2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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We talk about the secret Trump voter, and rightfully so.

Is there a single instance of non-TDS where people are assembling for Biden in greater numbers than Trump? That's one of the reasons I don't believe this election is as close as TEH POLEZ tell me it is.

BLM/Antifa don't count because those people don't side with Biden either.
The hidden Trump voter is people who are embarrassed to vote for him or are scared of the repurcussions of saying so. I am not surprised that the hidden vote is women.

There are cookie polls like this all over the Rust Belt, in PA, WI and MN, showing Trump beating Biden 2-1 at worst, a complete inverse of 2016. Women will lie to pollsters and others, but they will go to their favorite bakery in the area (or order it online which is even better for their privacy like a voting booth), see a cookie poll, and feel comfortable with buying the Trump one. That is something Baris unfortunately can't account for: natural behavior over being interrogated about your vote by a pollster.

This could also mean that the Biden woman vote is demoralized. Dunno. We shall see.
 
I know we are in our little bubble here and could be wrong, but everyone I talk to has a similar reaction to current events. They all voted Trump as well but only revealed it in confidence.

My gut is telling me he will win, but there are always shenanigans involved so it has me nervous.
That just how I feel.

I see all these people talking about how they didn't vote for Trump in 2016 but they will now.

It's funny. People said Hillary lost because people were confident that she would win so they stated home. I'm not saying there's nothing to that, but I haven't seen nearly anyone say "I didn't vote for Hillary in 2016, Trump has been a disaster, I'm voting Biden in 2020."

Again, I'm looking at the map differently than most. Trump had 304 electoral votes in 2016. Which ones does he lose in 2020? I guess the closest one is Pennsylvania, but I'm not seeing it. I'm cautiously optimistic I guess.
 
The hidden Trump voter is people who are embarrassed to vote for him or are scared of the repurcussions of saying so. I am not surprised that the hidden vote is women.

There are cookie polls like this all over the Rust Belt, in PA, WI and MN, showing Trump beating Biden 2-1 at worst, a complete inverse of 2016. Women will lie to pollsters and others, but they will go to their favorite bakery in the area (or order it online which is even better for their privacy like a voting booth), see a cookie poll, and feel comfortable with buying the Trump one. That is something Baris unfortunately can't account for: natural behavior over being interrogated about your vote by a pollster.

This could also mean that the Biden woman vote is demoralized. Dunno. We shall see.
Shutting out one side of the conversation by blocking basically all conservatives is what is making this hard. Dems have every nasty trick in the book to silence opponents.

People hate being silent, and I don't think dems see the undercurrent brewing from their actions. Maybe the silent majority is just a meme, maybe not. We'll find out soon.
 
Pretty ironic when Hillary has spent the past four years blaming everyone but herself, and acting entitled to power and the presidency. Same thing with the Democratic Party in general; they act entitled to power and that they don't have to earn it, and that their voters will just vote for them no matter how awful they are. That's a core reason that has turned me away from them, and why I'm never voting for them again.
I could see myself voting Democrat in the future, but only if these changes are made first:
  • No more catering to woke politics
  • No more support for BLM/AntiFa
  • No more putting multinationals above small businesses
  • No more endless lockdowns
  • No more guilting people that don’t vote “the right way”
  • No more moralizing and lording over people for being supposedly better, while being guilty of the things they accuse their opponents of
 
Shutting out one side of the conversation by blocking basically all conservatives is what is making this hard. Dems have every nasty trick in the book to silence opponents.

People hate being silent, and I don't think dems see the undercurrent brewing from their actions. Maybe the silent majority is just a meme, maybe not. We'll find out soon.
Let's say my ridiculously optimistic prediction holds up and Trump eeeks out the popular vote.

Do you think Democrats will take ANY time to self-reflect on this?

I don't. They'll just REEE that we are now MORE racist than ever before. That four years of Trump has emboldened the white supremacist Proud Boys movement to come out in the open now.

The idea that people turned on the Democrats because they were fucking nuts, or because they were threatening to lock everyone down and take their oil jobs away, will never even be considered.
 
President is the only one with a national age restriction. States sometimes have their own restrictions. I'm aware of people who were elected mayor of tiny towns before they could vote.


IIRC, I think you also have to be 25 to serve in the House and 30 for the Senate and then you got all those state laws as well.

I do agree with this, but man I just think those two demographics are slowly dwindling. Just a gut feeling.

I'm still going with Trump winning the popular vote by 250K. I don't think the California gap will be enough to cover the rest of the country this time. I just feel like everything is shifting slightly to the right. Or maybe I just want to believe that.

For those that don't remember, Hillary won California by 4.3 million and Trump won the rest of the country by 1.4 million, so Hillary won the popular vote by 2.9 million.

If Trump does manage to win the electoral vote, he'll more likely than not get the popular vote since that would mean Trump gets enough votes over the margin of error to where the Dems couldn't feasibly fix it for Biden.

I think part of why Hillary won despite being hated is because not only of California but that a lot of people were jazzed about the first woman president on principle. That could've played a role in the turnout in a lot of deep blue states like California.

With Biden, I don't see him getting a higher turnout in California than Hillary Clinton did in 2016. Especially with Kamala Harris as his VP. IIRC, Kamala's hated by most Californians, especially the crucial black vote and only keeps her incumbency because she's a Democrat in the bluest state in the country.

If another Democrat tried to primary her, she'd probably be gone from the Senate and the challenger would win that seat instead.
 
Anyone who advocates for originalism is batshit insane. She wants to bring us back to the original constitution, when women couldn't vote and black people were enslaved. As the world progresses, times change. A supreme court judge should be aware of that.
I really hope you are trolling, HHH.If so, bravo. If not, that is pretty retarded. There's good arguments against originalism, such as applying it meticulously requires us to constantly re-ratify the constitution (which Jefferson thought was a good idea), but yours is... yeah...
 
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If Trump does manage to win the electoral vote, he'll more likely than not get the popular vote since that would mean Trump gets enough votes over the margin of error to where the Dems couldn't feasibly fix it for Biden.

I think part of why Hillary won despite being hated is because not only of California but that a lot of people were jazzed about the first woman president on principle. That could've played a role in the turnout in a lot of deep blue states like California.

With Biden, I don't see him getting a higher turnout in California than Hillary Clinton did in 2016. Especially with Kamala Harris as his VP. IIRC, Kamala's hated by most Californians, especially the crucial black vote and only keeps her incumbency because she's a Democrat in the bluest state in the country.

If another Democrat tried to primary her, she'd probably be gone from the Senate and the challenger would win that seat instead.
I think Biden has to win the popular vote by 4 or 5% to win the election. If Trump wins the popular vote by 0.25% like I predict, Trump wins the Electoral College by some ridiculously huge margin like Obama's 2008 win.

Also as you mentioned that nobody is pointing out: there will be a small percentage of people out of the 125 million or 150 million, that vote for Trump because he's the incumbent. He's the devil they know.

Is Kamala truly this hated by anyone not infected with idpol? Is that why I see people talking about a "red wave" in 2022 if we end up with that administration?

The great irony of Kamala is that she's literally everything BLM claims to be fighting against. That's why I hate the bitch. But vote blue no matter who.
 
I could see myself voting Democrat in the future, but only if these changes are made first:
  • No more catering to woke politics
  • No more support for BLM/AntiFa
  • No more putting multinationals above small businesses
  • No more endless lockdowns
  • No more guilting people that don’t vote “the right way”
  • No more moralizing and lording over people for being supposedly better, while being guilty of the things they accuse their opponents of
So things that will never happen. Welcome to the Republican Party.
 
I found a rather interesting analysis

Who is going to win? That is the question everyone is asking.

After 24 years and 1,283 political campaign victories, including three winning U.S. Presidential races, I will break down how I see the race heading into Election Day.

Our partnership with the largest data collection, analytics, and AI company in the United States has given me a behind the scenes look at what’s really going on with American voters. Utilizing our database of 200 million+ Americans, 550 million+ connected devices, tracking 10 billion+ daily online decisions, and over 1 trillion daily searches, and comparing it to all the other outside data and polling, I have a unique perspective on how this election will turn out (and we’ve given this data away for free since March).

Hold on tight. It’s not what you think…

Here’s the thing, 99% of this election is not about persuading undecided voters. There are too few left. I believe this election is about how the candidates and their campaigns motivate their supporters to get out and vote. My breakdown is not close to what you will read in the mainstream media. Let’s dive in.

1. STATE OF THE VOTERS:​

Two storylines have emerged in the final weeks. The mainstream and left-wing media outlets have already assumed a Biden victory is in the bag. For example: As of this writing, The Economist gives Biden a 96% to win the election. Their reasoning?

  • Almost every public media poll has Biden up big, both nationally and in key electoral states. You can check out how they aggregate the polls here.
  • An unprecedented voter turnout that has already occurred can only benefit Joe Biden (with the presumption that it’s a highly motivated anti-Trump vote). Here is one example.
On the other hand, Trump supporters are more confident in a victory than at any point since the pandemic began, due to a few factors:

  • Universal distrust in the national media polling (which got it wrong in 2016) and a belief in new voter modeling pointing to Trump momentum in key states heading into Election Day.
  • The belief in strong leadership in uncertain times will carry Trump to election victory.
  • Optimism with the economic comeback and the promise of a COVID-19 vaccine.

2. TOP MOTIVATIONS DRIVING VOTERS TO THE POLLS:​

  • Biden Voters. The top issues motivating Biden voters to get out and vote? They deal almost exclusively in non-policy issues, including:
    1. Fervently Anti-Trump — A vote against Trump is more important than a vote for Biden.
    2. Continued fear around the coronavirus and wanting new leadership to address the pandemic differently.
    3. Returning decency to the White House.
  • Trump Voters. The top issues motivating Trump’s voters to get out and vote? Much like Biden voters, Trump supporters are motivated to turn out by Trump himself. But they are motivated by specific policy issues, as well:
    1. Loyalty to Trumpism and a belief that Trump will continue to be the Molotov cocktail to the entire federal government/mainstream media apparatus.
    2. Belief that Trump’s record on the economy will continue to pull us out of the economic calamity.
    3. Belief that Trump’s leadership will keep us safe from COVID-19, China, wokeism, lawlessness, liberal policies, and biased news media.
  • Independent/non-affiliated swing voters that are turning out in large numbers this election are motivated by:
    1. Voting for need not want — We’ve seen this in our data since April as the driving force for Americans making political and economic decisions. And I’ve written about this concept here. This pool of Americans are voting based on what they “need” in these uncertain times vs. what they “want” to vote for (“Want” would have been the choice in the pre-coronavirus world when life was blissful and there was more “certainty” in our society).
    2. Safety, safety, safety — As we’ve seen for months, voters are motivated by the need for safety above all else, which I’ve written about here and here. They want certainty and want our president to protect and grow the economy, keep our streets safe, and protect us from the virus (by finding a cure).
    3. Optimistic leadership — The “doom and gloom” messaging is over for these voters. They want to see optimism and strength from their president.

3. VOTERS ARE BEING MISLED HEADING INTO ELECTION DAY IN THREE WAYS:​

  • Most media polling is not scientific, and “national media polls” are completely useless. If we’ve learned anything since 2016, it’s that public polling is all over the place. The reason being is that Americans have drastically changed their communication habits to take polls (away from relying too heavily on live phone calls to text and social media surveying). I could write an entire post on this one topic, but for brevity’s sake, here are four reasons public polling gets it wrong over and over again.
    1. Most public polls rely too heavily on live callers for their methodology.
    2. Most public polls sample too many Democratic voters and too few Republican voters.
    3. Most public polls rely on surveying “registered voters” (too many unlikely voters in their sample) rather than “likely voters.”
    4. Most public polls take too long to conduct and use pre-approved voters that agree to be polled in advance (rather than polling them randomly).
Unfortunately for you, the most accurate polling companies are conducting private polls — which are not released to the public. However, there are outliers — pay attention to the polling firms that have consistently gotten it right in recent elections. For example, The Trafalgar Group is one of the only polling firms that picked Trump to win in 2016. They are also a complete innovator, disruptor, and outlier in polling methodology — and now they are releasing some of their polls publicly (another interesting outlier survey firm to pay attention to right now Invisibly.com).

  • Little acknowledgment by the mainstream media and polling companies of the “Social Desirability Bias” and the “Shy Trump Voter.” In today’s cancel culture, a large percentage of voters are falling into these two categories. The “Social Desirability Bias” is when a voter answers a polling operator in a way that makes them look best (in the eyes of the person asking the question). The voter may say they are voting for Biden or Trump in a poll but take the exact opposite position when voting on election day. The “Shy Trump Voter,” on the other hand, was a proven fact in 2016. Spectrum News recently defined the “Shy Trump Voter”: “A recent online study that found Republicans and independents are twice as likely as Democrats to admit to withholding their true preference to public opinion pollsters about who they will vote for in the presidential election is reviving claims of the “shy Trump voter.”
  • Social media’s manipulation of you and the election. I wrote here and here about social media’s looming disruption, largely because of the overt biases toward President Trump and his supporters. For the purposes of this presidential election, consider these three points:
    1. Twitter life is not real life. Glenn Greenwald, a liberal journalist, recently tweeted data from the Pew Research Center: “Just 10% of [Twitter] users produced 92% of all tweets from US adults since last November, and 69% of these highly prolific users identify as Democrats or Democratic-leaning independents.”
    2. Social Media censorship is backfiring. Two recent examples include: This excellent expose’ from liberal journalist Matt Taibbi and this “Project Veritas” expose’ on Google censoring searches.
    3. Restriction on social media political advertising in the final week of the political election cycle. While you might like seeing less political ads on social media platforms, this is another attempt to suppress free speech. When candidates and their campaigns are banned from advertising on social media platforms (at a time voters are paying the most attention to the election) but able to advertise on traditional TV, radio, physical mail, and email, social media platforms hardly pass the smell test.
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4. 8 KEY FACTORS THAT WILL ALSO DECIDE THIS ELECTION:​

  • Where’s Hunter Biden? According to our data, the Hunter Biden story has had a big effect on voters. The left-wing and mainstream media’s attempt at suppressing this story has created a reverse-effect on some undecided and low-propensity voters (who believe Joe Biden will bring honor and decency to the Oval Office). These voters are now digging into the story (social media platforms that banned the story have created more desire to learn what happened). This “nothing to see here” story will factor into the final vote.
  • Riots and lawlessness in mostly Democratic cities. While the riots have not affected Democratic voters in Democratic cities, I see data that says it’s resonating with Republican voters who strongly oppose the riots and chaos. For example, the riots in Philadelphia, PA this week will drive more voters in Western Pennsylvania to vote to reelect President Trump.
  • It’s the economy stupid. In my opinion, this recent statistic from NBC/Wall Street Journal will be a HUGE factor in deciding who will win. They surveyed: “Compared to 4 years ago…
    My family and I are… Better off: 50% Worse off: 34%
    The country overall is… Better off: 38% Worse off: 58%
    Will “economy first” voters break for Trump due to their family being better off now than four years ago? Or will they factor in how the country is doing? And how will this impact the 3rd quarter economic numbers (just released) showing the American economy growing at a historic pace?
  • How will newly registered voters in swing states affect Election Day?Having run a Get Out The Vote operation for a winning presidential campaign, I can tell you that newly registered voters are the hardest to turn out to vote due to zero or inconsistent voting behavior in previous elections. That being said, with a very narrow election in the balance (and a highly motivated voter base), new voter registration numbers in three key states are something to pay attention to:
    1. In Pennsylvania, Republicans have netted around 100,000 more voters than Democrats since 2016.
    2. In North Carolina, Republicans have added around 113,000 new voters since 2016.
    3. In Florida, Republicans have gained close to 200,000 newly registered voters compared to 2016.
  • Three racial groups will have a huge impact on this election. Working-class white voters, African-American voters, and Hispanic voters are the three segments (in the seven battleground states) that will determine who wins the election. Do working-class white voters in the rustbelt (who voted twice for Obama and then Trump in 2016) stick with Trump or defect to Biden? Does Trump over-perform his surprisingly good 2016 results with African-American voters and Hispanic voters? Something strange is going on in the electorate with minority voters too. I see in the data that African-American and Hispanic support for Trump has grown to historical levels (compared to past Republican presidential candidates). And I also saw three key societal indicators (two of which we found in our data) showing:
    1. Majority support across all races for police funding.
    2. 87–92% of all Americans wanted athletes to stop preaching about Black Lives Matter and stick to sports, yet Democrats have doubled-downed on these two issues throughout the campaign.
    3. The unprecedented affiliation or support for President Trump (and his policies) by artists like Lil Wayne, Kanye West, 50 Cent, and Ice Cube has exponentially increased Trump’s favorability in the African-American community.
  • The brand factor — Whose brand will win? In 2016 the “Make America Great Again” slogan was the most influential brand and helped carry Trump to victory. The brand fight right now is about:
    1. The appearance of “strength” vs. the appearance of “weakness”: Trump is deliberate in projecting strength right now by returning to normal activity (after beating the virus and telling voters not to be afraid of it), holding rallies, and rarely wearing a mask. Biden appears weak (in contrast) by hiding in his house, constantly wearing a mask (in front of the media), and suggesting more lockdowns. Dilbert creator and contrarian Scott Adamsrecently laid it out like this:
    “Trump’s “leave it all on the field, happy warrior” campaign strategy for the closing week is brilliant. We are wired to appreciate conspicuous effort, and we overweight whatever is happening recently. He sponges up the news cycles, creates massive contrast to barely sentient Biden, and Trump’s extreme workload to entertain his supporters triggers the base to give back. Humans are wired for reciprocity. Trump works hard, so the least you can do is return the favor and vote. Shifting to happy warrior mode, especially coming off his most “presidential” debate performance, makes the few undecideds wonder if they misjudged him. Every time you see Trump intentionally shift his performance mode to fit the situation, he seems smarter and less scary. You start to understand why he treats dictators well — because it works — while aggressively putting America first. Trump also takes advantage of the pattern-spotting part of your brain that believes he outworked Clinton in 2016 and something like that is happening again. And when we imagine a future, we tend to unconsciously bias our actions toward it. Meaning legendary GOP turnout.”
    2. Decency vs. Crassness: I don’t need to explain this one — I think you understand the brands here. The question is, will it define the vote?
  • Voter fraud? Republicans say that Democratic Party voter fraud might cost Trump the election (especially in key states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and North Carolina). Democrats say that’s nonsense. But by mid-November, we’ll have a deep understanding of how important this ended up being to the final result.
  • The GET OUT THE VOTE campaign. I’m a firm believer that an effective, organized, and well-funded GOTV campaign can net a candidate 1–2 additional points on Election Day. The Biden campaign has ceded the operation to 3rd party groups. The Trump campaign has spent over $100 million on this effort.

5. MY PREDICTION — HERE IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN:​

I’ve spent 24 years in politics, I’ve been a part of 1,283 winning elections. Here is my prediction on the total vote, the popular vote winner and the electoral vote winner:
  • WHO WINS ON THE CRITICAL POLICY ISSUES? In our data, I’m seeing a huge swing with voters seeking safety with ending the riots, funding of law enforcement, growing of the economy — which grew at its fastest pace in history in the 3rd quarter — and a desire for a COVID-19 vaccine. These all favor Trump. I am not only seeing this amongst working-class white voters, but also with African-American and Hispanic voters.
  • WHO WINS THE BRAND WAR? The clear winner on what drives the brand message is strength over weakness. As indicated above, Trump has defined himself with certainty on his strength, reinforcing the voters’ inner unconsciousness of seeking safety. These voters may hold their nose and vote for Trump, but they know they will be safer by doing it.
  • SWING STATE OUTLOOK. The “Shy Trump Voter’’ is one of the most underreported factors of this election. It was a proven fact in 2016, and it has only grown in the last four years. For example, do you think a suburban mom in Pennsylvania is going to tell a random polling operator that she is voting for Trump? No way. She fears if she explains her vote, she will be “exposed,” or worse, canceled. Robert Cahaly of the aforementioned mentioned Trafalgar Group, thinks there is a 5–9% underreported vote for Trump (in each of the key swing states). While it may be that big, I will assume it represents an additional 2–5 points from what we are seeing in public polls. In addition, the Trump campaign’s Get Out The Vote apparatus is head and shoulders better than the Biden campaign. Therefore, I believe it’s worth 1% additional point for Trump in these swing states. Considering the “Shy Trump Vote” and the GOTV effort advantage, here is my prediction of the remaining toss up states:
    1. Biden will win Minnesota, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Nevada, and Maine’s one toss-up electoral vote.
    2. Trump will win Iowa, Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, and Nebraska’s one toss-up electoral vote.
  • POPULAR VOTE WINNER: Joe Biden. Based on the data I am seeing, I predict 156.9 million total votes — an increase of 18 million+ voters compared to 2016. Despite a tight electoral college race, it’s clear that Joe Biden will win the popular vote, thanks in large part to New York and California.
  • ELECTORAL VOTE WINNER: Donald Trump. Trump wins the Electoral College 295 to 243.
 
I'm seeing a disconcerting amount of yard signs for Dem candidates, in my purple part of a deep-red state. The Shy Trump voters better start showing themselves.

Yesterday, I read Timothy Gordon's book, Rules for Retrogrades. One of his points is to not rely on the "sleeping giant" gambit, because that does nothing but punt your duties to normies.
 
I could see myself voting Democrat in the future, but only if these changes are made first:
  • No more catering to woke politics
  • No more support for BLM/AntiFa
  • No more putting multinationals above small businesses
  • No more endless lockdowns
  • No more guilting people that don’t vote “the right way”
  • No more moralizing and lording over people for being supposedly better, while being guilty of the things they accuse their opponents of
If they stopped doing any of those they'd just be blue Republicans.
 
Drumpf in Michigan:

Is Kamala truly this hated by anyone not infected with idpol? Is that why I see people talking about a "red wave" in 2022 if we end up with that administration?
It's the assumption that if Biden is carried into office through the decency argument and 25th to bring in Kamala, she will likely be used as a puppet to pass some dumb things (a la Green New Deal), and undo some of the good things Trump did. People will probably "WTF?!" and hopefully vote red down ballot, less the Dems master fraud. Unless the GOPe cucks and puts another RINO forward, Kamala is likely gone.
 
The great irony of Kamala is that she's literally everything BLM claims to be fighting against. That's why I hate the bitch. But vote blue no matter who.
You're making a mistake by assuming wokeists are rational. All they care about is that she's a stronk wamyn of color. They're just that shallow and histrionic.
 
The idea that people turned on the Democrats because they were fucking nuts, or because they were threatening to lock everyone down and take their oil jobs away, will never even be considered.
It really has been amazing to me that this hasn't been discussed publicly at all after they got blindsided by 2016. A national conversation that starts with "hey, alot of people don't seem to like what we're selling, why is that?" would do wonders for their party's fortunes. I would think that if 2020 also goes against a Democratic campaign that is really dialing up the progressive messaging, the various donors who stand to lose money from betting on the losing side of the cultural divide would at least attempt to perform a reassessment.
 
That's the number the redditor used. The retarded 538 model is showing an 11% chance right now. How did Trump's odds nearly double with just a batch of new polls? IT DIDN'T, NATE'S A DUMB FUCK

With a bit of luck it'll be like 2016 when the chance goes from 11% to 100% as The Young Turks lose their minds.

So what are the chances that Trump wins the presidency and the GOP flips the house and keeps the Senate? What if the DNC loses the presidency and keeps the house and flips the senate?

If the election produces a divided government that might actually reduce the chances of riots because there will be deadlock.

I could see myself voting Democrat in the future, but only if these changes are made first:
  • No more catering to woke politics
  • No more support for BLM/AntiFa
  • No more putting multinationals above small businesses
  • No more endless lockdowns
  • No more guilting people that don’t vote “the right way”
  • No more moralizing and lording over people for being supposedly better, while being guilty of the things they accuse their opponents of

I could see a future for the left if they adopt something like Andy Burnham's Blue Labour. He's currently against the UK central government imposed lockdown of his city, with a fair bit of support from Conservatives.
 
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