2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[Pointless Pedant]

Based on this, if it's at all accurate, then I think Trump has better chances in PA than MI.

Probably. PA looks like the big tipping point state this time, especially after Biden's fracking flip flop losing some of his vote there. It's also the focus of a lot of campaigning.

 

[Inventor of the Telephone]

The screenshots say someone is reading their texts, implying that's how they knew the documents were en route so they could be intercepted.

But those texts are being sent via iMessage, not regular SMS. That means they are encrypted end to end. No one else can read their texts.

Thanks, you're right. I misunderstood.

As far as no one being able to read them... I don't know. Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc. are all required to have backdoors and are open books to intelligence in most ways, so maybe their secure messaging is not so secure?

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Probably. PA looks like the big tipping point state this time, especially after Biden's fracking flip flop losing some of his vote there. It's also the focus of a lot of campaigning.

Not to mention the rioting that's happening in Philly. I don't think that's going to energize any voters outside of Trump supporters.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Lol sure you're a left-wing moderate that's voting for Trump. If you're truly moderate-left, his SC nominees alone should give you reason to not vote for him.

Is there something in particular about Trump's Supreme Court nominees that should scare a left-leaning moderate from voting for Trump?

I'm asking because your implied "you're not a true left-wing moderate if you vote for Trump" sounds a lot like Joe Biden's "if you don't know whether to vote for me or Trump, then you ain't black"; it's frankly bigoted, No True Scotsman garbage. You don't get to tell people that/how they "should" vote one way or the other if they want to fit your ideas of what certain political categories are.

 

[Reverend]

Thanks, you're right. I misunderstood.

As far as no one being able to read them... I don't know. Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc. are all required to have backdoors and are open books to intelligence in most ways, so maybe their secure messaging is not so secure?

No you are utterly wrong as none of the 3 companies are REQUIRED to have back doors.

Google and MS bent over and gave the gov't backend access. Apple does NOT have any backdoor or other way to intercept messages or 'break' the encryption that their imessages have. Apple has fought HARD to tell the US Gov't, FBI, NSA to go fuck themselves as once they open pandora's box EVERY gov't will want these keys. Apple has one of the strongest End to End Encryption schemas in the industry.

Example:

https://www.wired.com/story/the-time-tim-cook-stood-his-ground-against-fbi/

Now there's nothing stopping apple from working with the gov't to access itunes accounts, that's different than any "Man in the MIddle" attacks that Tucker Boomerson thinks is happening.

All it takes is some other dumbass to login to another IOS device with the account in question and you can stream/dl all those messages. This is allowed and permitted by Apple.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Is there something in particular about Trump's Supreme Court nominees that should scare a left-leaning moderate from voting for Trump?

I'm asking because your implied "you're not a true left-wing moderate if you vote for Trump" sounds a lot like Joe Biden's "if you don't know whether to vote for me or Trump, then you ain't black"; it's frankly bigoted, No True Scotsman garbage. You don't get to tell people that they "should" vote one way or the other if they want to fit your ideas of what certain political categories are.

Conservative justices are more likely to rule the ACA unconstitutional and rein in use of the commerce clause, which would undo a lot of progressive policies which have existed since FDR.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

I think that Florida is pretty much safe for Trump at this point, and I would say the same about Ohio.

Historically, a Presidential candidate has never lost the election if they've won Ohio. Could this be the first time that happens, though? I think it's very possible.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

How? We're not in an Iranian War or a real World War III.

Don't ask me. I'm just as baffled by the logic.
Supposedly "no different than Bush or Obama!11" but it doesn't make sense to me. Either way at least they aren't voting for Biden.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Conservative justices are more likely to rule the ACA unconstitutional and rein in use of the commerce clause, which would undo a lot of progressive policies which have existed since FDR.

I don't think a reasonably informed left-leaning moderate would care too much about Obamacare, or the commerce clause, of all things.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Don't ask me. I'm just as baffled by the logic.
Supposedly "no different than Bush or Obama!11" but it doesn't make sense to me. Either way at least they aren't voting for Biden.

Iran did try to retaliate for the assassination, but their attempts at attacking American bases in Iraq went nowhere and it all petered out. If they had been more competent it might have ended badly, but at any rate it's not relevant to this election.

 

[tehpope]

I think that Florida is pretty much safe for Trump at this point, and I would say the same about Ohio.

Historically, a Presidential candidate has never lost the election if they've won Ohio. Could this be the first time that happens, though? I think it's very possible.

This is clown world. The rules of old don't apply.

 

[Salubrious]

I think that Florida is pretty much safe for Trump at this point, and I would say the same about Ohio.

Historically, a Presidential candidate has never lost the election if they've won Ohio. Could this be the first time that happens, though? I think it's very possible.

How weird would it be after all these years for Trump to win Florida and Ohio and yet still lose the election?

I think Baris made one key point for me: Trump is losing Independents because a lot of the Independents that were reluctant to vote for Trump in 2016 are just flat out Republicans now. So the media can say Trump is losing a percentage of Independents and be technically correct (the best kind of correct), but Trump isn't actually losing voters - they are just referring to themselves differently.

 

[BlackDragoons]

I can sense his low testosterone aura through my screen, yuck.

This guy holy shit. They could have just fucking emailed pdf files to them.


This is such a bs story my dog could smell it on the moon.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

This guy holy shit. They could have just fucking emailed pdf files to them.


This is such a bs story my dog could smell it on the moon.

There's more than enough even without Tucker, and very likely more to come in the future. I don't know what the fuck Tucker Carlson thinks he's doing, but whatever it is, he should either shape up or stop doing it.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

How weird would it be after all these years for Trump to win Florida and Ohio and yet still lose the election?

I think Baris made one key point for me: Trump is losing Independents because a lot of the Independents that were reluctant to vote for Trump in 2016 are just flat out Republicans now. So the media can say Trump is losing a percentage of Independents and be technically correct (the best kind of correct), but Trump isn't actually losing voters - they are just referring to themselves differently.

That, and Baris' comments about how people in MI are much more uncomfortable revealing their politics are hopefully very telling.

Let's face it: If you are uncomfortable telling people who you are voting for, you are more than likely a Trump supporter. There's literally ZERO consequences from proudly professing you are a Biden supporter (and there shouldn't be; there should be no consequences no matter who you say you are voting for).

 

[Salubrious]

That, and Baris' comments about how people in MI are much more uncomfortable revealing their politics are hopefully very telling.

Let's face it: If you are uncomfortable telling people who you are voting for, you are more than likely a Trump supporter. There's literally ZERO consequences from proudly professing you are a Biden supporter (and there shouldn't be; there should be no consequences no matter who you say you are voting for).

I mean, we're at the point now where I've lost friends for saying "maybe someone shouldn't charge the police with a knife"?

 

[jje100010001]

I feel a little positive of Trump winning. But I feel I should prepare myself for the worst as well

The establishment cathedral is doing as much as it can under the table for Biden. Who knows what undemocratic garbage they're going to try to pull off?

Gut feeling:
- PA, MI and NC are at risk for voter fraud (especially considering Democrat missives to stymie poll monitors and the extended ballot deadlines)
- They are trying to bury the Biden story- i.e. Tucker's copies being stolen, Big Tech suppressing the story via social media.
- Cyberattacks may occur more towards the election date (i.e. Trump's site being hacked, funds being stolen from the Republicans).
- Things like the 'second wave' may be used as excuses for shutting down polling stations (https://www.npr.org/2020/10/29/9283...-covid-19-it-could-tip-races-in-1-swing-state)

Here's hoping the Repubicans can outmaneuver this- I feel like it's either going to be nail-biting into the early hours, or an early Trump victory- all based on whether or not that 'Trump majority' really exists.

 

[The Pink Panther]

it will be a billionaire magnate like Trump was.

Bloomberg 2024?

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Bloomberg 2024?

I doubt it, he'll be too old and his campaign bombed this time round. It's too early to speculate anyway.

 

[Clockwork_PurBle]

What makes you guys think there'd be a "red wave" in 2022 if we get Harris administration?