Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Yeeted Teet]

Not just that, the psychological issues wil be huge. It's like we're trying to raise a generation of paranoid autists. I really do fear for kids growing up right now, the fallout is going to be huge

There are kids who were born this year who have never seen an unmasked adult face other than their parents. Do we even know what that could do to their brain development?


As an aside, this thread will be fascinating from a historical perspective. It goes from before most people were even aware of the virus, through the peak doomerism all the way to skepticism and anger. It has perspectives from people all over the world in different situations with different levels of scientific literacy, showing their opinions changing in real time. It'd be interesting to read back over, even five or ten years form now.

 

[teriyakiburns]

There are kids who were born this year who have never seen an unmasked adult face other than their parents. Do we even know what that could do to their brain development?


As an aside, this thread will be fascinating from a historical perspective. It goes from before most people were even aware of the virus, through the peak doomerism all the way to skepticism and anger. It has perspectives from people all over the world in different situations with different levels of scientific literacy, showing their opinions changing in real time. It'd be interesting to read back over, even five or ten years form now.

Assuming Null doesn't nuke the site when Biden is done sniffing around section 230.

 

[Otterly]

Consider this in regard to those SCIENCE! types:

Most people go to (crappy) public school for their primary education, few receive any kind of "advanced" early education, but many of them then go on to college where they are taught advanced concepts. The problem with this is that they have no understanding of the fundamentals, the very basics of critical thinking, rigorous scientific method, empiricism, or anything else that forms the foundation for the sciences. They are not thinkers so to speak, they lack the frame to form their own independent concepts, worldviews, or to modify the information they're taught through a first principles approach (or even an experimental approach).

So they go to college where they are taught complex subjects whole, and they essentially memorize what they're told. Whether what they're told is even correct varies (more so in the lib arts spaces), but they form a sort of relationship with knowledge that relies on authority and memorization. Because of this, their ability to THINK is entirely limited to the framework of what they've memorized. Sometimes, an authority will distribute more information, and they will at best synthesize it poorly with their existing knowledge, or at worst compartmentalize it entirely.

Smart and creative people are affected less by this systemic problem, but that's a very small portion of the population and even they have to be taught some kind of critical thinking. Personally, I never finished a degree, but my early education was top notch. Using what I was taught well before high school has allowed me to work with unfamiliar concepts and to synthesize my own original meta-frames to form an understanding of the world around me. I'm not the smartest person, but I've very rarely run into people (including highly educated ones) who really surprised or interested me with their ideas/thinking (as opposed to their specific knowledge of a particular field). In fact, in conversation I usually find that comprehensive analyses or theories that I consider pretty obvious are novel to most. It's almost like this is an unintended consequence of a highly specialized and over-complicated society.

Can I just point out that having a cycle threshold of 37-40 for positives is not a good thing. Under 30 is usually a definite positive, over 40 is junk data. 37-40 is pushing it about as far as it can go. It’s dodgy, or pushing dodgy - mass PCR like this is not a good way of screening people.

I said at the beginning that I’d be really interested to have a deep look at the primers people use and how they’re designed (nested?)
The list of ‘facts’ about this virus is full of contradictory data. I wonder if we will ever have a handle on the truth?

 

[Clockwork_PurBle]

I feel particularly bad for the student athletes, especially ones in high school, whose spring sports were completely cancelled. Imagine spending the entire first half of the year preparing for spring and then not getting to play. Being a senior and not getting to play your last year, potentially missing out on any sports scholarships you may have been up for otherwise.

And this extends to any spring activity for any student or person really. I had 2 months of rehearsal for a stage production only for it to be cancelled the week before opening night. I updated my resume last week and removed that show; felt weird doing so.

 

[moocow]

A few days after mandatory public masking. Went to the grocery store. Didn't wear a mask. No one cared, not even the cashier. I'd imagine there's not much appetite for mandatory masking here.

I went to Orlando Int'l Airport yesterday for an appointment with the TSA for their "precheck" thing. Forgot to wear a mask. Nobody cared one bit. I even asked a couple employees at a rental car counter for directions to the TSA office, and they didn't care either. I also asked them for a spare disposable mask, and they said they didn't have any at the counter and weren't concerned about it. The TSA folks didn't care either. Never even came up.

There were plenty of other people walking around without masks, including a pilot who clearly gave zero fucks, and nobody cared. All this while there's a mandatory mask order for Orange County, FL.

People are officially over it.

 

[Mrs. Addams]

I feel particularly bad for the student athletes, especially ones in high school, whose spring sports were completely cancelled. Imagine spending the entire first half of the year preparing for spring and then not getting to play. Being a senior and not getting to play your last year, potentially missing out on any sports scholarships you may have been up for otherwise.

And this extends to any spring activity for any student or person really. I had 2 months of rehearsal for a stage production only for it to be cancelled the week before opening night. I updated my resume last week and removed that show; felt weird doing so.

Any seriously competitive young athlete in an indoor sport has been totally unfairly screwed. Theater is another sad casualty.

I had a very candied chat with a couple friends last night. Apparently several of them have gone on ADHD and depression meds since lock-down, just to be able to function, and keep their jobs, and they're 100% blaming the current situation and are saying they're not coming off or even adjusting doses (one says meds make her numb), till Covid is over. I probably should go on ADHD meds, but then I'd actually get work done and stop hanging out here.

We also had a random 6-year old running around obsessively hugging everyone at the Friendsgiving party because she hasn't seen people in months. There was a lot of hugging actually... More than I've had all year. And then yesterday somebody came back with a positive Covid connection, so now we're all trying to figure out if we can go see our grandparents on actual Thanksgiving.

 

[clusterfuckk]

Not just that, the psychological issues wil be huge. It's like we're trying to raise a generation of paranoid autists. I really do fear for kids growing up right now, the fallout is going to be huge

I have a teenager and two adult kids and the adults are managing as well as can be expected I suppose however my teenager told me last night he doesn’t even feel human anymore. He said he has no purpose and feels like he is in a ‘simulation’ where every day is exactly the same. Thankfully he talks to me about it, not all kids probably do.

I feel particularly bad for the student athletes, especially ones in high school, whose spring sports were completely cancelled. Imagine spending the entire first half of the year preparing for spring and then not getting to play. Being a senior and not getting to play your last year, potentially missing out on any sports scholarships you may have been up for otherwise.

And this extends to any spring activity for any student or person really. I had 2 months of rehearsal for a stage production only for it to be cancelled the week before opening night. I updated my resume last week and removed that show; felt weird doing so.

Again my kids was playing hockey at the elite level and it’s all been quashed. In Canada even though we do not have nearly the same amount of ‘cases’ (I use the term loosely because positive tests do not necessarily mean a case) they have tripled down on the bull shit measures and Canadians are a bunch of weak simps who just take it and get their joy by acting virtuous and becoming the gestapo for the govt.
I digress; though my kid is not obsessed with hockey, it was an outlet for him, it was exercise, socialization and frankly it was fun. Given the equipment they wear the likelihood of transmission is virtually nil, yet they are unable to play.
Sorry I’m rambling but despite my own mental health issues, it kills me beyond belief to see my once vibrant, social and overall happy kid take such a turn. I makes me homicidal.

 

[General Disarray]

Between Covid and the presidential election I'm feeling like one of my favorite Pink Floyd songs sums it up:

The memories of a man in his old age
Are the deeds of a man in his prime.
You shuffle in gloom of the sickroom
And talk to yourself as you die.

Life is a short, warm moment
And death is a long cold rest.
You get your chance to try in the twinkling of an eye:
Eighty years, with luck, or even less.

So all aboard for the American tour,
And maybe you'll make it to the top.
And mind how you go, and I can tell you, 'cause I know
You may find it hard to get off.

You are the angel of death
And I am the dead man's son.
And he was buried like a mole in a fox hole.
And everyone is still in the run.

And who is the master of fox hounds?
And who says the hunt has begun?
And who calls the tune in the courtroom?
And who beats the funeral drum?

The memories of a man in his old age
Are the deeds of a man in his prime.
You shuffle in gloom in the sickroom
And talk to yourself till you die.

 

[Blake Chortles]

There are kids who were born this year who have never seen an unmasked adult face other than their parents. Do we even know what that could do to their brain development?

My daughter was born in March and holy shit this is so true. She gets visibly confused and stares at people with masks. She cried at my wife once when she had one on. I made a commitment to scared family members to mask up for Thanksgiving a few months ago and do online church for 2 weeks prior. I told them thats it and it will never happen again, not for Christmas, etc. It doesn't help, they are still scared to death. and I don't think I'm loving them by feeding into it.

Humans aren't meant to live this way. This is no way to serve God. Closed off and hermit like, afraid all the time. Jesus devotes like 20% of his longest sermon ever to admonishing worry as sin. There's a world of difference between looking both ways before crossing the street and living this way.

 

[Homegrown Homophobia]

Speaking of God, none of the Hispanic Evangelical churches where I live seem to have shut down. One even holds service outside but put a tarp up to block out any prying eyes.

 

[Bender]

We kept being told that all we had to do was flattens the curve. So the nation shut down.

Then we needed good testing to see where the problems were so we could open up again. So we stayed shut down.

Then we got tests, and positive test results meant we had to shut down. Or stay shut down. Or something.

The next goal post was a vaccine. We have multiple vaccines with good results in what is apparently small test groups - 30k people is small? IDK, I’ve learned more about vaccines than I need to.

Oh, now we have to test kids with the brand new vaccine.

Fuck

On the bright side at least my local park isn't filled with dickheads who think the only appropriate response to me glancing in their general direction is to stab me to death.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

The whole mask thing? I've never worn one, never will. What sort of proof do they ask for in the US if you say you're exempt for medical reasons? In the UK they can't ask and you're under no obligation to prove anything . What's it like elsewhere?

 

[clusterfuckk]

The whole mask thing? I've never worn one, never will. What sort of proof do they ask for in the US if you say you're exempt for medical reasons? In the UK they can't ask and you're under no obligation to prove anything . What's it like elsewhere?

In Canada, we have the same ‘exemption’ however most places have got around it by saying it’s a ‘private company policy and don’t shop there if you don’t like it’ kind of attitude.
So really on paper you can claim exemption but in reality you can still be refused entry.
That’s how the Ontario govt does it. They don’t FORCE per se; they just eliminate any option without one.

 

[AveraDiane]

My area was recently listed a yellow zone according to Governor Cuomo, despite us having only 517 cases out of the population of 17000.

My middle school also closed down for 3 cases. 3. Fucking. Cases.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

In Canada, we have the same ‘exemption’ however most places have got around it by saying it’s a ‘private company policy and don’t shop there if you don’t like it’ kind of attitude.
So really on paper you can claim expedition but in reality you can still be refused entry.
That’s how the Ontario govt does it. They don’t FORCE per se; they just eliminate any option without one.

Wow. That's appalling. Here, most of stores have recognised this: some people who can't wear masks live on their own and can't do online shopping for lack of funds to meet the minimum spend or lack of space. A few of the big supermarkets have policies of " not our business, we dont care and we're not gonna ask".

Pretty sure that policy ON has is fucked and goes against rights of citizens but I guess it depends on what type of law takes precedent and how Canadian law "works" ( I'd argue a country that allows yaniv to do what he does has a fucked legal system, tbh).

 

[Hollywood Hitler]

My area was recently listed a yellow zone according to Governor Cuomo, despite us having only 517 cases out of the population of 17000.

My middle school also closed down for 3 cases. 3. Fucking. Cases.

Cuomo is listing my area as an Orange Zone. All this color-code system shit reminds me of when I was in 8th or 9th grade after 9/11 happened.

 

[bippu_as_fuck_ls400]

The whole mask thing? I've never worn one, never will. What sort of proof do they ask for in the US if you say you're exempt for medical reasons? In the UK they can't ask and you're under no obligation to prove anything . What's it like elsewhere?

I'm four months in to not wearing a mask. At first I was carrying around an asthma inhaler and using that as an excuse if someone mentioned that masks are required. In the last two months, no one has said anything to me at all.

They don't ask for any proof in stores anyway. 99% of retail, in my experience, has been instructed to not confront people who are maskless. Nationwide, there have been a number of people physically assaulted or shot because they tried to tell someone to put on a mask.

The only place you would probably be refused entry without a mask is at a hospital or doctor's office (barring a legit medical need to stay unmasked).

I've travelled throughout the Southeast US to multiple states since May and outside of the older population (99% masked), the general population went from about 75% masked then to about 30% masked now. Everywhere still has "masks required" signs posted and local ordinances are in effect in some municipalities, but they are being ignored. The Southeast is a whole different beast, so I don't know what it's like in hellholes like California or in the Northeast.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Reporter: "Governor Cuomo, what about the lives being ruined by the lockdown?"
Cuomo: "We live in a society"

 

[Fliddaroonie]

I'm four months in to not wearing a mask. At first I was carrying around an asthma inhaler and using that as an excuse if someone mentioned that masks are required. In the last two months, no one has said anything to me at all.

They don't ask for any proof in stores anyway. 99% of retail, in my experience, has been instructed to not confront people who are maskless. Nationwide, there have been a number of people physically assaulted or shot because they tried to tell someone to put on a mask.

The only place you would probably be refused entry without a mask is at a hospital or doctor's office (barring a legit medical need to stay unmasked).

I've travelled throughout the Southeast US to multiple states since May and outside of the older population (99% masked), the general population went from about 75% masked then to about 30% masked now. Everywhere still has "masks required" signs posted and local ordinances are in effect in some municipalities, but they are being ignored. The Southeast is a whole different beast, so I don't know what it's like in hellholes like California or in the Northeast.

I don't think I'd advocate for violence towards people asking about masks,that seems like an overreaction. I know the grocery store I shop in, they tend to be familiar with people who can't wear them (or who say they can't) and they've gone the other way. After a spate of bedwetters freaking over people not wearing them, they have on a few occasions now, made people harassing those not wearing them leave the store.

I wrote to their head office about it, saying I was glad they weren't discriminating against people for their medical history and their response was pretty much "its not our business but we will not deprive people of the ability to buy food, and it would penalise the poorest off to ban people not wearing masks".

As for medical settings here, if you cover your ass and speak to your doctor and get a note on your files, again, you wont be made to wear one.

I despise that we even have to play this game but I'd rather do that than just pander and wear one. For what a virus with an over 99% survivability rate? And I'm sick of the "you dont care about other people" guilt tripping. The genuinely vulnerable are being helped to stay home. The only "at risk " people out are fatties. And I do not see why I should care for those who do not care for themselves.

 

[Xerxes IX]

I was originally doomering about how miserable the holiday season is going to be this year, but I'm determined to have a good Christmas. I'll make my folks stop talking about nothing but Trump and Corona if I have to because god damn it this is my favorite holiday and I won't let out of touch politicians and sanctimonious virtue signalers ruin it.

I said at the beginning that I’d be really interested to have a deep look at the primers people use and how they’re designed (nested?)
The list of ‘facts’ about this virus is full of contradictory data. I wonder if we will ever have a handle on the truth?

A lot of coronapanic skeptics speak about how PCR sensitivity would result in many false positives and while those opinions are probably filtered through people who don't know about PCR I really want to know what kind of primers they're using for tests. Are they even all the same primers? Are they using using less specific primers in some situations/places, and more specific primers in others?