General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Least Concern]

I concur on the money-printing thing. The expenses beyond the initial onboarding costs look like they'd be pretty small, so as long as the streamers are bringing in enough to cover them (and aren't causing drama or whatever), why cut them off and have them go to another agency or go solo and cut yourself out of the share of income? I do hope that the streamers are getting a decent chunk too, though - I'm really curious what their contracts look like. As for internal competition, I would hope they do some screening for that and avoid hiring someone who looks like they might start drama due to jealousy. But young women will be young women, I know… still, if it were really a problem, I bet we would have heard more about it by now.

in addition, from a cold business sense having less popular branches can get in the way of more popular ones because their is assumed to be some cross over so you have to work around that. I also assume their is some coordination to ensure no one steps on each other's toes too much. The market is bound to get saturated eventually even within Hololive's own space as they add more branches, their is only so much time people can spare to watch anime girls on youtube.

Well, yes. At some point the novelty will wear off and the fad will start to recede, and some of the streamers will no longer be profitable. I don't think that attention to streamers is a zero-sum game, though - the rabbit hole is a thing, as we all know now, and I don't have the numbers to prove it but I'm willing to bet that collab streams pull better numbers than solo ones when the collaborators have some decent chemistry.

 

[Rezza]

Calli obviously won't be fired, she's a bonafide musician with great talent, that's something Cover couldn't possibly afford to lose.

The market is going to be saturated very soon, if not already. That's why I think Cover is thinking of diversifying their contents from now on, not just relying on streaming and SC. Bagging Ina and Calli, an illustrator and musician respectively, seems like an hint to me they're going to make a more skill-focused talent or content. Hell, Calli reaching no. 1 itunes chart is a massive achievement for vtubers

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

I concur on the money-printing thing. The expenses beyond the initial onboarding costs look like they'd be pretty small, so as long as the streamers are bringing in enough to cover them (and aren't causing drama or whatever), why cut them off and have them go to another agency or go solo and cut yourself out of the share of income? I do hope that the streamers are getting a decent chunk too, though - I'm really curious what their contracts look like. As for internal competition, I would hope they do some screening for that and avoid hiring someone who looks like they might start drama due to jealousy. But young women will be young women, I know… still, if it were really a problem, I bet we would have heard more about it by now.



Well, yes. At some point the novelty will wear off and the fad will start to recede, and some of the streamers will no longer be profitable. I don't think that attention to streamers is a zero-sum game, though - the rabbit hole is a thing, as we all know now, and I don't have the numbers to prove it but I'm willing to bet that collab streams pull better numbers than solo ones when the collaborators have some decent chemistry.

The question I have then is if the Hololive/Holostar talents have a contract that provides a base salary of some sort? If they do, then I do think eventually when the market saturates and being a vtuber becomes a streamer norm then eventually the typical business greed will come in. Especially because I'd imagine that bigger talents would get bigger and better contracts to keep the them happy. If they don't then I'd assume nothing will happen unless the entire market crashes for some unforeseen reason and corporate panics.

I did a quick search and the best answer I found is "some companies do and some don't" which is obviously unhelpful. If anyone here has followed that aspect of vtubers closer then I have, I'd like to know as that is one of my concerns when it comes to this internal competition issue.

I don't think it is going to be a big problem, I just think it is bound to happen especially because I think when this golden age dies and the outside world isn't a total hell hole this industry will decline like a rock and someone in charge of all of this is bound to panic and jump the gun. If that happens someone is bound to get burned. That is why I think their is a perceived notion of internal competition even if it isn't relevant right now.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I really don't know, I can't fully buy that intra-competition stuff when it comes to the Hololive talents. If there is any, I highly doubt it's by any means serious or malicious in any way, most likely friendly and fueled by support for each other. But if we're talking between agencies, or indie v. indie, you're absolute right.

Also yeah, it's not exactly news to anyone that Coco is a less-than-stellar singer. She mostly does it for the memes and cornball factor, which is excruciatingly evident by her off-the-wall song choices, and, yes, sometimes she doesn't even know the lyrics to the songs she sings and fills the air with incoherent animal noises, lol. However, on the rare occasion she does actually try, I will say she's gotten much better than she was 6+ months ago. It'll get put to the test during BEYOND THE STAGE in December, we'll see.

But as for the super-long singing streams, that seems to be increasingly common across a lot of the talents this past month or so. May also be linked to hardcore practicing for the end-of-year concert.

 

[Estellise]

Cover is only four years old. I think they're in the early business stage where everybody knows everybody's else's name and they're reluctant to let people go.

Give it five or ten years for them to Blizzardify themselves. Once they've successfully transitioned into a profitable but soulless business entity, then we might start seeing talents asked to retire based on their numbers.

 

[RisingPhoenix]

I really don't know, I can't fully buy that intra-competition stuff when it comes to the Hololive talents. If there is any, I highly doubt it's by any means serious or malicious in any way, most likely friendly and fueled by support for each other. But if we're talking between agencies, or indie v. indie, you're absolute right.

Also yeah, it's not exactly news to anyone that Coco is a less-than-stellar singer. She mostly does it for the memes and cornball factor, which is excruciatingly evident by her off-the-wall song choices, and, yes, sometimes she doesn't even know the lyrics to the songs she sings and fills the air with incoherent animal noises, lol. However, on the rare occasion she does actually try, I will say she's gotten much better than she was 6+ months ago. It'll get put to the test during BEYOND THE STAGE in December, we'll see.

But as for the super-long singing streams, that seems to be increasingly common across a lot of the talents this past month or so. May also be linked to hardcore practicing for the end-of-year concert.

Coco's been very honest about her singing skill and knows how it sounds. I gather that at first she refused to do singing streams, and she's made jokes in Asacoco about doing singing collabs with other girls and getting cut off/rejected. She eventually gave it a go, chat didn't care that it sucked, and she saw it as a fun thing.

She's apparently been doing dance and voice training as part of the prep for Beyond the Stage. While she's still gotta work on controlling her voice and finding the right notes. She's actually starting to be a lot more on key than she was before. At least some of her favourite songs sounded way better in the 4 hour stream than pre-gardening break. She's also much more aware if a song is easy for her voice or not, as I noticed in this stream she was now noting if a song was a bit high for her voice or not where before she picked based more on her interests regardless of difficulty.

Amelia also can't sing well in comparison to her other Genmates - but people genuinely enjoy that she tries even if she's clearly not on Gura or Calli's level.

In terms of competition - I can't speak for Japan. But most of EN handles it okay with maybe exception of Kiara who seems the most concerned about her numbers over the others. Gura was very cautious about celebrating her 1 million, I know /jp/ thinks she was told by management to play it down, but she's mentioned that she's still processing being Gura let alone everything else.

That said - Kiara seems to be aiming for UK/EU timezones and Japanese timezones over the US timezones of the others (sans Calli) - at least considering those were the times she posted her schedule in this week.

 

[negativlad]

How many SCs do the rest of the HoloEN girls rake in on that note? Because I noticed reds dropped quite frequently among all of them, which means that despite their individual growth being not as explosive as Gura's, they all rake in very healthy profits which would make "graduating" them rather unreasonable.

They literally print money. Who's gonna be stupid enough to cut off the flow of US/Canada simpbucks?

tl;dr: a lot! An additional fun fact: 3 out of 5 and 6 out of 10 of the most superchatted channels in the world are Holos. #7 in the world: Niji's own Kuzuha.

 

[Rezza]

tl;dr: a lot! An additional fun fact: 3 out of 5 and 6 out of 10 of the most superchatted channels in the world are Holos. #7 in the world: Niji's own Kuzuha.

And how much did the girls take? About 30 percent? It's still a lot, and then there's also the ad revenue from the videos.

This makes me wonder though, does the number came because they are the only high-quality/corporate (with ties to japan) english vtubers in the market right now? If HoloEN has a new gen, I wonder how the number would split?

 

[negativlad]

And how much did the girls take? About 30 percent? It's still a lot, and then there's also the ad revenue from the videos.

This makes me wonder though, does the number came because they are the only high-quality/corporate (with ties to japan) english vtubers in the market right now? If HoloEN has a new gen, I wonder how the number would split?

Youtube takes their 30% and Hololive takes a rumored 50% of that, so even a "low earner" like Ina is still breaking six figures a year before her salary, physical goods, what have you. They aren't the only high-production agency-affiliated EN vtubers around, but they're definitely the most well-known; HoloID and NijiEN (formerly ID) stream in English very often, but get a fraction of the views, as well as smaller agencies with their own English-speaking talents (like Pikamee!).

It seems pretty early to debut another round of HoloENs. On the one hand, it'd dilute the supachas as the schedule starts to overlap, and the current gen are still getting their company barings. On the other hand, rising tide, all boats.

 

[Big Brown Schlub]

Oh, definitely as far as shitposting's concerned, but we have to make sure she keeps her rep intact as well. West Taiwan couldn't kill her, but the Farms probably would.

It's official, KF is more powerful than China.

 

[Rezza]

It seems pretty early to debut another round of HoloENs. On the one hand, it'd dilute the supachas as the schedule starts to overlap, and the current gen are still getting their company barings. On the other hand, rising tide, all boats.

Yeah, that makes sense, though I predicted it's going to be mid next year or even late 2021. If I'm not mistaken, Cover announced they're going to stop the expansion and strengthen their management because of Coco's incident. I think that's why we still haven't heard anything about HoloID 2nd gen. I know a couple of guys who knew the inside of Indonesian Vtubers, but so far it's all silent they said.

Speaking of HoloID, anyone still remember when Iofi got doxxed? Anyone still have the info? A certain cosplay photo in an Indonesian weebs convention got bumped recently because people caught wind it's Iofi, but a guy I knew said it's not. I want to check and match the pic and info

 

[Dang Woodchucks!]

How many SCs do the rest of the HoloEN girls rake in on that note? Because I noticed reds dropped quite frequently among all of them, which means that despite their individual growth being not as explosive as Gura's, they all rake in very healthy profits which would make "graduating" them rather unreasonable.

They literally print money. Who's gonna be stupid enough to cut off the flow of US/Canada simpbucks?

Tinfoil as it may be, there always one old fuck investor that gnashes his teeth seeing, let's say Gura or Kiara, do slightly bigger numbers than any of the JP girls and hates the fuck out of "those damn filthy gaijins". Thankfully, they're usually also the most careful not to spill spaghetti in public, if only for their own image than anything else.

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I laughed harder at this than i had any right to.

 

[tiredchuba]

Probably gonna see a HolostarsEN before HLEN 2nd gen and I'd definitely apply lol

 

[Gamepad]

The market is going to be saturated very soon, if not already. That's why I think Cover is thinking of diversifying their contents from now on, not just relying on streaming and SC. Bagging Ina and Calli, an illustrator and musician respectively, seems like an hint to me they're going to make a more skill-focused talent or content. Hell, Calli reaching no. 1 itunes chart is a massive achievement for vtubers

Considering Domo's clique is pushing more people out in the open on top of spamming other Vtubers' social and video comment sections with his own Vtubers, it's already at that point.

 

[Dang Woodchucks!]

Considering Domo's clique is pushing more people out in the open on top of spamming other Vtubers' social and video comment sections with his own Vtubers, it's already at that point.

Except no one really watches those dumb fucks compared to the pros.

 

[Gamepad]

Except no one really watches those dumb fucks compared to the pros.

I wouldn't underestimate ultra simps. Legit see opinions so split it boggles my mind. On one side, you get "trite, and extremely boring", and on the other it's "OMG SHE'S SO FUNNY AND EXCITING!". Granted, there is probably some people in there trying to become Vtubers themselves and sucking up to the "popular" people.

 

[CptnSnshn]

I don't know if you guys have had experience in a competitive creative workplace where results matter. I had some and I think what I lived through happens to all creatives, but you guys should decide. When you work incredibly hard in your personal art and gives it all, at some point it becomes extremely hard to judge what or why things one does produces a postive or negative increase in results. And when results are compared with fellows, and people who seem to have worked same and don't seem terribly different than what you do get A LOT better results (More clicks, engagement, money, etc...) the feeling it causes is not jealousy, but extreme anxiety. The question starts poping in your head "What am I doing wrong that I'm working so hard but the popular is the other one for apparently doing the same?" and it doesn't stop

Lol just do a better job then

 

[ThekiwifarmingPanda]

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welp look like some old kiara stalker followed her to Subaru house, now he been ringing subaru door bell in the middle of her stream

 

[Rezza]

Probably gonna see a HolostarsEN before HLEN 2nd gen and I'd definitely apply lol

Man, if HolostarsEN is gonna be a thing, I'm gonna sign up in a heartbeat

Except no one really watches those dumb fucks compared to the pros.

The problem is not whether or not people watched them, but rather whether or not people heard or know them
By playing loud and gathering lots of people, they can pretend like they are THE english vtubers community, and masked themselves as the voice of authority to the others. I think that's what the ratking is trying to do with his followers, to gain influence by playing loud

 

[Estellise]

You'll need history as a content creator to even stand a chance.

I'd go so far as to speculate that Senzawa's brief stint as a VTuber might have been a practice run, or even a way to pad out her resume, before she applied for a spot at Holo.