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Pointless Pedant said:
I think people have different definitions of what the deep state is. If it means the various 3 letter agencies and their nefarious activities, those are well out of the public eye a lot of the time. If it means the corporate media apparatus, that's privately controlled, not a state entity.
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I consider Twitter and every other censorious website with Section 230 platform protections to be deep state. Until those sites willingly forfeit or are stripped of those protections (thereby opening them up to civil liability) they are essentially violating your free speech with the consent of the government.
 
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Corn Flakes said:
The web of control transcends private or government entities, though. The alphabet agencies, the media, and the relevant politicians all communicate with one another.
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There are too many examples of things that seem like coordinated activity. Is it just a coincidence that the memeflu created the justification for mass mail in ballots across battleground states, the media's subsequent insistence that elections are totally fraud proof and all examples have been deboonked, and big tech's subsequent shutdown of all questioning of this obvious fraud.
 
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Qriist said:
I consider Twitter and every other censorious website with Section 230 platform protections to be deep state. Until those sites willingly forfeit or are stripped of those protections (thereby opening them up to civil liability) they are essentially violating your free speech with the consent of the government.
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Section 230 is the only reason this site doesn't get sued to death by random retards, I'd keep it.
 
ScamL Likely said:
Null's fugitive lifestyle has rotted his brain in recent years to the point where this site is exactly as milquetoast as anything else on the contemporary internet.
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Section 230 is a legal defence against random frivolous lawsuits from retards like Russell Greer. It doesn't matter if the site is "milquetoast" or not, it's useful to not get bankrupted.
 
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ScamL Likely said:
I heard some bimbo happily exclaim "The orange man is out of the white house!" yesterday in those exact words.
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So are Trump voters yelling "NOOO" into the sky, having meltdowns on social media, marketing ice cream with ethnically diverse "RESIST" on it it, or walking out of classes? How very odd...

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Pointless Pedant said:
Section 230 is a legal defence against random frivolous lawsuits from retards like Russell Greer. It doesn't matter if the site is "milquetoast" or not, it's useful to not get bankrupted.
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That's not what I'm saying. My point is that you may as well just go on any generic forum now if this place goes tits up. There won't be as much of a difference in overall content as you'd think.
 
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ScamL Likely said:
That's not what I'm saying. My point is that you may as well just go on any generic forum now if this place goes tits up. There won't be as much of a difference in overall content as you'd think.
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Sure, but with no Section 230 those other generic fora would get trashed by stupid lolsuits too.
 
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Sure, but with no Section 230 those other generic fora would get trashed by stupid lolsuits too.
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lolsuits aren't some kind of magical spell that automatically destroys any target you cast them on. No one has the kind of money or dedication it'd take to shut down literally everything, especially more banal, obscure places with stricter moderation.
 
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lolsuits aren't some kind of magical spell that automatically destroys any target you cast them on. No one has the kind of money or dedication it'd take to shut down literally everything, especially more banal, obscure places with stricter moderation.
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Kiwi Farms has been sued several times, and any replacement "lolcow" site would be too.
 
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millennialcat96 said:
Can i ask you guys something? Do you Trump supporters and right-wingers in this forums genuinely believe that "The Deep State" is a thing and Trump is fighting it? I have been watching some online contents from the right about recent events and many of them actually list "The Deep State" as one of the reasons that Trump lost.
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To an extent yes, though I'm not particularly beholden to the general term "the Deep State" (hearing new terms for old ideas tends to piss me off) nor this idea of Trump heroically, in some grandiose fashion, fighting against it though that's not to say he isn't fighting against certain vested interests that is undeniably true.

And that really is all it is. A group of people in media, public elected office, and the bureaucracies possibly with the same political ideology/faction (a usual commonality) collaborating/colluding to advance or protect an interest they have by fair or foul means.

Let's take the media/government connection. In this case you have examples of people from both political spectrums who leave office or a campaign to join say ABC, NBC, etc. (see George Stephanoupolis for example) or who have familial relations with political figures who likely used their influence to get their relatives in positions of media (see Fredo Cuomo). This is absolutely nothing new and not surprising nor limited only to one side though I think, if the Left has their win with a legitimate or illegitimate Biden regime, then it will become a far more exclusive monopoly for them since I'm sure Fox will be pressured to purge contributors like say Gowdy, but that's beside the point.

The government/bureaucrat connection should need no explanation. Politicians appoint bureaucrats, plain and simple, but some go out of their way to install favorites into juicy positions. Maybe it's Ted Cruz wanting to get some Colonel from Texas he knows into the Department of State or something or Donald Trump appointing Mitch McConnell's wife as Secretary of Commerce (if I'm not mistaken) as a favor/nod to McConnell I'm sure. This is pretty standard stuff. These people are intended to circle the wagon if necessary or go after somebody the Inner Circle construes as an enemy to them and their interest.

The whole thing pretty much is the contemporary version of I scratch your back, you scratch mine/client-patron relationship. This is why I don't care for the new lingo "Deep State" because it's based on an idea as old as the Romans.
 
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verissimus said:
To an extent yes, though I'm not particularly beholden to the general term "the Deep State" (hearing new terms for old ideas tends to piss me off) nor this idea of Trump heroically, in some grandiose fashion, fighting against it though that's not to say he is fighting against certain vested interests that is undeniably true.

And that really is all it is. A group of people in media, public elected office, and the bureaucracies possibly with the same political ideology/faction (a usual commonality) collaborating/colluding to advance or protect an interest they have by fair or foul means.

Let's take the media/government connection. In this case you have examples of people from both political spectrums who leave office or a campaign to join say ABC, NBC, etc. (see George Stephanoupolis for example) or who have familial relations with political figures who likely used their influence to get their relatives in positions of media (see Fredo Cuomo). This is absolutely nothing new and not surprising nor limited only to one side though I think, if the Left has their win with a legitimate or illegitimate Biden regime, then it will become a far more exclusive monopoly since I'm sure Fox will be pressured to purge contributors like say Gowdy, but that's beside the point.

The government/bureaucrat connection should need no explanation. Politicians appoint bureaucrats, plain and simple, but some go out of their way to install favorites into juicy positions. Maybe it's Ted Cruz wanting to get some Colonel from Texas he knows into the Department of State or something or Donald Trump appointing Mitch McConnell's wife as Secretary of Commerce if I'm not mistaken as a favor/nod to McConnell I'm sure. This is pretty standard stuff. These people are intended to circle the wagon if necessary or go after somebody the Inner Circle construes as an enemy to them and their interest.

The whole thing pretty much is the contemporary version of I scratch your back, you scratch mine/client-patron relationship. This is why I don't care for the new lingo "Deep State" because it's based on an idea as old as the Romans.
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Its effectively a serious of incestuous relationships from related and corrupt interests working together. I'd add on to this, it runs to varying depths. Obama attempted to create a proper 'deep state' by systematically bringing only his absolutely faithful cronies up through the ranks of the three letter agencies, but that's as close as we have gotten to what a lot of people think of when the term is used.

Mostly, its just a series of informal, incestuous alliances of opportunity. That being said, they all have knives aimed at eachother too.
 
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