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Was that in Ina's member's only talk stream just now or something? I'm surprised I missed that.
General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.
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is in the Gura stream that is happening right now
But Mori, sucking at videogames is part of the requirements to enter Hololive
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Gotta love Calli for that: There's always at least one or more qualities about her that most everyone can relate to.
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I don't know about Calli, but Korone took up amateur boxing, that's why she's able to do marathon stream like the 24 hour ones
That said, I hoped the management knew when to stop the girls before they had stream burnout. I know the competition is higher than ever now, but the chance of them messing up their health worries me
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A number of the other girls have expressed concern over Korone working her IRL job, and then doing stream marathons and not getting enough sleep. She's talked about how she burns herself out before too, it's really not good, but there's nothing you can do about her or any of the other girls doing it to themselves.
Also, the managers have been known to step in on certain occasions if they think the girls are trying to do too much and are exhausting themselves, like they did with Polka shortly after her debut.
I'm not sure what you mean by competition, though? The HL girls don't 'compete' with each other, they're all on the same team and work towards a shared goal. Unless you just mean Vtubers in general.
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Is the power of tea and yubis that fuel her
I always explained hololive like this "imagine that you have a big family with tons of sisters, all your sisters are mental and you are just watching while they burn someone house"
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That's terribly naive. Of course everything is a competition. Especially considering it's show-biz and how competitive the Japanese inherently are. Popularity and money are always a matter of competition. Politics, show-biz, movie stars, etc... the PP size contest is always on. That some people are better than others at hiding it would be another story.
Another thing, on your topic of burnout. I've was for like 3 hours in Coco's singing stream. Now, I had a fun time spaming chat with lyrics and emojis that matched the song plus clapping at Coco.
This activity is way more fun than it has any right to be, but at the same time I really did notice how much Coco is sucking at singing. I don't mean she was a bit off key or that her voice isn't great. I mean, she really fucking sounded at times like a squalling sheep, plus being terribly off key and sometimes barely being able to sing the lyrics properly. Also, she's already sang most songs. The god damn spanish songs are the worst. I don't know why she does them. She might as well put on torture white noise and scream at the mic in several octaves. And yesterday was the worst by far I've ever heard. She was legit annoying.
Perhaps it's the exhaustion and burn out coming to show themselves. I have that feeling I think.
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Yeah, just Vtubers in general, especially now that Cover had lost the Chinese market, they gonna have to work hard since now they only have the jp and eng fanbase to rely on.
I can see niji or even mainland's own vtubers taking over the chinese market though
Hololive's collab with irl products are still going, Nissin just announced their collab with Korone for some instant curry rice, but we don't know if they could still landed good deals after the T-word incident.
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I really don't know, I can't fully buy that intra-competition stuff when it comes to the Hololive talents. If there is any, I highly doubt it's by any means serious or malicious in any way, most likely friendly and fueled by support for each other. But if we're talking between agencies, or indie v. indie, you're absolute right.
Also yeah, it's not exactly news to anyone that Coco is a less-than-stellar singer. She mostly does it for the memes and cornball factor, which is excruciatingly evident by her off-the-wall song choices, and, yes, sometimes she doesn't even know the lyrics to the songs she sings and fills the air with incoherent animal noises, lol. However, on the rare occasion she does actually try, I will say she's gotten much better than she was 6+ months ago. It'll get put to the test during BEYOND THE STAGE in December, we'll see.
But as for the super-long singing streams, that seems to be increasingly common across a lot of the talents this past month or so. May also be linked to hardcore practicing for the end-of-year concert.
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I actually have been thinking about this recently. Excuse me if this is a bit spergy.
If you don't know, Japanese showbiz is....cutthroat. Years following idols, seiyuu, and even regular mainstream entertainment made me realize that they have this ultra competitive nature there. But there are genuine relationships there. With years of enduring spotlight, there are bound to be camaraderie between these people.
I think this is what happened between vtubers like Hololive. Don't forget, they are very different than traditional entertainers. They have to protect their privacy while at the same time entertaining us in characters. Although they are their own biggest competitors, they are the only ones who can truly knew and understand each other because of their unique and novel business model.
You know how streamers or content creators are shitting on each other, but when a force outside of them tried to mess with one of them they banded together? I think that's what happened here with vtubers....with exception of course
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Except Sora, she's doing real idol things.
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When the US got attacked it Pearl Harbor, it was able to put aside the internal problems to adress the external threat until it was over. That's common in most organizations of people.
I don't know if you guys have had experience in a competitive creative workplace where results matter. I had some and I think what I lived through happens to all creatives, but you guys should decide. When you work incredibly hard in your personal art and gives it all, at some point it becomes extremely hard to judge what or why things one does produces a postive or negative increase in results. And when results are compared with fellows, and people who seem to have worked same and don't seem terribly different than what you do get A LOT better results (More clicks, engagement, money, etc...) the feeling it causes is not jealousy, but extreme anxiety. The question starts poping in your head "What am I doing wrong that I'm working so hard but the popular is the other one for apparently doing the same?" and it doesn't stop
And so I think that when you have fellows in the industry that for some unknown reasons to you do better than yourself, while you may be happy for them and their success, the questions of "what am I doing wrong to not have their results?" won't let go. I guess many people face it by just plowing through it and attacking it with hours of work, but that just burns you out.
BTW, in order to clean my hearing after Coco's Spanish I had to listen to Andrea Boccelli for an hour. Great stuff.
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The girls themselves might not feel that way to any extreme extent, but I'm sure their company sees it that way on some level. It depends on what standards Cover has for their talent would depend on how much intra-competition exists and how relevant it is within the organization. If they develop stupidly high standards and expect everyone to reach Korone/Fubuki/Gura levels of popular, then everyone else is under pressure. Especially the likes of Holostars who the best they got is Roberu who is a drop in the bucket compared to pretty much any of the girls. Which is unfortunate as Roberu is one of my favorites in the whole "Holo" family.
The question of "why can't X be like Y?" always comes up with business people when one product does better than another. The question then comes up eventually "why keep Y when X does so much better? Why not instead of developing Y anymore we make Z?". The "product" being each streamer, X being say Fubuki or Korone, Y being someone less popular, and Z being bring someone else up to maybe capture whatever makes X so popular. I know calling these girls "products" is kind of gross given the industry, but it is the best word I come up with to explain my point.
I do think in some years time, especially if pandemic season ends and streams start to decline overall when outside life returns to some sort of normal, we'll see some smaller time streamers feel huge pressure to improve in fear they'll get the axe. Mio had that feeling of pressure once upon a time when Fubuki, Okayu, and Korone were taking off and she was barely moving. I wouldn't be shocked if one day our big 3 will eventually feel bad about being popular because they'll have to know how much pressure they create on their fellow peers.
Like could you imagine if say Calli got dropped in a year because she couldn't bring numbers like Gura's? I wouldn't know who to feel more sorry for, Calli for losing her big break or Gura for having to possibly live with the fact that it is indirectly her fault and then having to pretend it doesn't matter to keep her own stream going smoothly.
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Calli actually has significantly more superchat revenue than Gura, probably due to international superchat bullying competitions.
But I think the competition is less direct than some sort of Pepsi/Coke thing, because the market isn't anywhere near saturation yet and their individual differences let them chase different niches within the market.
IIRC the original target for the girls was something like 50K subscribers, and they've all blown way past that, even the ID crew. The marginal costs for Cover are fairly low; there's the development of the model, the iPhone they provide, and beyond that it's just personnel costs for Yagoo and the managers.
Essentially, cutting Calli would just deprive them of Calli's revenue stream rather than freeing up assets to use for development of new talent.
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How many SCs do the rest of the HoloEN girls rake in on that note? Because I noticed reds dropped quite frequently among all of them, which means that despite their individual growth being not as explosive as Gura's, they all rake in very healthy profits which would make "graduating" them rather unreasonable.
They literally print money. Who's gonna be stupid enough to cut off the flow of US/Canada simpbucks?
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Honestly this is why I think the pressure from anyone but themselves isn't nearly has heavy as some may make it out to be. The cost of Cover keeping a talent under their umbrella is most likely incredibly small, since creating and maintaining a YouTube channel is....well, free. Each talent essentially pays for themselves (art, model rig, company phone, etc.) by the end of their first superchat week. Then it's all gravy from there. Keeping them on the "payroll" at that point is mostly, if not totally, profit for them, only way the management team would ever scrutinize a talent is if they completely stagnated and were bringing in damn-near zero new subs and revenue (superchat, merch, what have you), which is just a statistical impossibility since every girl has a sizeable fanbase and many loyal followers so..
But of course what Justtocheck said about anxiety rings true, just look at Aki from a few months ago, when she poured her heart out about her then-miserably-low subscriber count. She was genuinely upset about her lack of popularity, but the community stepped in and helped turn it around for her a bit. Of course that's always going to be an issue for some, if not all, of the talents, but I think the community does a great job of propping them up when they're feeling dejected, at least if they make it known, whatever the reason.
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I just picked those two because Gura is obviously the most popular and Calli getting canned I think would be the most depressing of the other 4 to go due to how emotional Calli has shown herself to be. I picked a comparison of extremes to sort of accent my point.
As for internal competition, that all depends on what Hololive develops into within the next few years and if standards change within the company. Profit isn't that hard to make in the grand scheme of things of big business, unless you have some very bad efficiency issues, it is the question of if you are being min max super autism efficient with your money. The absolute lengths businesses go to ensure they make the most money out of what they spend can be extreme. Niche product lines get shelved because they don't bring in several millions of dollars in profit, they only bring in several hundred thousands and that is no good to big business. its stupid, but that's business. Convoluted logistics estimates like just-in-time delivery exist to make warehouse space the lowest it can possibly be because adding and maintaining an extra 20 square feet is too much to ask for.
in addition, from a cold business sense having less popular branches can get in the way of more popular ones because their is assumed to be some cross over so you have to work around that. I also assume their is some coordination to ensure no one steps on each other's toes too much. The market is bound to get saturated eventually even within Hololive's own space as they add more branches, their is only so much time people can spare to watch anime girls on youtube.