Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Crescent Fresh]

Zack really seems to be going full conspiracy with the “BOOM Studios gives back” thing.

“They must’ve been pressured into doing this! It’s a revolutionary tax! It’s extortion! How do I know? They used the word community! That’s a SJW word!”

I’m not saying that this was done purely out of “good will” or any bullshit like that, but on the other hand it makes a lot of sense as just a basic, cynical sort of marketing move: Throw $100 at 100 completely random first-time KS campaigns, then reap the equivalent of $10K in good will while in reality half of the campaigns fail and you only end up having to pay significantly less than that.

Now if they were specifically donating various higher amounts to certain, say, “approved” or “diverse” campaigns? I’d be right there with him. However, considering that this “initiative” of theirs thought it a good idea to throw $100 at whatever the hell this is, I don’t really think that it’s some preplanned sort of penance or anything of the sort.

 

[Jub-Jub]

And i thought i was a jew for only pricing Nasser's writing credit at $25pp for $1200

On the subject of "expenses", earlier @Fathead and @FROG were going on about how duties like drawing the comic, though they weren't specified in Nasser and Donal's agreement, were just like paying for a letterer or colorist and implicitly expenses (that Donal was entitled to) that had to be taken into account before total profit was determined.

To be fair frog did say that Nasser deserves a writers fee in the next post or so from his guesstimate. Frog priced Nasser at $20pp

Hmmm 989.16/48 = $20.61

@Fathead post your hilarious accounting that was needed to mismanage 39k down to 1.8k

 

[FROG]

And i thought i was a jew for only pricing Nasser's writing credit at $25pp for $1200

To be fair frog did say that Nasser deserves a writers fee in the next post or so from his guesstimate. Frog priced Nasser at $20pp

Hmmm 989.16/48 = $20.61

@Fathead post your hilarious accounting that was needed to mismanage 39k down to 1.8k

In a world in which a guy doing pencils AND inks is getting $100 per page, the writer would be lucky to get $20 per page. That's the ratio. Writing a page takes far less time than drawing a page.

But royalties are split 50/50.

 

[Spectre_06]

Why did you pay taxes on a business expense, Nasser's cut of the money?

Because Nasser was never supposed to see the money, and Donal decided to fuck him over further. At this point Nasser should take him to court for breach of contract and get all the actual records via discovery so we can see how much of a retard Donal truly is, because I think we've been giving him too much credit to not be as retarded as he acts.

 

[Jub-Jub]

In a world in which a guy doing pencils AND inks is getting $100 per page, the writer would be lucky to get $20 per page. That's the ratio. Writing a page takes far less time than drawing a page.

But royalties are split 50/50.

I thought your guesstimate + writing fee breakdown seemed reasonable which IIRC ended up in a low 4k range. I took the page rate from that 2017 rate article that gets posted occasionally and placed him in the low Boom tier. Honestly even if Nasser is the shittest writer on earth i think he could get paid a little more given that the campaign made 39k, and CG often talks about Comic Book Pros working at sub poverty wages. It shouldn't have broken the bank as its only an extra $210.8 total difference between our rates.

My bet is the money got eaten with "business expenses" a high page rate and a big payment to the family as part of "shipping"

 

[FROG]

I thought your guesstimate + writing fee breakdown seemed reasonable which IIRC ended up in a low 4k range. I took the page rate from that 2017 rate article that gets posted occasionally and placed him in the low Boom tier. Honestly even if Nasser is the shittest writer on earth i think he could get paid a little more given that the campaign made 39k, and CG often talks about Comic Book Pros working at sub poverty wages. It shouldn't have broken the bank as its only an extra $210.8 total difference between our rates.

My bet is the money got eaten with "business expenses" a high page rate and a big payment to the family as part of "shipping"

Donal is suggesting that he got binged by the IRS for taxes on the entire $39K as INCOME, which is what happens when you aren't an LLC or and S-Corp and you end the year with a large sum of capital in your personal checking account. So Donal really had no business being responsible for the money. Nasser is a sped but I believe he's competent enough to arrange a small LLC to shelter those funds, had he been made responsible for them instead of Donal.

If BRUTAS had either fulfilled, or at least paid out all expenses that same year, this wouldn't have been a problem. Nasser would have gotten his money in 2018, too. Advice for other crowdfunders who aren't LLCs, get that money out of your account and pay all expenses as quickly as you can so that you can whittle it down to taxable income, and not worry that the government is going to take the money you need to make and ship the books.

Transparency would have solved all of this. Talking to us in private and asking other CGers who are fulfilling successfully. Or telling us that you need money to finish the project. We could have found a project to raise some funds to finish this out for Donal. Instead, when I asked about this, I got trolled multiple times.

My concern now is that Donal has the cash on hand to fulfill the book. Shipping costs are roughly $12 times the number of backers.

 

[Fathead]

Donal is suggesting that he got binged by the IRS for taxes on the entire $39K as INCOME, which is what happens when you aren't an LLC or and S-Corp and you end the year with a large sum of capital in your personal checking account. So Donal really had no business being responsible for the money. Nasser is a sped but I believe he's competent enough to arrange a small LLC to shelter those funds, had he been made responsible for them instead of Donal.

If BRUTAS had either fulfilled, or at least paid out all expenses that same year, this wouldn't have been a problem. Nasser would have gotten his money in 2018, too. Advice for other crowdfunders who aren't LLCs, get that money out of your account and pay all expenses as quickly as you can so that you can whittle it down to taxable income, and not worry that the government is going to take the money you need to make and ship the books.

Transparency would have solved all of this. Talking to us in private and asking other CGers who are fulfilling successfully. Or telling us that you need money to finish the project. We could have found a project to raise some funds to finish this out for Donal. Instead, when I asked about this, I got trolled multiple times.

My concern now is that Donal has the cash on hand to fulfill the book. Shipping costs are roughly $12 times the number of backers.

I tried having Nasser handle the money because of the IRS, to avoid that taxation. He didn’t want to & sent it back to me.

I don’t need money to fulfill the book, despite the IRS. Media mail is roughly $2.83-$3.16 domestic depending on the package.

 

[Stoneheart]

So the money went to the IRS. well played, retards...

 

[Brother Maynard]

Somebody wake me up when Nasser, the cuck, and frog are done arguing about this crap.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I tried having Nasser handle the money because of the IRS, to avoid that taxation. He didn’t want to & sent it back to me.

I don’t need money to fulfill the book, despite the IRS. Media mail is roughly $2.83-$3.16 domestic depending on the package.

There it is, Media Mail. Here we go.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

I tried having Nasser handle the money because of the IRS, to avoid that taxation. He didn’t want to & sent it back to me.

I don’t need money to fulfill the book, despite the IRS. Media mail is roughly $2.83-$3.16 domestic depending on the package.

Sup cuckhead. How's your ex-wife's boyfriend pizza? Stop fucking around and pay Nasser his money instead of buying food you diabetic fat fuck. If you can pay bulls to steal your ex-wife you can pay Nasser his cut. I know diabetes made you bedsore immovable ridden fuck but I think you have the mental capacity to pay Nasser but you probably need a few insulin injections just to have basic room temperature comprehension skills. It's been like 2 years that you haven't paid Nasser? You can't put out a 39k+ book in 2 years while Nasser eats a hot and ready deep dish pepperoni pizza from little ceasers on stream for dinner making literal pennies (no offense Nasser) on campaigns and can still deliver books? Nasser can put out 3 books in 2 years on a Shoestring budget and I mean (SHOESTRING) and your fatass can't put out a funded book in those 2 years? Why did you misappropriate the funds on your wife's new boyfriend? You're a fucking disgrace in indie comics and you should go back to making cuckold comic strips because you doing graphic novels just not cutting out for you cuckhead.

If you didn't need money to fulfil the book why in the fuck it took 2 years to get books delivered

 

[NasserRabadi13]

Donal is suggesting that he got binged by the IRS for taxes on the entire $39K as INCOME, which is what happens when you aren't an LLC or and S-Corp and you end the year with a large sum of capital in your personal checking account. So Donal really had no business being responsible for the money. Nasser is a sped but I believe he's competent enough to arrange a small LLC to shelter those funds, had he been made responsible for them instead of Donal.

If BRUTAS had either fulfilled, or at least paid out all expenses that same year, this wouldn't have been a problem. Nasser would have gotten his money in 2018, too. Advice for other crowdfunders who aren't LLCs, get that money out of your account and pay all expenses as quickly as you can so that you can whittle it down to taxable income, and not worry that the government is going to take the money you need to make and ship the books.

Transparency would have solved all of this. Talking to us in private and asking other CGers who are fulfilling successfully. Or telling us that you need money to finish the project. We could have found a project to raise some funds to finish this out for Donal. Instead, when I asked about this, I got trolled multiple times.

My concern now is that Donal has the cash on hand to fulfill the book. Shipping costs are roughly $12 times the number of backers.

Secret Comics Publishing has been a corporation since 2017. My mother is also an accountant, so I learned how to handle taxes and how to run my business. I graduated at 20 years old with a business degree (I was also the youngest student accepted into my college, being 16 years old). I know what I'm doing.

I tried having Nasser handle the money because of the IRS, to avoid that taxation. He didn’t want to & sent it back to me.

I don’t need money to fulfill the book, despite the IRS. Media mail is roughly $2.83-$3.16 domestic depending on the package.

If I recall correctly (we can always look back at dms) I think you paypaled me it to avoid getting taxed, but I sent it back because me/my mom had given you advice on how to avoid paying the taxes.

At any point if you wanted to switch the fulfillment to ME doing it, I would've been glad to do that, but you didn't ask me to. I did offer to do fulfillment for future campaigns. Which, there is no reason we don't have like 5+ issues out by now.

I thought your guesstimate + writing fee breakdown seemed reasonable which IIRC ended up in a low 4k range. I took the page rate from that 2017 rate article that gets posted occasionally and placed him in the low Boom tier. Honestly even if Nasser is the shittest writer on earth i think he could get paid a little more given that the campaign made 39k, and CG often talks about Comic Book Pros working at sub poverty wages. It shouldn't have broken the bank as its only an extra $210.8 total difference between our rates.

My bet is the money got eaten with "business expenses" a high page rate and a big payment to the family as part of "shipping"

Low 4k range would be fine with me. That's the bare minimum I'm asking. Since donal said we KNOW we're each getting $4,000-5,000. That's what he always guaranteed.

 

[FROG]

Secret Comics Publishing has been a corporation since 2017. My mother is also an accountant, so I learned how to handle taxes and how to run my business. I graduated at 20 years old with a business degree (I was also the youngest student accepted into my college, being 16 years old). I know what I'm doing.


If I recall correctly (we can always look back at dms) I think you paypaled me it to avoid getting taxed, but I sent it back because me/my mom had given you advice on how to avoid paying the taxes.

At any point if you wanted to switch the fulfillment to ME doing it, I would've been glad to do that, but you didn't ask me to. I did offer to do fulfillment for future campaigns. Which, there is no reason we don't have like 5+ issues out by now.


Low 4k range would be fine with me. That's the bare minimum I'm asking. Since donal said we KNOW we're each getting $4,000-5,000. That's what he always guaranteed.

So he panicked and tossed you a hot potato, and even though you knew what to do with it, you simply gave Donal advice and tossed it back? Fuck. Well, here's where you are now. Most comic creators are horrible business people, and Donal was basically telling you he was going to fuck it up. He was begging a real man, a smart man, to take over.

That was meant to be you. But you were a 20 year old. Donal is like 40. You probably figured he knew what he was doing better than you. What a disaster.

Donal is now pouting and saying he's going to quit comics entirely over this, which is either a manipulative way to extract forgiveness from everyone around him, or at face value, a cowardly retreat.

My advice is to Donal is to stop being a pussy, learn the 100 lessons you should have learned from this experience, and try again with something different. And then pay Nasser another $3000 from your future earnings. Almost everyone in ComicsGate is fumbling out of the gate and then finding their footing the second time around, including me. Running away and quitting is gay.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

So he panicked and tossed you a hot potato, and even though you knew what to do with it, you simply gave Donal advice and tossed it back? Fuck. Well, here's where you are now. Most comic creators are horrible business people, and Donal was basically telling you he was going to fuck it up. He was begging a real man, a smart man, to take over.

That was meant to be you. But you were a 20 year old. Donal is like 40. You probably figured he knew what he was doing better than you. What a disaster.

Donal is now pouting and saying he's going to quit comics entirely over this, which is either a manipulative way to extract forgiveness from everyone around him, or at face value, a cowardly retreat.

My advice is to Donal is to stop being a pussy, learn the 100 lessons you should have learned from this experience, and try again with something different. And then pay Nasser another $3000 from your future earnings. Almost everyone in ComicsGate is fumbling out of the gate and then finding their footing the second time around, including me. Running away and quitting is gay.

Not exactly. What donal asked me to do was hold it all in my paypal account so he wouldn't have to pay taxes. We gave him advice on how NOT to pay taxes on it, and send it back. It was never meant for me to fulfill the campaign or anything, he never asked me to do that.

I agree with you thought, he needs to just give me $4,000 at the bare minimum so we can be done with this. It's what he promised me, and it's about what he already spent on himself from the campaign money.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

If BRUTAS had either fulfilled, or at least paid out all expenses that same year, this wouldn't have been a problem. Nasser would have gotten his money in 2018, too. Advice for other crowdfunders who aren't LLCs,

Not really sure what you mean here. Out of the box vanilla single member LLCs are "pass-through" entities when it comes to taxes, at least on the federal level. The professional literature literally describes them as "tax disregarded" entities, kind of like a revocable trust. Lots of legal ramifications, very few tax ones.

Donal Delay d/b/a Fathead Enterprises (or whatever, a sole proprietor) vs. Donal Delay, owner and managing member of Fathead, LLC a single member LLC would see very little difference -- typically no difference -- on his tax return. He'd file the same schedule C or maybe C-EZ (IIRC that no longer exists?) and treat all expenses and income in exactly the same way. Typically, both would be "Cash basis" where you declare the income as you receive it, and deduct expenses as you pay them. (I don't think filing on an "accrual basis" would have been much help to him here, either, but that's too much of a hemorrhoid to get into.)

Spoiler: Off topic autistic rambling

BTW, it sure sounds like Donal should be issuing Nasser a 1099-MISC as an independent contractor here, assuming more than $600 changes hands and assuming Nasser isn't doing business as a corporation, with payments going to AutisticArab, Inc., (or whatever) and not to Nasser Rabadi personally. If so, Donal needs a W-9 from Nasser. Legal name, address and SSN, similar to a W-4. The odds of getting in trouble for failing to do this probably approach zero given the current state of the IRS and the relatively small dollars involved, but one never knows. And the penalties for information return failure to file are very ugly.

As a complete and total aside, does anyone know how the crowdfunding platforms handle sales tax? Kickstarter seems to take the old "nexus" position, where if you're shipping from the state where you're located to a state where you're not, you don't need to collect it. Can't seem to find what Indiegogo says, but I guess they operate similarly. (Amazon no longer operates this way, it collects and remits sales tax; I guess they're not obligated to do it this way, dunno, but they caved to political pressure?) I guess this is still technically the law, but I can see the states giving KS and IGGo the stink eye over this, big time. In the case of @FROG he would (or should) collect sales tax only on copies of his books shipped to New Jersey addresses, since that's the state he's physically located in. And, the people getting the comics need to pay "Use tax" on their state tax return, the same way nobody everybody does. This is how it used to be, at any rate.

Edit: Well, what I get for taking the dog out during the middle of a post. There's my answer on a 1099-MISC form. Not needed, assuming the payment is going in the corporation's name and into the corporate bank account.

Secret Comics Publishing has been a corporation since 2017. My mother is also an accountant, so I learned how to handle taxes and how to run my business. I graduated at 20 years old with a business degree (I was also the youngest student accepted into my college, being 16 years old). I know what I'm doing.

But this opens up a can of very squirmy worms. So you've made yourself an employee, do all all the quarterly payroll tax filings and all that shit? W-2 at the end of the year, etc. Even assuming you're an S corporation IRS takes a very, very very dim view of trying to finesse personal services as nondivdend distributions as way to skip around self employment taxes or reporting rules. And without employees pretty much everything you're doing is a personal service. To do this, and do it right, the amount of paperwork is typically so daunting most sole proprietors balk at it. It just isn't worth it. Either in terms of time or the cost, since you'd be a complete fool not to hire this work out, preferably to a CPA or an EA with small business experience. And they don't come cheap.

 

[Fathead]

So he panicked and tossed you a hot potato, and even though you knew what to do with it, you simply gave Donal advice and tossed it back? Fuck. Well, here's where you are now. Most comic creators are horrible business people, and Donal was basically telling you he was going to fuck it up. He was begging a real man, a smart man, to take over.

That was meant to be you. But you were a 20 year old. Donal is like 40. You probably figured he knew what he was doing better than you. What a disaster.

Donal is now pouting and saying he's going to quit comics entirely over this, which is either a manipulative way to extract forgiveness from everyone around him, or at face value, a cowardly retreat.

My advice is to Donal is to stop being a pussy, learn the 100 lessons you should have learned from this experience, and try again with something different. And then pay Nasser another $3000 from your future earnings. Almost everyone in ComicsGate is fumbling out of the gate and then finding their footing the second time around, including me. Running away and quitting is gay.

I said the clusterfuck after clusterfuck of bullshit I’ve had to deal with just getting this book to where it is now is enough to make me quit comics because I’m probably not cut out for the BTS business stuff.

I didn’t say I was going to quit.

“My advice is to Donal is to stop being a pussy, learn the 100 lessons you should have learned from this experience, and try again with something different.“

That’s exactly what I am doing.

“And then pay Nasser another $3000 from your future earnings.”

You know what? I would actually do that, too, if he’d be patient. I don’t like that the profit was that little any more than he does.

 

[FROG]

Not really sure what you mean here. Out of the box vanilla single member LLCs are "pass-through" entities when it comes to taxes, at least on the federal level. The professional literature literally describes them as "tax disregarded" entities, kind of like a revocable trust. Lots of legal ramifications, very few tax ones.

Donal Delay d/b/a Fathead Enterprises (or whatever, a sole proprietor) vs. Donal Delay, owner and managing member of Fathead, LLC a single member LLC would see very little difference -- typically no difference -- on his tax return. He'd file the same schedule C or maybe C-EZ (IIRC that no longer exists?) and treat all expenses and income in exactly the same way. Typically, both would be "Cash basis" where you declare the income as you receive it, and deduct expenses as you pay them. (I don't think filing on an "accrual basis" would have been much help to him here, either, but that's too much of a hemorrhoid to get into.)

Spoiler: Off topic autistic rambling

BTW, it sure sounds like Donal should be issuing Nasser a 1099-MISC as an independent contractor here, assuming more than $600 changes hands and assuming Nasser isn't doing business as a corporation, with payments going to AutisticArab, Inc., (or whatever) and not to Nasser Rabadi personally. If so, Donal needs a W-9 from Nasser. Legal name, address and SSN, similar to a W-4. The odds of getting in trouble for failing to do this probably approach zero given the current state of the IRS and the relatively small dollars involved, but one never knows. And the penalties for information return failure to file are very ugly.

As a complete and total aside, does anyone know how the crowdfunding platforms handle sales tax? Kickstarter seems to take the old "nexus" position, where if you're shipping from the state where you're located to a state where you're not, you don't need to collect it. Can't seem to find what Indiegogo says, but I guess they operate similarly. (Amazon no longer operates this way, it collects and remits sales tax; I guess they're not obligated to do it this way, dunno, but they caved to political pressure?) I guess this is still technically the law, but I can see the states giving KS and IGGo the stink eye over this, big time. In the case of @FROG he would (or should) collect sales tax only on copies of his books shipped to New Jersey addresses, since that's the state he's physically located in. And, the people getting the comics need to pay "Use tax" on their state tax return, the same way nobody everybody does. This is how it used to be, at any rate.

I'm not a tax expert by any means, which is why we have a CPA handle everything with our S-Corp. But from what I understand, FOR NOW, there is no sales tax collected for crowdfunders because the money coming in isn't strictly a SALE. It's a donation. The "perks" are gifts that donators receive.

This is going to change soon. The government is getting wise to it. And from what I hear, sales tax from crowdfunders is going to extend backwards up to SIX FUCKING YEARS. We've been paying NJ sales tax because of this probability, and unfortunately we also paid to other states like Minnesota and Michigan, when I'm not sure it was necessary.

 

[Jub-Jub]

Low 4k range would be fine with me. That's the bare minimum I'm asking. Since donal said we KNOW we're each getting $4,000-5,000. That's what he always guaranteed.

Honestly i think the minimum amount should be the "business expenses" (i.e. computer + extras, art book fee [2.2k? +1k]) and a writing fee of ~$1000. However the more @FROG explains, the more i don't think the money is there, and you'll never see it. Theoretically you could sue him, but unless you do so sua sponte you'll be reamed on attorney fees more than could ever hope to recover. Fuck the best bet you might have is to beg @FROG for a Pay Nasser GFM campaign topped at 5k. EVS can do a show or two about the importance of contracts, LLC's, how easy they are to setup and their relationship to the tax man (he should do this anyway as a reminder). Easy content, SC money and maybe some of his simps will feel bad enough about you getting absolutely dicked to take pity.

Whats that give an arsehole $20 and if you never see him again it's a good bargain quote? Adapt that. Pay Delay $4k and never see him again, it's a bargain.

You know what? I would actually do that, too, if he’d be patient. I don’t like that the profit was that little any more than he does

You couldn't pay $4k in 2 years. How long is he supposed to wait? Until after you die of the beetus, and your "estate" is finalised?

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I'm not a tax expert by any means, which is why we have a CPA handle everything with our S-Corp. But from what I understand, FOR NOW, there is no sales tax collected for crowdfunders because the money coming in isn't strictly a SALE. It's a donation. The "perks" are gifts that donators receive.

This is going to change soon. The government is getting wise to it. And from what I hear, sales tax from crowdfunders is going to extend backwards up to SIX FUCKING YEARS. We've been paying NJ sales tax because of this probability, and unfortunately we also paid to other states like Minnesota and Michigan, when I'm not sure it was necessary.

Just call it "The Church of Comicsgate." Tax problems solved.

I can see it now, Minister Cecil, Deacon Malin, Brother Fraga. Worshiping to the AAT Gods.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

Honestly i think the minimum amount should be the "business expenses" (i.e. computer + extras, art book fee [2.2k? +1k]) and a writing fee of ~$1000. However the more @FROG explains, the more i don't think the money is there, and you'll never see it. Theoretically you could sue him, but unless you do so sua sponte you'll be reamed on attorney fees more than could ever hope to recover. Fuck the best bet you might have is to beg @FROG for a Pay Nasser GFM campaign topped at 5k. EVS can do a show or two about the importance of contracts, LLC's, how easy they are to setup and their relationship to the tax man (he should do this anyway as a reminder). Easy content, SC money and maybe some of his simps will feel bad enough about you getting absolutely dicked to take pity.

Whats that give an arsehole $20 and if you never see him again it's a good bargain quote? Adapt that. Pay Delay $4k and never see him again, it's a bargain.


You couldn't pay $4k in 2 years. How long is he supposed to wait? Until after you die of the beetus, and your "estate" is finalised?

I like this idea. What do you think, @FROG?