2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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MrJokerRager said:
That is rocky terrain, its suicide to push troops through the goddamn Hindu Kush mountains. The Chinese mountain corps must be very well prepared for a push through those mountains. It makes more sense to have US bases in Mongolia or Vietnam lol than Afghanistan.
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Agreed, the Afghan "border" with China is a tiny sliver of mountainous terrain connecting with far western China. I don't see any strategic value in Afghanistan against China, unless the various Glow-In-The-Darks want to use it to smuggle arms to Uighur separatists or something equally retarded.
 
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verissimus said:
...what on earth are you babbling about. Wtf good is a few bases in Afghanistan going to do against China?
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Same thing a few bases in Japan or in South Korea would do against China or those Gulf military bases would do against Iran. Provides a secure area near a hostile nation where US military can bring soldiers and dispatch commands without having to set up the infrastructure beforehand.
 
Jaimas said:
Well, sure, I can get into my own extremely unscientific thoughts on it, but I don't know how useful it will be.
If you want it, follow me under the spoiler tag.

Like the right, the left in the USA has always had a multitude of subfactions with different belief structures, goals, and ideals. These range from the oldschool Liberals to Jackson Progressives, to the Southern Dems, down through your Libertarians, Greens, and so on down to the dregs in the Anarchist and Socialist camps.

The DNC having a massive disconnect between its constituents and higher-ups is nothing new. At this point the party has almost forty consecutive years of running on extremely popular platforms, but then barely pushing them at all when they get the chance. Sometimes, like the ACA (for a more recent example), their inability to push forward policy is absolutely a good thing, Other times, like when they flat-out run on things like repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell, or the Patriot Act, get in, and then do fuck all about it, leaving it for Bush or Trump to knock the fuck over for the easiest win in history, speaks infinitely louder.

What has changed over the years is how they choose to conduct themselves, and equally importantly, which subfaction of the Dems was in charge of the Clown Car that was the DNC when it was puttering along. When the oldschool Northern Dems or Southern Dems were in charge, you tended to actually get good policy from them for a change and actually good legislation worked on with the other side, which is exactly why the DNC fought tooth and claw to prevent those from gaining a foothold in any way, shape, or form. The DNC wanted the Uniparty status quo, and make no mistake of that.

Different subfactions would gain and lose power in the Democratic Party over the years, and get to control the steering wheel of the Clown Car, but the people dictating where the car was actually going never changed. However, the powers that be had their preferences, and none were as obvious as the Blue Dog Caucus, self-proclaimed centrists who basically were Neocons in every way but social issues and would basically do everything the Neocons wanted and then some before whining about how if only they had more power, they could have prevented it, as if we were, collectively, supposed to ignore shit like most of the fuckers voting to invade Iraq or for the Patriot Act in the fucking first place. The establishment could not suck the dicks of these assholes hard enough, because they could claim to be left on Social issues and then turn right around and vote lockstep with the Neocons on shit. Nobody likes a fucking triangulator.

While all this was going on, the Dem establishment never missed a chance to fuck up any effort to fix this paradigm. Any candidate that looked to be riding a populist swell or looked like they'd actually fucking do anything would get nuked from orbit. Vermont finally has enough of living embodiment of everything wrong with politics Joe Lieberman and successfully Primaries his ass out of office? Well, too bad, fuckers, he's gonna run as an Independent with the DNC funneling hundreds of millions into his campaign coffers while actively forcing their ground game to not back Ned Lamont, all that to stop a relatively unimportant seat from being taken by an actual populist. That uppity little shit Anthony Weiner's agitating against the revolving door of Congress again, and this time he's caucusing with Republicans on a bill that would force congressmen to disclose when they had a conflict-of-interest with the beneficiary of a bill? We can't have that. Better make a sex scandal materialize from nowhere and quietly feed it to the press on the Right at juuuuuust at the right time to completely fuck his career. A major presidential candidate is riding an actual populist swell back in 2000? Fucking cut his mic during a press event to turn him into a meme, pay off the press to actively deny him coverage afterwards to stall his momentum, buy off the other contenders, and award the most status-quo candidate you have the nomination, even though he's as Charismatic as a box of rocks. As acting DNC chair, the same dude you just fucked out of the Nomination employs an actual strategy that actually wins over moderate Republicans? We can't have that shit, what do you think this is, a Republic?! Oust him from his position and replace him with a shithead who insists we only need to run ads or campaign in stronghold states, so the only Dems that can get into a position of power are the ones so thoroughly on the take that there is zero chance of them ever doing anything but the most status-quo shit imaginable. Actual candidates worth a damn are running in 2004? Tamp down that and run human speedbump John Kerry. Fucking magic.

Neither of the very public two times Bernie got cornholed by the establishment were anything new, is what I'm getting at here.

However, like I said earlier, what breed of Clown gets their hands on the steering wheel periodically changes up a bit over time. See, when I was active in the DNC, the Progressives weren't as crazy and the Socialists weren't as powerful, internally, in the Democratic Party as they are now. In general they were seen, at best, as useful idiots, and at worst, dangerous elements that needed to be reined in. Members of them in positions of actual power were virtually unheard of at the time, because the Dem establishment wanted Blue Dog-style Dems. The problem is that behind the scenes, a lot of the big guns in the staffer departments were getting old. They were retiring, leaving the DNC in disgust, and outright dying. This caused an enormous power vaccuum within the mid-level staff in the DNC, and who filled these positions were mostly these old politicians' understudies - who were, predominantly, much less experienced and - much harder left.

In 2008, the Progressives gained control of the steering wheel, and it was expected that Hillary would bulldoze her competition at the time. Unfortunately for her, Hillary got curb-stomped. Very early on, her incredibly bad popularity caught up to her, and it became mathematically impossible for her to win the nomination, and Obama clinched it. The establishment didn't care; Obeme was still their guy. The thing is, in her anger, Hillary refused to concede, and her supporters, including a number of major staffers, went full fifth column, threatening to Broker the Convention unless Hillary was the declared the nominee, even though she could not win at that point. I remember it well because several of my family members were die-hard for Hillary and flat-out could not accept that any other Dem could win. If you were on Democratic websites at the time, you got to see some truly inspired shit, as enraged Hillary supporters fired off Anti-Obama screeds that wouldn't have gone amiss on Stormfront. Ya boi @AnOminous can confirm it for you. What started with temper-tantrums grew quickly to the point where they were talking about primarying establishment candidates and actively crippling the Obama campaign, and in one of the worst moves ever made, the DNC chose a veritable Devil's Bargain to appease them, by having Obama throw her a bone with a cabinet position. This was a fucking terrible decision.

Anyone familiar with how modern hard-lefties operate in online spaces will tell you that the second one of them gets into a sufficiently high-level position of authority, unless they are somehow stopped, they will, over time, take over any available positions within an infrastructure. This is exactly what happened to the DNC, and soon almost every mid-level staffer in the DNC was one of these asshats. Again, the guys directing where the Clown Car was ultimately going were still in place, but the fringe had effectively ejected all the other Clowns from the vehicle. This meant, among other things, that their machinations had to get a lot more overt. With them having dominant positions in the DNC, they were actually able to dictate policy, and this led to the major gains the hard left made during the Obama administration. Naturally the Clown Car crashed firmly into a ditch in 2016, and, with the hard left gaining even more power in the mainstream apparatuses of the left since, it's only gotten more blatant.

They learned basically nothing from the experience, except for the fact that they were willing to fuck every single one of us to get their way in 2020, and what this ultimately broken attempt to rig an election may comprise their most blatant act to date. They would rther destroy everything than sacrifice even a single crumb of power for themselves, a level of hubris most of us can't even imagine.
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So a combination of all 3 possibilities I mentioned then? The old machines get taken over, by people that are insane ideologues filling positions vacated either out of disgust or frustration that their particular brand of corruption didn’t get to come about how they wanted, leading to them scrambling to regain power in the most vile way possible when the new DNC saw that their overreach had worn through the agreements that kept the worst of the maddness obscured? I’m assuming they know that there’s probably no going back even if they pull it off, right? This is far more blatent than what happened in 1960, without the benefit of being hidden like that was. For all the doomer shit flying, a lot of people Left, Right, and Center are not going to unsee this.
 
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make_it_so said:
Agreed, the Afghan "border" with China is a tiny sliver of mountainous terrain connecting with far western China. I don't see any strategic value in Afghanistan against China, unless the various Glow-In-The-Darks want to use it to smuggle arms to Uighur separatists or something equally retarded.
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Dont forget Afghanistan shares a border with Iran.
 
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Cat Menagerie said:
This happens a lot in unbalanced precincts such as this one. All it means is that the State Board will do it.
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The precinct board had as many people as the state board has: two each of Republican and Democrats. Or do you mean unbalanced because the number of votes is greater than the number of people on the roll?
 
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I wonder what's the 4D chess plan involving the troops abroad. It's a dangerous strategy considering how many RINO/neocon cucks are within the party, and how he desperately needs their support, but at the same time Trump must feel damn sure of his chances to undertake such a risk.

What a year. What a time to be alive.

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X Prime said:
Before you guys get too excited about Michigan:

www.bridgemi.com

Joe Biden won, Michigan elector coup ‘not going to happen,’ GOP leader says

Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey says Democrat Joe Biden is the president-elect and the Legislature’s investigation of the election won’t change the results in Michigan.
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MrJokerRager said:
Well looks like the Georgia and Arizona GOPs have competition.
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Puerto Pollo said:
People like this are the reason the nuclear option is the last resort. The SCOTUS ruling in favor of Trump would help enormously.
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