Official Election 2020 Doomsday Thread

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Who wins on November 3rd? (Zeitgeist, not who you're voting for)

  • Expecting a Trump win.

    Votes: 978 45.7%
  • Expecting a Biden win.

    Votes: 277 12.9%
  • Expecting no clear winner on November 3rd.

    Votes: 885 41.4%

  • Total voters
    2,140
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That's very dishonest, the FEC has nothing to do with the 2020 election, it regulates the campaign finance rules governing presidential and congressional contests.
Him trying to use his authority to speak in areas he has no knowledge or control of is clearly attempting to legitimize Trump and additionally pushing his anti-mail in voting line he's been spouting for months.

There's no way he could know anything about the claims he's making. If you read the article he just repeats what Trump and Giuliani have said.
 
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That's very dishonest, the FEC has nothing to do with the 2020 election, it regulates the campaign finance rules governing presidential and congressional contests.
Him trying to use his authority to speak in areas he has no knowledge or control of is clearly attempting to legitimize Trump and additionally pushing his anti-mail in voting he's been spouting for months.

There's no way he could know anything about the claims he's making. If you read the article he just repeats what Trump and Giuliani have said.
Not surprised. There's a lot of disingenuous crap being thrown around. I wonder if this will come back to bite him in the ass when (or if?) Biden is officially prez in January.
 
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There was no union rep present, either, and no real mention of a lawyer--though the latter is Hopkins' fault for not realizing that, whether it's officially Feds or not, never ever agree to a "sit down" without a lawyer. Also don't sign anything. He got the recording but come on, it's basic.
What trash the USPS union must be.
Even my lame trade union hammeres in to every members mind:
NEVER SIGN ANYTHING
NEVER SIGN ANYTHING
NEVER SIGN ANYTHING
If your sitting down with management then do so only with a shop steward present. And if these agents where there from a LE position then why the fuck he sitting down and signing things with no lawyer? I don't want to shit on the dude because he has the guts to stand up and put his name down. It just amazes me how people let themselves get bamboozled in to jams like this.

FEDS are not there to be your friend. They are there to fuck you and ruin your life. That is their job. Always remember that if you cross their path.
 
Maybe I missed where the recording came from, was it the whistleblower himself who secretly recorded? could the veritas people have talked him into a meeting that would be against his best interests to get a recording?
 
Someone's going have to confirm that.
Back when New York Mag was giving Epstein a James Bond title, literally "International Moneyman of Mystery", Trump said:

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with,” Trump reportedly said. “It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

Now I could swear he did a radio interview with some raunchy show that came out, round about the time of the "grab 'em by the pussy" stuff, where he's asked what kind of women he likes and there's a suggestion if he likes them younger to some extent and he denies it since he's into maturer women, but I can't find that one.
Also it was after that NYM interview when, at some point, Epstein "sexually assaulted" an underage girl at Trump's Mar-a-Lago club. He banned him and supposedly hated the guy ever since, although President Trump couldn't stop singing Acosta's praises at every opportunity in ever media interview, even as Acosta was resigning under pressure during the Epstein blow-out.

He even mentioned at one point to reporters that he believed Acosta did a good job (or did his job, something like that) as a judge for Epstein's first trial. You know, the one which made it impossible to further investigate Epstein's associates, silenced victims and gave Epstein the sweetest deal of ever.

tl;dr Trump is a dirtbag. He's not "I grabbed a young girl on camera and whispered eagerly into her ear on a hot mic" tier like Biden, but he's still part of that broad sphere. He's just not a pedo
 
tl;dr Trump is a dirtbag. He's not "I grabbed a young girl on camera and whispered eagerly into her ear on a hot mic" tier like Biden, but he's still part of that broad sphere. He's just not a pedo
That makes sense. If Trump had any real pedo dirt on him, it would've been primetime news for months from the TDS media. All the real dirt they had on him (grab 'em by the pussy, his backstage "inspections" during pageants) came out in 2016.
 
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Maybe I missed where the recording came from, was it the whistleblower himself who secretly recorded? could the veritas people have talked him into a meeting that would be against his best interests to get a recording?
The whistleblower recorded it himself. He went public when a supervisor dredged up an old disciplinary incident out of the blue which tipped him off that his employers knew it was him. He was likely wired to record any evidence of harassment or intimidation from higher ups or coworkers.
 
Talking out your ass. He didn't embellish anything, by Veritas's insistence or not. That's just what the agents were trying to convince him he did, and either you've got a peanut brain and fell for it or you've got a dog in this race against his account/witness to push that idea.
These nobody agents were gunning for him in the same way they usually do with interrogation but dirty. They had him sign a conclusion before anything really started, then got into slowly sneaking in doubt for him to question himself while pressing the magnitude of the situation to make him anxious enough to believe it, that he may not have told the whole truth, namely by embellishment.

"I am trying to twist you a little bit" is not something professionals say during a proper interrogation, though.
"I am not scaring you, but I am scaring you" is also totally moronic for an interrogator to say.
Hence why the "coercion" claim, properly applied or not, and why I say you're talking out your ass trying to pretend this was just a typical interrogation.
There was no union rep present, either, and no real mention of a lawyer--though the latter is Hopkins' fault for not realizing that, whether it's officially Feds or not, never ever agree to a "sit down" without a lawyer. Also don't sign anything. He got the recording but come on, it's basic.

Now was it "coercion"? Depends on what "coercion" would be defined as in legal speak, not the dictionary, like "assault" and "battery" and "disorderly" (ie "assault" can be a shove or a threatening remark whereas "battery" can be a punch or a total beat down, and "disorderly conduct" can be drunken violence or simply not sitting on the sidewalk fast enough by the cop's estimation, the differences between Murder and Manslaughter with the varied degrees between them (Murder 1, 2, 3, Manslaughter 2, etc.) Legal speak is a whole other language made to be rigid yet malliable).

They were very sneaky and calculated in their manipulation not only of Hopkins but his words because they had an agenda and it was not to discern the truth. Again, anyone would realize this 20min into the 2hr audio unless they have peanut brains.
It's all tactics, like most interrogation that's not constricted by lawyers, but it's dirty with ts that "Promise me you won't talk to anybody" and "I'm trying to twist you". Whether or not this was illegal I don't know. Doesn't seem like it, but that "twist" remark would be enough to ruin the whole thing in other circumstances. You can't just say that as an interrogator and not get railed in court by a lawyer. I don't know anything about USPS agent interrogations, though. Honestly I'd have just left once I knew--before following anyone anywhere--that they weren't FBI.

Main takeaway, though, is that there was NO RETRACTION. Hopkins did not retract or recant his testimony, unlike what the mainstream media is pressing. He was talked into making whatever amendments they could wring from the stone, but that's not retraction. At best the media can lie and say he didn't have his story straight, but to continually claim retraction is wholly unfounded.
NO U.

To get to your first complaint about having Hopkins "sign a conclusion"; that is a Miranda waiver. Any interrogation will start with a reading of Miranda rights and a subsequent ask of the suspect to waive the rights. The purpose of having the waiver is to inform the suspect of their rights and to preserve the admissibility of the evidence from suppression. To clarify on your point about there being no real mention of the right to a lawyer, the police (which postal inspectors are) aren't obligated to inform you that you have a right to an attorney under Miranda. Some officers include that in a Miranda warning based on the jurisdiction, but it's not required. That's found in Michigan v. Tucker.

You're right that coercion has a specific legal meaning. As it turns out, the bar for coercion is very high. The police may lie, trick, deceive or other manipulate you into revealing things that might be against your interest. That's Illinois v. Perkins. Tactics are not coercion. Coercion in a legal sense requires to be circumstances so extreme that the person's free will was overborne and cannot be deemed the product of their own will. That's Lynumn v. Illinois. If one of the officers said for instance that he would get Hopkins fired for not saying what he wanted, that would likely be coercion.

But in any case, both of your bolded quotes are not at all concerning in their relevant context even from an ethical standpoint. I think it's fairly obvious you didn't listen to the audio, but on the off chance you did, the "twisting" quote comes from a point in the conversation where Strasser is put a little pressure on Hopkins to remember, and Str asser is acknowledging that. That is entirely permissible. Same with the "scaring" quote. Even if Strasser or Klein said something along the lines of, "I'm trying to scare you, because you're not taking this seriously. You're lying, and you better tell us the truth." That would be completely legal. Both Strasser and Klein state an innumerable number of times that they are trying to be accommodating to the pressure they know Hopkins is under.

Finally, there are no valid grounds that this could get suppressed on at court. You are simply wrong. This is not even close to being illegal or coercive. If by some miracle you are right, I will burn my J.D. and bar license, then upload the footage to this forum. You are right about one thing, though: he should have just left. He was reminded numerous times he could have left at any point. In fact, he was told at the start that he didn't have to talk all.

If you think this is a "bad" federal interrogation, I do hope you never have to be questioned by the feds. But if you do, just get a lawyer and save yourself some grief.
 
That makes sense. If Trump had any real pedo dirt on him, it would've been primetime news for months from the TDS media. All the real dirt they had on him (grab 'em by the pussy, his backstage "inspections" during pageants) came out in 2016.
They always cut “and they let you do it” part of that pussy quote off.
Trump was known as a billionaire playboy back in the day. The type of dude that these beauty pageant chicks where hoping to get hitched to.
 
That makes sense. If Trump had any real pedo dirt on him, it would've been primetime news for months from the TDS media. All the real dirt they had on him (grab 'em by the pussy, his backstage "inspections" during pageants) came out in 2016.
Tbh you know trump ain't a pedo just based on the women he surrounds himself with. He likes big breasted bimbos with more silicone than a semiconductor factory. I seriously doubt prepubescent girls tickle his fancy.
 
My understanding of that stance switch: Masks were limited at the start of the pandemy, and the craze gave hospitals who needed them a shortage.

Once a supply was obtained, the directive to use masks to protect oneself and people around was pushed back into public eyes.

Anything else sounds like conspirationnal over exagerration.

I keep seeing this "it went from mask useless to mask mandatory", and that's just not what I remember seeing, and I refuse to be gaslighted by assertions without strong evidence.
I feel you are already gaslit. The anti-mask stance was because "mask didn't work, it's science!". The balancing act thing was about schools.
 
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