Official Election 2020 Doomsday Thread

Who wins on November 3rd? (Zeitgeist, not who you're voting for)

  • Expecting a Trump win.

    Votes: 978 45.7%
  • Expecting a Biden win.

    Votes: 277 12.9%
  • Expecting no clear winner on November 3rd.

    Votes: 885 41.4%

  • Total voters
    2,140
  • Poll closed .
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Can someone who was following the initial election lawsuits answer a question for me: Were all of his early suits about poll watchers and the like thrown out because counting in the areas affected by the suit finished? I recall at least one case where the judge said counting was done, so the lawsuit was moot at that point. I am wondering if the initial suits that were thrown out were a case of showing up too late to the party. If that is the case, I would advise not thinking for a second that all following lawsuits will be thrown out in a similar fashion.

From what I can gather, the current legal arguments are around the procedures with handling ballots, which makes sense as step two of the process. I am guessing that any suit alleging actual fraud will be the final battle, because it makes zero sense to argue fraud in court first, I mean why make accusations of a crime when a simple rules violation gets the job done just as well? Sure, scream fraud in public all day but remember: Courts aren’t Twitter, courts require specifications.
That is my understanding of it. The money shot for Trump is the 14th amendment challenge which he has a very high probability of winning on. But he could win it and still lose the election, it would all depend on what remedy SCOTUS orders. They could in theory strike all mail in ballots that were cured or that where recieved/counted after 8pm/midnight on November 3. There is already precedent set with Bush V Gore and three of the SCOTUS justices were on Bush's legal team, though only two of them were heavy lifters for it, ACB only did like a week of work on it and cant even remember what specific part she worked on.
 
Hillary also called for a recount but we are not supposed to remember that do we?
The government followed through to an extent as well. There were recounts filed in 4 states and in 2 of those states they were completed successfully.

I find it funny that people get so worked up about recounts every time an election happens. It makes the winning side look like assholes, imo. The Dems should not fight the recount, as a recount is unlikely to change the results. Ultimately, it's the lawsuits and the auditing that they have to worry about. The recounts are a side show.
 
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Nobody really won.
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The government followed through to an extent as well. There were recounts filed in 4 states and in 2 of those states they were completed successfully.

I find it funny that people get so worked up about recounts every time an election happens. It makes the winning side look like assholes, imo. The Dems should not fight the recount, as a recount is unlikely to change the results. Ultimately, it's the lawsuits and the auditing that they have to worry about. The recounts are a side show.
I am totally fine with recounts in close states. I was fine with it 2016 and am fine with it now. However, there's no denying that Trump and his cult are acting like whiny bitches over this whole thing and won't accept defeat. Amazing how they don't seem to think Republicans won senate seats by fraud in the same election
 
Fair enough but without trying to sound like too much of a lackey, can you point to something specific he did that makes him the most incompetent president in history?
This is somewhat subjective, of course, but I don't think Trump is the most incompetent president in history. James Buchanan managed to bumble his way into a civil war, something that Trump hasn't managed.

Trump's mismanagement of the coronavirus pandemic is a great example of his inability to respond to the challenges of the presidency: back in February, the White House was assuring us that the danger of a coronavirus outbreak in the U.S. was minimal. Since then, Trump has fluctuated between announcing that coronavirus isn't a real threat, to telling us that it's a terrible threat that is only getting worse; he's encouraged people to take quack cures, publicly disregarded the rules set forth by his own government, gotten into public squabbles with his health advisors, and done everything he can to shift responsibility for the pandemic onto state leaders and evade responsibility for leadership himself. All this mayhem has contributed to the U.S.'s current record-breaking rates of coronavirus infection.

These sorts of crisis have historically created a large bump in popularity for incumbents, but polling didn't show that for this president. If Trump had demonstrated strong leadership during the pandemic, rather than turning it into yet another reality-TV sideshow, he might have won this election.
 
This is somewhat subjective, of course, but I don't think Trump is the most incompetent president in history. James Buchanan managed to bumble his way into a civil war, something that Trump hasn't managed.

Trump's mismanagement of the coronavirus pandemic is a great example of his inability to respond to the challenges of the presidency: back in February, the White House was assuring us that the danger of a coronavirus outbreak in the U.S. was minimal. Since then, Trump has fluctuated between announcing that coronavirus isn't a real threat, to telling us that it's a terrible threat that is only getting worse; he's encouraged people to take quack cures, publicly disregarded the rules set forth by his own government, gotten into public squabbles with his health advisors, and done everything he can to shift responsibility for the pandemic onto state leaders and evade responsibility for leadership himself. All this mayhem has contributed to the U.S.'s current record-breaking rates of coronavirus infection.

These sorts of crisis have historically created a large bump in popularity for incumbents, but polling didn't show that for this president. If Trump had demonstrated strong leadership during the pandemic, rather than turning it into yet another reality-TV sideshow, he might have won this election.
What more should Trump have done? Should we just lock down forever?
 
Well I guess we better audit all these elections now shouldn't we? Or is it that only bad when it's claimed that the Democrats run the fraud machine?
Well, if we audit one, we should audit the senate races, too, no? Or are those okay because the Republicans won?
 
This is somewhat subjective, of course, but I don't think Trump is the most incompetent president in history. James Buchanan managed to bumble his way into a civil war, something that Trump hasn't managed.

Trump's mismanagement of the coronavirus pandemic is a great example of his inability to respond to the challenges of the presidency: back in February, the White House was assuring us that the danger of a coronavirus outbreak in the U.S. was minimal. Since then, Trump has fluctuated between announcing that coronavirus isn't a real threat, to telling us that it's a terrible threat that is only getting worse; he's encouraged people to take quack cures, publicly disregarded the rules set forth by his own government, gotten into public squabbles with his health advisors, and done everything he can to shift responsibility for the pandemic onto state leaders and evade responsibility for leadership himself. All this mayhem has contributed to the U.S.'s current record-breaking rates of coronavirus infection.

These sorts of crisis have historically created a large bump in popularity for incumbents, but polling didn't show that for this president. If Trump had demonstrated strong leadership during the pandemic, rather than turning it into yet another reality-TV sideshow, he might have won this election.
I agree that his mixed messaging and inability to communicate effectively during covid hurt him. But IMO, the subversive media played at least a 50% role in the shitshow. Here are the numbers I was referring to in my last post:

Deaths per million

US - 747
France - 651
Spain - 865
UK - 740
Italy - 721
Belgium - 1,185 (oy vey)

For futher context, here are some states:

Texas - 675
California - 458
Florida - 809
New York - 1,743
New Jersey - 1,872

Illinois - 856

Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

So if Trump mishandled the pandemic so badly, surely all the leaders of the above countries deserve to be thrown out of office? Trump did himself no favors with his constant firing from the hip. But the media in this country is so fucked and basically has been reduced to a propaganda arm for the DNC. Their framing of the issue is what lead to trump acting like a total retard. He should have controlled himself but he just couldn't. All of that aside, I really don't think his record is that bad.
 
Well, if we audit one, we should audit the senate races, too, no? Or are those okay because the Republicans won?
Yes, as many as possible, you haven't been paying attention much have you? Or is that strawworld you've constructed obstructing your view of the thread?
 
Funny, I don't see you copers talking about auditing the senate vote. Just the presidency.
When they audit they will be validating or discounting entire ballots. Do you know that you don't vote on a separate ballot for each race? Are you under the impression that the presidential race is on it's own ballot? Perhaps the cope has gone to your head.
 
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