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A good example of why, even though it sounds ridiculous to say ALL of Phil's money is going to these games, it could easily be thousands of dollars a month.
WWE Champions General - Despite his claims, DSP is still spending thousands of dollars on the WWE Champions mobile game
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The Penultimate Warrior
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I'm certain that on some of his breaks he will go and immediately spend every cent he's earned thus far in tips.
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I don't think it's multiple thousands. If the figure of $40K to reach VIP level 13 is accurate, he probably averaged a bit over a thousand a month to get there in the time he did - certainly less than two. We can only guess whether his spending was higher in the past, but it has at least been a constant burn rate for all of 2020.
It wouldn't surprise me if (pulling some numbers out from between my gouty toes) he spends "only" $50/day on Champions (which may very well be the price of one item), and it somehow adds up to $1500/month.
So the question still remains: where's the rest of the money going?
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Based on what we know, other mobile games that we haven't found (or haven't found accounts for). See, for example, his account in Marvel: Future Fight that was completely whaled out top to bottom.
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My knowledge on mobile games is fairly limited and probably dated, so I might be off on this. You're probably right that, on average, he doesn't blow his entire PayPal account, but it sounds like what really hits his banks is pulling for characters/skins. I recall Phil saying before on Discord he'd throw a few hundred bucks into pulls for a character and not actually get them, and there was the Reddit post with some other whale claiming the same except with a much larger number. Phil likes to weirdly be a completionist over stupid things, and he is also all about collectables, so it doesn't seem like a stretch to imagine him throwing thousands to expand his jpeg collection. I'm assuming Champions is aware of these whales and releases characters fairly often, probably at least one or two a month. Then you also need items/powerups/whatever to level those guys up, which is more money. Then there's certain tournaments, which again seem to be hosted fairly recently, that require X types of characters or whatever, so there's more money spent pulling/boosting your team. And usually there's some kind of item system that lets you heal/participate more in events, and if you're doing a competition, you're competing against other whales so it becomes pure pay to win.
I think his food budget makes up another solid chunk of wasted income. He might have the occasional turkey/potato meal cooked up by Kat, but it seems like on most days, they rely on takeout. Phil's mentioned in the past he goes to overpriced places, which become even slightly more overpriced when you tack on delivery charges. Not every meal is from a classy place, we all know Phil and Kat enjoy fast food, but even that adds up pretty quickly if you're doing it the majority of the time.
I'd guess the rest is dumb impulse buys. The only reason I don't think this is a larger part of Phil's money sink is Covid makes it harder for him to do his usual mall walks. And, while it is hard to remember because of how often he lies about it, Phil actually does have to pay bills once a month, so that's where whatever dregs are left in his account go. There's also Kat related expenses, but I feel like it doesn't take that much spending to keep her appeased.
Personally, I think it's going to things for his house, hence his absolute refusal to show anything from his house other than his ahffice. He may be giving lots of things to Khet as well, to keep her around. And I'm fairly sure he eats from takeouts A LOT.
I'm not american, so I can't really estimate the prices, but I imagine that having, let's say, 60 takeouts per month (assuming that half his lunches/dinners are takeouts, and that whenever he orders takeouts he also orders for Khet), how expensive would that be? I assume it'd be pretty high.
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If you take the high end cost of lunch as $10/person and dinner at $20/person (probably a little low, tbh), you get $900/person on takeout a month, assuming 30 lunches and 30 dinners. If he's getting fancier/more expensive stuff, the cost would go up.
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To put that in comparison, the average cost of groceries each month for one person ranges between $165 and $345, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. So he's spending 3-5x as much as he should be.
And thats assuming no breakfast or snacks or booze etc.
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I expect he's having restaurant food delivered rather than takeaway, otherwise he'd be more fat than he already is. Remember his personal expenditure was $5,000 monthly in the bankruptcy proceedings. Good chunk of that will be food, it's one of the only topics he's passionate about when someone asks him about it.
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The thing with gatcha is you need the help of RNGesus. 1 in 1000 chance you might get it on the first pull. You might get it on the 10000 pull. You have a .1% chance. Like the lottery. Except you don't win money, you win a JPEG of a half naked man.
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Anyone can luck out and single pull a gacha character.
Phil is maxing characters, which requires multiple copies.
Now I'm not saying nobody's ever gotten 2-3 copies of a card in a ten pull before.
But I think he needs 5 or 6 copies? Ajd he has (basically) every wrestler maxed?
Nobodys odds stay hot long enough to make that cheap.
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Not to mention that such games most likely aren't pure chance, and are specifically designed to get people addicted. It probably sees how many copies you have and decreases the odds accordingly.
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I would expect $1500-$2000 on average for the high tier characters, based on what whales in other games spend. The lower tier ones he would probably get at the same time.
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Some of these games are like...that drug dealer that gives you JUST a taste of the good stuff, but then sells you the not-good stuff continually.
The one game I play does exactly this. There's a "Monthly Chest" that you can open repeatedly by spending the premium currency (crystals) for a chance to get that month's new character/card/whatever. You get one freebie every 8 days, but otherwise each chest will run you 400 crystals, or what would amount to about 5 bucks if you actually went through the in-game shop to blow money on it. You're almost guaranteed to get whatever featured character/card within the first 3-5 chests. Aaaaaand that's the black dragon that many chase. Of course, there's all kinds of other ways that this particular game tries to pry shekels away from you, like being able to power-level your characters beyond what is possible for non-whales (for ludicrous amounts of crystals), huge rewards for REALLY high VIP players (the highest tier requires you to buy 6 million crystals...the biggest crystal sack you can buy is 3000 for $99.99...running up your cheerssubsandtips requirement to almost $200k), and other deceptive "deals" during the bimonthly events (buy this item pack and get crystals, potions, cheese, character fragments, and magic keys...a total value of $146 for ONLY $4.99!).
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I study managment and one of the things that we learned in administration class is that the more distant and less concrete you make a payment method the more likely the client will purchase,that's why you should always offer credit card payment even if paying with cash is better for you since its easier to concrete a sale with a credit card than with real paper bills that the client has to take out of his wallet and give to you. The same thing applies with games with in-game currency,its easier for them to sell your chests and shit if it has to be bought with something that is not concrete like crystals,heroes of the storm( a MOBA) use to have store items measured in money and it changed to in-game currency.
This mobile game addiction thing has so many ramifications that it turned phil from a 6/10 cow to almost a 10 in my opinion.
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From what I understand he hasn't gotten the 2 newest WRASSLERS yet. He must actually be really hurting from the chargebacks.
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This could definitely be true.
I remember one of Guersan's videos a while back where he did a a single 50 pull and hit the ultra rare featured character at four star gold. The trick was that he still had the character in his inventory from where Scopely had lent it to him while he made the gameplay video for them. Since he already had it, he was instead awarded 2000 shards of that specific wrestler.
It struck a number of people as way too coincidental that he would magically hit the jackpot character on his first shot while it just so happened to be in his account already.
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I don't think he necessarily spends 1000s of dollars in one sitting, but since its DSP, he's probably making small daily transactions of $10-$20 which to him doesn't seem to be a lot.
"Well I made $150 in tips, why not spend $30 on a Bulk Bogan Ultra Rare sweatcard".
But the mature business degree owner can't figure that all of these transactions pile up and can basically be as much as some of his actual bills he complains about having to pay
"Well I made $150 in tips, why not spend $30 on a Bulk Bogan Ultra Rare sweatcard".
But the mature business degree owner can't figure that all of these transactions pile up and can basically be as much as some of his actual bills he complains about having to pay
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I agree, but I think considering even $20 a "small" transaction is generous to him. There was a screenshot ways back when (many pages back, I think he was still in his original guild at the time) NotPhil asked something along the lines of "has anybody bought that $200 package yet? If so, is it worth it?" followed immediately by "No worries -- I just bought it" followed immediately by "I also just bought the $100 package to see how they compare." It might not be an every day or even every week type thing but I can definitely see how someone who so nonchalantly drops $300 in the space of a few minutes out of curiosity can rack up northwards of thousands a month.
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