2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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In 2016, I voted for Trump mainly because I didn’t like Hillary. That was my main reasoning. As time has gone on, I’ve begun to like Trump more. That said, my family has a firm divide between those that like Trump and those that don’t. My family is mainly Republican, but some of them have fallen for the need of “decency” in the White House, which mainly boils down to ranting about the way Trump tweets to whatever news story is being pumped by the MSM that day.

It’s been kind of hard, recently I heard my dad go on a rant about how bad of a person Trump is and that if you’re Mormon (me and my family are Mormon), that you shouldn’t be making excuses for Trump’s behavior. Personally, me and some of my pro-Trump family know that Trump is kind of a jerk, but we don’t support him due to morality, rather that we’d have a president that doesn’t want to be a sellout to places like the EU and China, among other things. He then said that many pro-Trump Mormons are delusional about Trump because they refuse to look at other news sources (which is preposterous because most news, including Fox News sometimes, leans very anti-Trump). I’m ultimately tired of this and I’d wish people would stop moralizing about Trump when other presidents have done similar, if not worse things.

For instance:
- Warren G. Harding had an affair and fathered a kid while in office
- Andrew Jackson killed a few people in duels and nearly caned someone to death
- Richard Nixon had Watergate
- JFK got us into Vietnam
- Obama had Fast & Furious
- Woodrow Wilson got us involved in WWI and was a KKK member
- James Buchanan ultimately lead the US into civil war
-LBJ extended the Vietnam War before ultimately resigning

I could go on, but looking back at things, Trump isn’t nearly as bad a person my dad claims he is
The whole bullshit of "BRINGING DECENCY BACK TO THE WHITE HOUSE" just comes from how so many politicians speaking like the calm and collected voice on the campaign or in public while secretly doing bad shit behind the scenes. These people want more politicians to be talkers like Romney rather than care about actually doing anything.
 
In 2016, I voted for Trump mainly because I didn’t like Hillary. That was my main reasoning. As time has gone on, I’ve begun to like Trump more. That said, my family has a firm divide between those that like Trump and those that don’t. My family is mainly Republican, but some of them have fallen for the need of “decency” in the White House, which mainly boils down to ranting about the way Trump tweets to whatever news story is being pumped by the MSM that day.

It’s been kind of hard, recently I heard my dad go on a rant about how bad of a person Trump is and that if you’re Mormon (me and my family are Mormon), that you shouldn’t be making excuses for Trump’s behavior. Personally, me and some of my pro-Trump family know that Trump is kind of a jerk, but we don’t support him due to morality, rather that we’d have a president that doesn’t want to be a sellout to places like the EU and China, among other things. He then said that many pro-Trump Mormons are delusional about Trump because they refuse to look at other news sources (which is preposterous because most news, including Fox News sometimes, leans very anti-Trump). I’m ultimately tired of this and I’d wish people would stop moralizing about Trump when other presidents have done similar, if not worse things.

For instance:
- Warren G. Harding had an affair and fathered a kid while in office
- Andrew Jackson killed a few people in duels and nearly caned someone to death
- Richard Nixon had Watergate
- JFK got us into Vietnam
- Obama had Fast & Furious
- Woodrow Wilson got us involved in WWI and was a KKK member
- James Buchanan ultimately lead the US into civil war
-LBJ extended the Vietnam War before ultimately resigning

I could go on, but looking back at things, Trump isn’t nearly as bad a person my dad claims he is
Trump may be a jerk, but he is our jerk. I'd rather have someone like him in charge rather than a zombie politician like Biden any day of the week. I didn't vote in 2016 either, but saw no alternative this year. Also Nixon wasn't as bad as pop culture made him out to be.
 
The whole bullshit of "BRINGING DECENCY BACK TO THE WHITE HOUSE" just comes from how so many politicians speaking like the calm and collected voice on the campaign or in public while secretly doing bad shit behind the scenes. These people want more politicians to be talkers like Romney rather than care about actually doing anything.
That was my main problem with Obama. Since Obama had the MSM behind his back on top of being a smooth talker, any time you tried to bring up stuff like Benghazi or his failed green energy programs, you got called racist and/or a conspiracy theorist. Honestly, I don’t want any more Flakes, Romneys, McCains, Bidens or Obama’s, I want someone like Trump that just tells it as it is and gets stuff done.

Trump may be a jerk, but he is our jerk. I'd rather have someone like him in charge rather than a zombie politician like Biden any day of the week. I didn't vote in 2016 either, but saw no alternative this year. Also Nixon wasn't as bad as pop culture made him out to be.
I only brought up Nixon because of Watergate. Outside of Watergate, he had a pretty great record. He helped protect national forests, ended Vietnam, and put a lot of work towards conservation.
 
That was my main problem with Obama. Since Obama had the MSM behind his back on top of being a smooth talker, any time you tried to bring up stuff like Benghazi or his failed green energy programs, you got called racist and/or a conspiracy theorist. Honestly, I don’t want any more Flakes, Romneys, McCains, Bidens or Obama’s, I want someone like Trump that just tells it as it is and gets stuff done.
Yeah and it doesn't help these smooth talkers have been in politics for a long time like Ronald Reagan who had a buttery smooth voice yet sold weapons to the Iranians and such. Reagan had good qualities (I believe every president at least did one good thing in office) but he made massive fuck-ups that have damaged America and he got away with it for his smooth voice, a good economy, and "Principled Conservatism"
 
Here is how Joe Biden took the honking.
"Take care of them" sounds like a threat. Gaddaffi vibes from those sunglasses.
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The whole bullshit of "BRINGING DECENCY BACK TO THE WHITE HOUSE" just comes from how so many politicians speaking like the calm and collected voice on the campaign or in public while secretly doing bad shit behind the scenes. These people want more politicians to be talkers like Romney rather than care about actually doing anything.

Two words: Bill Clinton.

Republicans and the Religious Right at the time said that if you excused the President for how he acted and lied, you can never go back, the office is tarnished forever. The Democrats proceeded to excuse the President for everything he did and every lie he told. Then they called the Republicans fools for talking about character and morality.

It is not a coincidence that Donald Trump first decided to run for President during Clinton's 2nd term.

In the words of Dr Ron Paul:
"I tried to warn you, but you looked away. You asked for this. You made your bed. Why didn't you listen? ...it's too late. I told you, why didn't you believe then? You've made your bed, now lie in it. But don't call it a grave, it's the future you chose."
 
I'm imagining a Jeffrey Dahmer, but dozens of him and worse in every conceivable metric.

Or John Wayne Gacy.

Gacy grew up in a strict religious household and was often abused by his father who suspected him of being gay (which he admittedly was) and that put a lot of intense stress on a structure that wasn't up to code in the first place.

Hell, we might see some more female serial killers like Aileen Wartros who were trooned out when they were younger too or abused by wokie or radfem parents in some other way.
 
In 2016, I voted for Trump mainly because I didn’t like Hillary. That was my main reasoning. As time has gone on, I’ve begun to like Trump more. That said, my family has a firm divide between those that like Trump and those that don’t. My family is mainly Republican, but some of them have fallen for the need of “decency” in the White House, which mainly boils down to ranting about the way Trump tweets to whatever news story is being pumped by the MSM that day.

It’s been kind of hard, recently I heard my dad go on a rant about how bad of a person Trump is and that if you’re Mormon (me and my family are Mormon), that you shouldn’t be making excuses for Trump’s behavior. Personally, me and some of my pro-Trump family know that Trump is kind of a jerk, but we don’t support him due to morality, rather that we’d have a president that doesn’t want to be a sellout to places like the EU and China, among other things. He then said that many pro-Trump Mormons are delusional about Trump because they refuse to look at other news sources (which is preposterous because most news, including Fox News sometimes, leans very anti-Trump). I’m ultimately tired of this and I’d wish people would stop moralizing about Trump when other presidents have done similar, if not worse things.

For instance:
- Warren G. Harding had an affair and fathered a kid while in office
- Andrew Jackson killed a few people in duels and nearly caned someone to death
- Richard Nixon had Watergate
- JFK got us into Vietnam
- Obama had Fast & Furious
- Woodrow Wilson got us involved in WWI and was a KKK member
- James Buchanan ultimately lead the US into civil war
-LBJ extended the Vietnam War before ultimately resigning

I could go on, but looking back at things, Trump isn’t nearly as bad a person my dad claims he is
For how much people base their opinions on the man, they always neglect the actions he has taken while in office.

I don't care that he is an old. fat, and orange sexual deviant who is also kind of retarded. Hell, take out the orange, and I wouldn't know which president you're talking about. I just care about his actions as President Trump (which you logically say is the same regular Don, but he's done some good things).

Honestly, if family or friends rag on about Trump, don't be an autist but run them down the list of the good things he's done while in office (it's still out there). If they "Muh racism!", show them the Platinum Plan, or better yet, just say that all minorities in the country haven't been persecuted for the 3 1/2 years, and that some of them support him. And if you want to criticize the MSM, point out that the Trump blame game for every single issue by anchors and pundits does not matter to one's daily life, and recommend that they cut themselves off from the crap. The same applies if anyone brings up decency; if Trump being Trump is bringing you closer to Death's Door, that just says a lot.

To me, Trump is like Biden to China, "He's not that bad a guy, folks!" Or maybe I just like people who easily piss off others.
 
Two words: Bill Clinton.

Republicans and the Religious Right at the time said that if you excused the President for how he acted and lied, you can never go back, the office is tarnished forever. The Democrats proceeded to excuse the President for everything he did and every lie he told, then called the Republicans fools for talking about character and morality.

It is not a coincidence that Donald Trump first decided to run for President during Clinton's 2nd term.

In the words of Dr Ron Paul:
"I tried to warn you, but you looked away. You asked for this. You made your bed. Why didn't you listen? ...it's too late. I told you, why didn't you believe then? You've made your bed, now lie in it. But don't call it a grave, it's the future you chose."
If we were to judge all politicians based on character and morality (not just presidents), then we wouldn’t have a functioning government. If one is tired of politicians acting the way they do, if they feel so strongly, I’d suggest they be the change they want to see and run for office themselves. Also, anyone that judges other people (no matter who they are) on character and morality, they should hope they aren’t guilty of the same thing they accuse others of. This is ultimately why politicians should be judged on their record and policies, because they are far better metrics than “morality and decency”, which can really vary depending on who you ask.
 
On the youth vote, did anyone really expect Zoomers to try and vote? They're probably the laziest, most depressed, demotivated generation humanity has ever spawned.
Unless all the perpetually depressed and the speds are weeded out soon, I unironically fear for the state of the future generations of this country. Someone like @Zero Day Defense can probably put it better than I can at the moment, though.
 
Unless all the perpetually depressed and the speds are weeded out soon, I unironically fear for the state of the future generations of this country. Someone like @Zero Day Defense can probably put it better than I can at the moment, though.
What worries me is we have a ton of teens who already see how crap things are for them, or their genuine deeply ingrained idiocy OR their lazy selfish fools.
This is the generation entering the workforce, voting, socialising, dictating how things will run?
 
If we were to judge all politicians based on character and morality (not just presidents), then we wouldn’t have a functioning government. If one is tired of politicians acting the way they do, if they feel so strongly, I’d suggest they be the change they want to see and run for office themselves. Also, anyone that judges other people (no matter who they are) on character and morality, they should hope they aren’t guilty of the same thing they accuse others of. This is ultimately why politicians should be judged on their record and policies, because they are far better metrics than “morality and decency”, which can really vary depending on who you ask.

Yes and no. The things traditional morality (western, Judeo-Christian, American, etc) considers a breach, or immoral, usually relate to some character flaw that is dangerous in public office.

Someone who cheats at the monthly poker game with the guys is likely to cheat when he gets put in charge of a trillion dollar budget. Someone who screams at their kids is likely to be bad with managing employees. Someone who avoids hard work and coasts through life is likely to avoid doing the hard work of governing. Someone who abuses animals is likely to discount the human cost of life-and-death decisions.

So for Bill Clinton, the problem wasn't immoral sexual appetites per se. But someone who cheats on his marriage is willing to betray the people closest to him; someone who lies about affairs is willing to, well, lie to you, even when the only thing on the line is his own image. Saying "we want someone who won't lie or have affairs" is shorthand for saying "we want someone who is honest and won't betray us".

It's not a 1-to-1 causal thing, but it's a good heuristic.

No, I don't expect every politician to be perfect, but discounting morality altogether leads to, well, Clinton and Trump. I like a lot of what Trump does, and that's my argument in favor of voting for him. But his morality and his character have reflections in his governing record too.
 
Yes and no. The things traditional morality (western, Judeo-Christian, American, etc) considers a breach, or immoral, usually relate to some character flaw that is dangerous in public office.

Someone who cheats at the monthly poker game with the guys is likely to cheat when he gets put in charge of a trillion dollar budget. Someone who screams at their kids is likely to be bad with managing employees. Someone who avoids hard work and coasts through life is likely to avoid doing the hard work of governing. Someone who abuses animals is likely to discount the human cost of life-and-death decisions.

So for Bill Clinton, the problem wasn't immoral sexual appetites per se. But someone who cheats on his marriage is willing to betray the people closest to him; someone who lies about affairs is willing to, well, lie to you, even when the only thing on the line is his own image. Saying "we want someone who won't lie or have affairs" is shorthand for saying "we want someone who is honest and won't betray us".

It's not a 1-to-1 causal thing, but it's a good heuristic.

No, I don't expect every politician to be perfect, but discounting morality altogether leads to, well, Clinton and Trump. I like a lot of what Trump does, and that's my argument in favor of voting for him. But his morality and his character have reflections in his governing record too.
I guess I should have clarified more. I agree with your points, but what I was really trying to get across was that when people like Romney or Flake sperg about “morality and decency”, it’s usually along the lines of:
- Trump said something that the MSM purposely took out of context in order to say that he’s racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.
- Trump tweeted and called someone a name, like Pocahontas
- Trump had an affair 12+ years before taking office, therefore he shouldn’t be president
 
I'd eat a lifetime account ban on all gaming services if I could call Ilan Omar a ugly bulb headed nigger bitch and tell AOC to show her tits or gtfo
Reminder even the name she use is a lie, her real name is Ilhan Nur Said remember this deleted tweet from 2013 (hopefully some here has it):
Ewwww. Is that actually Ilhan Omar also playing with AOC? And moreover, Critikal you fuckin' sellout, you're playing with literal enemies of the state.

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Late as fuck but reminder than even the name Ilhan use is a lie
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Aabo is somalian for father so she is Ihlan Nur Said, she really is peak democrat in that she isn't lying all the time but her life is built on lies
 
What worries me is we have a ton of teens who already see how crap things are for them, or their genuine deeply ingrained idiocy OR their lazy selfish fools.
This is the generation entering the workforce, voting, socialising, dictating how things will run?
Zoomers are a mixed bag of wokists, based and redpilled aryan (and honorary aryan) chungites, redditors, and alcoholic/drug addict normies. Couple this with the fact that the economy is shit, their future is bleak, the dating is abysmal, and to top it off zoomers are all the way at the bottom of the generational hierarchy with somehow the silent generation still standing on top. Not to sperg to much about dating, but it's hard for boomers to really understand how shitty it is. Unless you like to party theres no real way to meet people especially in current year, online dating is a mixed bag of 10/10 you will literally never match with 6-9/10 girls who have their egos inflated by filters and getting fucked by the top 20% of dudes because their decent enough to fuck, and the bottom half of women catfishing all the poor chumps who fall for their filters and angles that hide the fact that their obese ogres. To top it all off as soon as you acknowledge the issue people just scream incel at you like its supposed to mean something. Even before corona there was pretty much no reason to leave your house outside of work and groceries, now theirs literally no reasons to do so even if you're allowed to in your state. I don't think older generations understand how cooped up zoomers are.
 
Zoomers are a mixed bag of wokists, based and redpilled aryan (and honorary aryan) chungites, redditors, and alcoholic/drug addict normies. Couple this with the fact that the economy is shit, their future is bleak, the dating is abysmal, and to top it off zoomers are all the way at the bottom of the generational hierarchy with somehow the silent generation still standing on top. Not to sperg to much about dating, but it's hard for boomers to really understand how shitty it is. Unless you like to party theres no real way to meet people especially in current year, online dating is a mixed bag of 10/10 you will literally never match with 6-9/10 girls who have their egos inflated by filters and getting fucked by the top 20% of dudes because their decent enough to fuck, and the bottom half of women catfishing all the poor chumps who fall for their filters and angles that hide the fact that their obese ogres. To top it all off as soon as you acknowledge the issue people just scream incel at you like its supposed to mean something. Even before corona there was pretty much no reason to leave your house outside of work and groceries, now theirs literally no reasons to do so even if you're allowed to in your state. I don't think older generations understand how cooped up zoomers are.
Normally don't read walls of text but this is well put. Still finding it hard to feel sorry for zoomers tho.
 
Normally don't read walls of text but this is well put. Still finding it hard to feel sorry for zoomers tho.
Why's that?

Zoomers are a mixed bag of wokists, based and redpilled aryan (and honorary aryan) chungites, redditors, and alcoholic/drug addict normies. Couple this with the fact that the economy is shit, their future is bleak, the dating is abysmal, and to top it off zoomers are all the way at the bottom of the generational hierarchy with somehow the silent generation still standing on top. Not to sperg to much about dating, but it's hard for boomers to really understand how shitty it is. Unless you like to party theres no real way to meet people especially in current year, online dating is a mixed bag of 10/10 you will literally never match with 6-9/10 girls who have their egos inflated by filters and getting fucked by the top 20% of dudes because their decent enough to fuck, and the bottom half of women catfishing all the poor chumps who fall for their filters and angles that hide the fact that their obese ogres. To top it all off as soon as you acknowledge the issue people just scream incel at you like its supposed to mean something. Even before corona there was pretty much no reason to leave your house outside of work and groceries, now theirs literally no reasons to do so even if you're allowed to in your state. I don't think older generations understand how cooped up zoomers are.
Very well put. People don't want to acknowledge the problem because women don't want to lose their cushy position in society and there are plenty of simps. And I can't really blame Boomers for not accepting reality, because current year is so different from their generation, it's like another planet.
 
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Very well put. People don't want to acknowledge the problem because women don't want to lose their cushy position in society and there are plenty of simps. And I can't really blame Boomers for not accepting reality, because current year is so different from their generation, it's like another planet.
Pretty much, boomers only listen to the MSM, and even fox news is rather woke for my taste. Trying to talk to my dad or any of my older relatives is like being fed talking points straight from a news anchor. They don't understand the internet, or how its changed society, let alone distribution of information. They often ask me how I know all this stuff before it's on the news or months before it's a talking point on their favorite fox news hosts show. I've tried explaining it to them, but they just dont get it, and so my impression has been and remains that trying to explain how the world works for my generation is a pointless task. I wish I could live in world were my life and the society I grew up in was only a slight deveation from my parents, things would be much simpler and make more sense.
 
Unless all the perpetually depressed and the speds are weeded out soon, I unironically fear for the state of the future generations of this country.
One thing I've noticed - The Information Era is objectively the most prosperous period in human history, tantamount to a global golden age. Yet despite this, young people across the developed world from West to East have significant rates of depression, suicide, and a massive collapse in birthrate. Compare this to John B. Calhoun's "mouse utopia" experiment and the comparisons are incredible, if not depressing. If you haven't already, I highly recommend you go down the rabbit hole of his experiments.

For instance, there was a select group of mice called the "beautiful ones", which did nothing but groom themselves all day, comparable to social media addiction, or the males that completely withdrew from social interaction, comparable to the hikikomori in Japan.
 
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