GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

The delays in nVidias 30xx series makes me think the PosCap/MoCap debacle actually fucked the launch, and the manufacturers are having to retool entire assembely lines to match or exceed FE spec. The GA-10x dies seemed to balance on the edge of what nVidia could do, and AIB partners do what they always do, cheap out at every point and charge more for the sloppy work.

At this point, unless I win the lottery, I've got a clear upgrade path. 3600->5700x, 2060super->6800xt, maybe a bump from 32gb 3200 cl14 to a 32gb 3600 cl14 if the prices on those nice new G. Skill 3600 kits isnt outrageous. Unironically a good time to be a waitfag.
 
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Double posting becausr 4 day difference. Got my GPU back from MSI Canada. Well, someone else's 2060 super (different s/n). Died/RMA/shipped out on the 14th of Oct, replacement couriered to my door on Nov. 2nd. Pretty impressed, NGL. If this one dies than that'll be the end of my dabbling into Nvidia cards. ATI/AMD for 20 years, never had an issue with "weaker" brands (AsRock, MSI). Had a Sapphire 390X fail, which lead into this MSI 2060S.

All AMD needs to do to finish 2020 on a strong footing is their Ryzen 5xxx and Radeon 6xxx to not be paper launches.
 
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Anyone know what time the new ryzens go on sale tomorrow?
 
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Anyone know what time the new ryzens go on sale tomorrow?
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RIP me. I only upgraded to a Ryzen 3700X this summer.

Actually, serious question. How drop-in is the Ryzen 5000. I have a B550 mobo, would I, in theory, be able to drop in a Ryzen 5000 or would I have to flash the BIOS or anything.
 
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RIP me. I only upgraded to a Ryzen 3700X this summer.

Actually, serious question. How drop-in is the Ryzen 5000. I have a B550 mobo, would I, in theory, be able to drop in a Ryzen 5000 or would I have to flash the BIOS or anything.
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5000 and the B550 is compatible. You'll have to upgrade your BIOS when they have it available because any boards out there right now don't have it updated yet.

you definitely don't want to drop one in and turn it on without doing that.

edit - the 5900x sold out in one second this morning, i was only able to get my name in on a preorder so i'm in line to get one when the stock comes back in.

which will probably be early 2021.
 
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5000 and the B550 is compatible. You'll have to upgrade your BIOS when they have it available because any boards out there right now don't have it updated yet.

you definitely don't want to drop one in and turn it on without doing that.

edit - the 5900x sold out in one second this morning, i was only able to get my name in on a preorder so i'm in line to get one when the stock comes back in.

which will probably be early 2021.
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Welp, I think I'll not bother for now than. I'm already on one endless waiting list for the RTX 3080 and as an SFF user the Ryzen 3700X is the highest I can go without setting things on fire.

Speaking of the 3080, it does seem that production is ramping up. I've gained 30 new queue positions this week which is almost as much as in the past 6 weeks put together. I may have one before 2021.
 
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Welp, I think I'll not bother for now than. I'm already on one endless waiting list for the RTX 3080 and as an SFF user the Ryzen 3700X is the highest I can go without setting things on fire.

Speaking of the 3080, it does seem that production is ramping up. I've gained 30 new queue positions this week which is almost as much as in the past 6 weeks put together. I may have one before 2021.
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You may want to hold off until the middle of the month for the new radeons, but I'm sure supply will be like they are for the 3080s.
 
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Or maybe he will quickly advance in the queue for the 3080 because so many people drop their orders and jump to the now open RX queue. The supermarket dilemma.
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Or I could take a leaf out of the Viz strip "Whoops Aisle Apocalypse" and start spreading rumours that Scan and OcUK and AWD-IT are going to run out of RTX 3080s until next spring and that it's best to cancel your order and go to the RX 6800 XT if your queue number is above 20.
 
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Or I could take a leaf out of the Viz strip "Whoops Aisle Apocalypse" and start spreading rumours that Scan and OcUK and AWD-IT are going to run out of RTX 3080s until next spring and that it's best to cancel your order and go to the RX 6800 XT if your queue number is above 20.
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Another reason why being a waitfag can be beneficial. You can get used cards for great deals.
 
So I got an extra stick of RAM for my Ryzen apu I mentioned a couple of pages back after people mentioned benefit of dual channel.

I also noticed there is a 1.1gb hardware reserve for the apu. Is there any reason to mess with this in the BIOS or just leave as default? Don't have any experience with apus so not sure if there is any performance benefit in screwing around with this.
 
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So I got an extra stick of RAM for my Ryzen apu I mentioned a couple of pages back after people mentioned benefit of dual channel.

I also noticed there is a 1.1gb hardware reserve for the apu. Is there any reason to mess with this in the BIOS or just leave as default? Don't have any experience with apus so not sure if there is any performance benefit in screwing around with this.
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Probably best to leave it as default. Basically an APU is where there's effectively a cut-down Radeon graphics chip on die with the CPU. It shares system memory. It's a bit like integrated graphics from the Intel GMA era except actually good. Incidentally, fast RAM is worth it for Ryzen of any flavour.

Speaking of which, I wish I could get my 3600 MHz Corsair RAM sticks to boot with their XMP profile. They just won't. I have to set them at 3200 MHz manually for them to go. Even though the motherboard is rated for XMP profiles up to 4733 MHz. It could be iffy RAM but given the puzzle-box nature of my build I hope it isn't. I can't be arsed with pretty much taking it apart and rebuilding it because I have one of those Alpenfoehn coolers that overhangs the RAM and uses an utterly brain damaged mounting system. It was enough of a faff to podge in a PCIe 4.0 riser cable last night (because the supplied one was PCIe 3.0 only and I'm not having my RTX 3080 run at lower bus speeds when I have a CPU, board, and card that will all be on PCIe 4.0.

I also got some standoffs and widebodied the side panels to allow for said RTX 3080 to actually fit. Happily, this means there's enough space now to add a second CPU fan which I just might.

What would be really nice would be a back to back case like the Kolink Rocket but widebodied as standard - that is, with an extra 12mm clearance on each side. There's the Rocket Heavy but that's ugly and too big.
 
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I've had my Ryzen 5 1600 for quite a while now. I'm planning on buying one of the Zen 3 CPU's, but the B450 motherboard I currently have requires an update that will release somewhere in January 2021 just to use Zen 3.
 
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Probably best to leave it as default. Basically an APU is where there's effectively a cut-down Radeon graphics chip on die with the CPU. It shares system memory. It's a bit like integrated graphics from the Intel GMA era except actually good. Incidentally, fast RAM is worth it for Ryzen of any flavour.

Speaking of which, I wish I could get my 3600 MHz Corsair RAM sticks to boot with their XMP profile. They just won't. I have to set them at 3200 MHz manually for them to go. Even though the motherboard is rated for XMP profiles up to 4733 MHz. It could be iffy RAM but given the puzzle-box nature of my build I hope it isn't.
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Agree, leave the APU memory alone, the "VRAM" is on the RAM as it is and I don't think I've ever seen a benchmark where they specify running at different settings.

Jot down the XMP settings in CPU-Z and set them manually in (the BIOS or) Ryzen Master and see what happens.

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I've had my Ryzen 5 1600 for quite a while now. I'm planning on buying one of the Zen 3 CPU's, but the B450 motherboard I currently have requires an update that will release somewhere in January 2021 just to use Zen 3.
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Don't worry, there won't be any Zen3 to buy before January 2021 anyway.
 
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With dedicated graphics cards you usually want to avoid running out of VRAM because it's like running into a brick wall performance-wise. With APUs it doesn't matter, there's no real speed penalty for that happening. VRAM just needs to be big enough to accommodate the frame buffer and for operations of the VCN. Giving more has no benefits and you lose that RAM for your system.

The graphics part of my 4650G Pro (Pro selected for ECC support) is really, really good for an integrated GPU. I wanted a compact system without dGPU because I wanted something noiseless and also power-saving. (electricity is very expensive where I live but mostly I didn't want to hear the computer, at all) I can just leave it running all day and do my general computing on but also run my old stuff and some games on it and the GPU is more than enough for games like Crusader Kings III or Stellaris and even the occasional autism simulator like Truck Simulator or Elite: Dangerous. (when I can get it running on Linux) It even runs heavier games like GTA 5, Skyrim and Cities: Skylines at an acceptable framerate. (of course not in 4k) Of course I limit the framerate to 30 because I don't really care, for graphic orgies on 144 Hz screens or VR it wouldn't be good enough for anything and on 60 FPS it probably would already look different in the heavier games department but I don't care about that. The computer uses about 9-11W when doing stuff like browsing and 25W when doing stuff like playing a graphically simple game like Rimworld or old computer emulators, what more do you want? Very happy with that purchase, these APUs have come a long way, I don't find myself needing a dGPU in the foreseeable future.
 
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Ginger Piglet said:
RIP me. I only upgraded to a Ryzen 3700X this summer.

Actually, serious question. How drop-in is the Ryzen 5000. I have a B550 mobo, would I, in theory, be able to drop in a Ryzen 5000 or would I have to flash the BIOS or anything.
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The 3700X and the 5000 series in gaming IMHO are not worth the upgrade at all. I would really really wait until the pricing will go down after the holidays.

IMHO both Nvidia and AMD are guilty of doing a limited launch, knowing that scalpers will be buying in mass, knowing that this will give them maximum profit for the 2020 holidays as they sell out of everything on hand.

My 3600 I bought for $175 during last year holiday season. At launch price it was at MSRP $200..... that is if you could get it at that price during launch date. It was generally around the $230 and over range for awhile. But at least I could purchase one with no issues.

Now??? Might as well wait. You got a real good CPU that does fine at 1440p with the big boys.
 
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Got the 5800x installed yesterday and sold my old 2700x for 150€ (they're 184€ new here). Now waiting for GPUs to come back in stock...
 
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