer. There's a lot of things money can buy, but you can't purchase a new rep for yourself once you let it all hang out. The richer you get, the more your warts are gonna grow and I'm going to take note for science. Love of money is the ultimate fruit trap. I hope you gorge yourself on it!

Being a mediocre writer puts him head and shoulders above virtually all of the current crop vomiting out nonsense at the Big 2 in this year of our lord. 🤷‍♂️

Beyond that, he's got his fans, he ships what he says he' s going to ship...eventually. At least well enough to keep most of his public happy. He's avoided going down the Zoe Quinn grifting hole, etc. I think I'm with @Smug Freiza on this one. Granted, last I checked growth of his YouTube channel does seem to have stalled, so perhaps there's some sort of natural limit to his appeal and to his audience size. But so far said audience seems to be supporting him.

He's been chronically late and hermaphroditic on every issue.
A Hermaphroditic Ethan van Sciver is kind of nightmare fuel. How long until he takes over a Belgian cemetery? :o

Moving on, this might also be one of the funniest Twitter threads I've seen in a while. I thought JDA and Pocket Jacks were making kissy faces at each other for a while? Maybe? Well, if they were that is over now. Jon Del Arroz and his 151 IQ being too profound to be understood. Oh, boy.


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No longer being produced, btw. 😞
 
Went over new dms in this video where donal incriminates himself at least another 5 times. The thing is, this doesn't just hurt me, it hurts our backers who are not receiving their books (dozens of comments from people who never received it, and not one single comment from anyone with a book), and it hurts other smaller creators. How many people backed this, detective dead, red rooster, sovereign, and others who never fulfilled? A lot of those people have walked away from crowdfunding because of people like donal.
 
Moving on, this might also be one of the funniest Twitter threads I've seen in a while. I thought JDA and Pocket Jacks were making kissy faces at each other for a while? Maybe? Well, if they were that is over now. Jon Del Arroz and his 151 IQ being too profound to be understood. Oh, boy.


So that means we have two Mensa-level intellects in Comicsgayed? Well I guess we better watch for Donal's house to start overflowing with popcorn...

How come Peggy Poulter doesn't make vids slagging off Ethan anymore?

Did they agree to a truce?

He's probably trying to keep out of the constant negative exposure from his acting career. All Ethan has to do is post Preston's screenshots. I'm fairly certain at this point there's not much he can legally do about it. It's a real shame but he brought it on himself.
 
And let's be honest, would Shane, Graham or Kenneth join a micro group of niche cliché if it weren't for a FOOKING "Pandemic" that shut down nearly everything in the world? They are just looking out for themselves and once the wuhan coff is over and their agents give them a call, they'll be working back in the mainstream just like before.
Absolutely true, but if Comicsgate was about taking away the power of gatekeepers that enforce their radical ideology, people being allowed to come back into the establishment comic industry after not only declaring themselves conservatives but Comicsgate, cannot be taken as anything other than a win on CG's part. There'd be no way forward for social justice comics twitter except for having to say either say that the biggest employers are now "pro-Nazi" or walk back their rhetoric leveled against CG. But it's also a perfect example where the principles behind Comicsgate (at least as outlined by Zack) clash with the community that has been built to help realize those principles. It's also a narrative that sounds suspiciously similar to the one levelled against Doug TenNapel when he left the CG community, who's response was "that $25 you paid paid for a great comic, it didn't buy my political allegiance until the end of time".

Even in the closing months of 2020, the union between CG "activist" and CG "professional creator" is still rocky and filled with regular class conflict.




Taking the stance of "pro-Creator", Jon del Arroz/@TheCosmicWarrior of Flying Sparks begins a thorough deconstruction of the sad creature he labels "The Youtube Comic Complainer", embodied by the (alleged by JDA) conspiratorial gatekeeper that is the creator of Soulfinder and "OGCG" emeritus, Douglas Ernst. It's become clear to Jon that the Youtube Comic Complainer has proven themselves to be little more than a subset of gamma male that attempts to get what he wants - the childish and pathetic fantasy of one day writing for spIdEyMaN - by whining and complaining in the futile effort to get Marvel and DC's notice - instead of doing the real work of raising the quality of his craft and honing it to a professional level.

Too beholden to the IPs of sprawling multinational corporations to truly be a culture warrior and not talented enough to be accepted by said mainstream corporations, Ernst and other Youtube Comic Complainers exist in a kind of limbo; men who can neither truly occupy a place within the culture or counterculture. Such is the plight of the Eternal Gamma, met with righteous scorn from Del Arroz. Comics are past the point of reform and the only remedy is death (by fire) for the sickness infecting it. Jon knows these words won't be received well with everyone.

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And, as his one time Peter Simeti co-investigator Captain Cummings here proved, they weren't.




(Edit: Re-uploaded after Wenger took down the original video from his channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqG0YqasZkk )

Taking the (surprising) stance of pro-activist in CG, Matt Wenger/@Wenger, author of Super Harem and creator of DRAGOON KNIGHT ALDRAKE, took to youtube to voice his complaints of gatekeeping at the hands of CG Creators such as @FROG , Shane Davis and Cecil. Efapping a Frog snorestream picking apart some Joe Biden gaffes, Wenger opens his video at the timestamp where Frog shut down some of Wenger's bit about COVID-19 being harmless (99.8% survival rate) by telling the audience that even those that survive have permanently damaged lung tissue. Frog's motives for cutting off his fellow CGer are nebulous, perhaps Kyle Ritter's infection giving him a moment for pause. Wenger though suspects something sinister, only intensified when Frog's dumbass chat agrees with Wenger's dumbass take - the Comicsgate proletariat are gathering around their champion, and it is not Frog.

After a brief digression into Tom Hanks' complicity with Jeffrey Epstein and pedophilia by the intellectuals at ComicArtistPro Secrets, Wenger cuts to the heart of the matter - the CG gatekeepers (Frog and Cecil) have always felt insecure and threatened around Wenger and have heaped regular mockery and pressure against him since the beginning in an attempt to push him out. But the chat was behind Wenger then and they are behind Wenger now. People who presume to gatekeep on behalf of the chat are punished for their hubris, our auteur citing the downfalls of Edwin Boyette and Ro Kabir. Frog might think his case is different, but it's not. And Frog's pointed declining to endorse his latest crowdfund project, DRAGOON KNIGHT ALDRAKE, is going against the pro-Aldrake sentiment of the CG Youtube proletariat.


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For context, it should be mentioned that Aldrake has pulled in less then 1/7th the proceeds that Super Harem's 2 has and Frog's inexplicable hesitance to lend his name behind this crowdfund is costing it steeply, the dropoff in funding comparable to others who were forced from CG entirely. But even though the chat wants to see the sales pitch for Aldrake, Frog will not hear it out - going so far as to turn off his camera when Wenger forces the subject in an act of ultimate disrespect. Wenger has a small platform and wants to be everyone's friend, but this unwarranted treatment (to say nothing of the perceived YT counterprogramming done by Frog) aren't going to be suffered in silence. Perhaps most revealingly, Wenger closes by saying that he has nothing to lose by doing this and that the gatekeepers can either apologize or risk going the way of all gatekeepers.





Frog had an hour and a half rebuttal to Wenger's 12 minute video, which could be described as a mixture of confusion and sadness that another friend and ally has turned on him. His turning the camera off was an unannounced urination break. This also forces Frog to broach the subject of quality control within Comicsgate, the reason for his silence on which works he feels merit patronage is a matter of professional discretion, and that an open, airing out of his frank opinions on comic quality may not work in Wenger's favor. Regardless, he instructs the chat to let Wenger know that he still likes him and hopes he would continue to be his friend.
 
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It's all true. It's not the guy who loves the sound of his own voice almost as much as money in his pocket, it's everyone else who has a problem.

So herein lies the eternal question: If the emperor has no clothes but all he cares about is money, did the unseen bear shit in the woods when he heard the sound of a tree falling?

I don't know, but I appreciate having a window into this man's empty soul. The only reason he's been so generous with his monologues lately is the general money anesthesia.
 
He's probably trying to keep out of the constant negative exposure from his acting career. All Ethan has to do is post Preston's screenshots. I'm fairly certain at this point there's not much he can legally do about it. It's a real shame but he brought it on himself.

I guess the police won't be taking Ethan away in handcuffs, like Peggy and his simps were insisting was gonna happen, REAL SOON NOW.
 
Absolutely true, but if Comicsgate was about taking away the power of gatekeepers that enforce their radical ideology, people being allowed to come back into the establishment comic industry after not only declaring themselves conservatives but Comicsgate, cannot be taken as anything other than a win on CG's part. There'd be no way forward for social justice comics twitter except for having to say either say that the biggest employers are now "pro-Nazi" or walk back their rhetoric leveled against CG. But it's also a perfect example where the principles behind Comicsgate (at least as outlined by Zack) clashing with the community that has been built to help realize those principles. It's also a narrative that sounds suspiciously similar to the one levelled against Doug TenNapel, who's response was "that $25 you paid paid for a great comic, it didn't buy my political allegiance until the end of time".

Even in the closing months of 2020, the union between CG "activist" and CG "professional creator" is still rocky and filled with regular class conflict.




Taking the stance of "pro-Creator", Jon del Arroz/@TheCosmicWarrior of Flying Sparks begins a thorough deconstruction of the sad creature he labels "The Youtube Comic Complainer", embodied by the (alleged by JDA) conspiratorial gatekeeper that is the creator of Soulfinder and "OGCG" emeritus, Douglas Ernst. It's become clear to Jon that the Youtube Comic Complainer has proven themselves to be little more than a subset of gamma male that attempts to get what he wants - the childish and pathetic fantasy of one day writing for spIdEyMaN - by whining and complaining in the futile effort to get Marvel and DC's notice - instead of doing the real work of raising the quality of his craft and honing it to a professional level.

Too beholden to the IPs of sprawling multinational corporation's IPs to truly be a culture warrior and not talented enough to be accepted by said mainstream corporations, Ernst and other Youtube Comic Complainers exist in a kind of limbo; men who can neither truly occupy a place within the culture or counterculture. Such is the plight of the Eternal Gamma, met with righteous scorn from Del Arroz. Comics are past the point of reform and the only remedy is death (by fire) for the sickness infecting it. Jon knows these words won't be received well with everyone.

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And, as his one time Peter Simeti co-investigator Captain Cummings here proved, they weren't.






Taking the (surprising) stance of pro-activist in CG, Matt Wenger / @Wenger , author of Super Harem and creator of DRAGOON KNIGHT ALDRAKE, took to youtube to voice his complaints of gatekeeping at the hands of CG Creators such as @FROG , Shane Davis and Cecil. Efapping a Frog snorestream picking apart some Joe Biden gaffes, Wenger opens his video at the timestamp where Frog shut down some of Wenger's bit about COVID-19 being harmless (99.8% survival rate) by telling the audience that even those that survive have permanently damaged lung tissue. Frog's motives for cutting off his fellow CGer are nebulous, perhaps Kyle Ritter's infection giving him a moment for pause. Wenger though suspects something sinister, only intensified when Frog's dumbass chat agrees with Wenger's dumbass take - the Comicsgate proletariat are gathering around their champion, and it is not Frog.

After a brief digression into Tom Hanks' complicity with Jeffrey Epstein and pedophilia by the intellectuals at ComicArtistPro Secrets, Wenger cuts to the heart of the matter - the CG gatekeepers (Frog and Cecil) have always felt insecure and threatened around Wenger and have heaped regular mockery and pressure against him since the beginning in an attempt to push him out. But the chat was behind Wenger then and they are behind Wenger now. People who presume to gatekeep on behalf of the chat are punished for their hubris, our auteur citing the downfalls of Edwin Boyette and Ro Kabir. Frog might think his case is different, but it's not. And Frog's pointed declining to endorse his latest crowdfund project, DRAGOON KNIGHT ALDRAKE, is going against the pro-sentiment will of the CG Youtube proletariat.


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For context, it should be mentioned that Aldrake has pulled in less then 1/7th the proceeds that Super Harem's 2 has and Frog's inexplicable hesitance to lend his name behind this crowdfund is costing it steeply, the dropoff in funding comparable to others who were forced from CG entirely. But even though the chat wants to see the sales pitch for Aldrake, Frog will not hear it out - going so far as to turn off his camera when Wenger forces the subject in an act of ultimate disrespect. Wenger has a small platform and wants to be everyone's friend, but this unwarranted treatment (to say nothing of the perceived YT counterprogramming done by Frog) aren't going to be suffered in silence. Perhaps most revealingly, Wenger closes by saying that he has nothing to lose by doing this and that the gatekeepers can either apologize or risk going the way of all gatekeepers.





Frog had an hour and a half rebuttal to Wenger's 12 minute video, which could be described as a mixture of confusion and sadness that another friend and ally has turned on him. His turning the camera off was an unannounced urination break. This also forces Frog to broach the subject of quality control within Comicsgate, the reason for his silence on which works he feels merit patronage is a matter of professional discretion, and that an open, airing out of his frank opinions on comic quality may not work in Wenger's favor.

So many of these smaller-name CG projects really just look so fucking bad, goddamn.

I get that you can’t exactly splurge on the internal art if you’re trying to make a 144-page graphic novel, but... well, at that point, maybe don’t go for that many pages to begin with.
 
So I stopped following a lot of the CG drama, especially as it relates to the Ethan Derangement Syndrome crowd, but I happened to catch the video that JDA made about Douglas Ernst and found that JDA had alienated more people, with Cummings and Preston no longer siding with him. I was trying to find out what happened, without having to go through a bunch of videos and avoiding the cancer that is Twitter, and found this page. I didn't find what I was looking for but I did find some amusing shit-flinging, and thought maybe someone here could shed light on what happened.
 
@Mister Dongs Now the question would be which CG, are we talking about the Arthurian myth of the OGCG of Ernst and Yah Boi? Where characters are treated with respect and writers and artist don't put SJW lecturing in comics? Or are we talking about Frog's CG, the one soaked in gay ops, IBS and grift thrones? Because the first would be happy to have their Spider-Man or batman as how they remembered them and not rock the industry boat. If it was later, Frog would spray paint himself gold, wear a crown and call himself King E and how he made them great. And I don't think artists would let some egomaniac have that power over them.

Then who the heck does Wenger think he is? Charging $25 for what amounts to tumblr art? It really show the lack of Quality control that is the current CG. It doesn't help that the "Big" CG names of Malin, Frog and Cecil books are an :optimistic: year out which chills the hype of supporting these smaller creators.
 
@Wenger you demand respect and threaten roasting for those who won't give it to you, but I feel disrespected by the quality of the product you are trying to sell me, and I believe you are incapable of roasting so much as a potato.

So let me turn the heat up on you, mr potato head - show yourself on here, and face critique for this 'comic' you are offering. Face the farmers' wrath, eat the pitchforks, or else your whole false narrative of gatekeeping will come crashing down upon you.

Your move, potato man. Check and mate. I had been very excited to see this 'comic that the CG gatekeepers tried to bury', but the screenshot provided by M. Dongs suggests it was buried for a very good reason - crapness.
 
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