Right, but since the citizens thought it was the legit way to vote (and rightfully so, since the state SC said it was), you can't just throw their votes away. If your strategy to win is to throw away votes from citizens, that says some pretty bad stuff about your strategy.
I probably missed the second quote. I get quoted a bunch so it's easy to miss stuff. Please direct me to it.
Except if it's found to be unconstitutional, and the State SC acted outside it's jurisdiction then those votes were conducted unlawfully, regardless of whether the citizens thought they were legit. If my accountant tells me I don't have to pay my taxes, and the IRS later comes knocking, telling them I got bad instructions doesn't mean I don't get to waive my taxes for that quarter. They still get paid. Likewise if the SCOTUS ends up looking at this and telling the State SC that they acted outside of their powers, then those votes will be rendered null.
That said, I agree that they won't want to just throw away those votes because it is look bad optics because the States SC fucked up, not them. So I expect the SCOTUS to try and find a third option.
Ad you didn't miss it, you replied directly to it.
Since some people aren't very attentive, the current active trolls who are trying to get a rise out of you include:
Hollywood Hulk Hogan (The greatest)
3a4566 whatever (The gay arab)
WhimsicalTrolli (it's in his name come on)
Omega_Faggot (name is accurate) Techpriest (never ate the hat) Threadbanned for hat eat fail.
Random Internet Person (maybe not trolling but he's such a doomer it's the same effect)
If you see a blazing hot take and feel the need to respond, maybe rethink it if it's one of these guys. Or at least realize you're taking the bait.
Stop taking his bait. I enjoy being able to easily catch up to the present in this thread, but I won't be able to enjoy that if you brawl against people that aren't even posting in it.
>someone says something going against the Trump dicksuck cultist circlejerk narrative
>IT'S BAIT, THEY'RE TROLLING, THEY'RE NOT BEING SERIOUS, IGNORE THEM, DON"T RESPOND TO THEM
lol, you guys have a mental illness of cope at this point
The interesting thing about this election is that I don't think anyone will ever concede an election again. They'll be fuckery from November 3rd to December 14th when the electoral college vote happens and the results of that vote will shift back and forth as states recount and court cases happen. If that's going on why would anyone concede?
Actually, Scott Adams said something kind of interesting. Suppose after January 20th the SCOTUS ruled that there had been electoral fraud and the result was wrong. Now the conventional wisdom is that it's too late and nothing can be done. He said that he not convinced that is the case. The system has no way to handle the situation but that doesn't mean it isn't A Situation.
Back in 1960, JFK could just get his brother to nuke all the pending court cases and that was that because Nixon had conceded. However, is that going to work in the modern world? We know that Trump's DOJ tried to get General Flynn's case dropped but the judge asked some NGO to file a brief and then kept it open. There's nothing to stop the reverse from happening - Biden's DOJ might try to stop cases but a Republican judge might keep the case pending or punt it higher up the system towards the SCOTUS.
You could easily imagine a sort of worst-case deadlock where Biden has no Senate majority and loses his House majority in the midterms. The country has more or less agreed that the election that got him in power was bogus but no one has the supermajority to impeach him and even if they did Harris is worse. So it's a divided government with the added twist that the President is seen as illegitimately elected. Not 'the other party grumbles about Russian election meddling' but 'there's a majority in the country that believes the election was illegitimate because of ballot stuffing'.
The Rasmussen poll showed 47% of the population already thinks that, despite a media barrage against claims of election fuckery. Does anyone expect that to go down? It seems like once they're past the honeymoon, Biden has pushed some divisive policies and the SCOTUS has weighed in things can only get worse.
I’m pretty sure that on 1/20, everyone washes their hands of Trump and that’s that. Then the question becomes “when will we see the lists coming into play?”.
So I'm just reading that Sidney Powell's lawsuit is going to be filed in Georgia on Wednesday (tomorrow).
Hopefully the evidence is truly what she has been hyping it up to be. If this gets dismissed on a state level, then she can appeal up the ladder.
And if the SCOTUS doesn't want the case, then I think we can say that GA is a done deal. We'll see what happens. At this point, I am convinced that the state courts are so pozzed that they would dismiss the case even if there was video evidence of Biden himself throwing ballots away or something. lol.
Nothing you said had anything to do with what I asked.
Whether something goes to SCOTUS generally involves whether it implicates a federal constitutional question. You can't get to SCOTUS without your case implicating that. Trump's legal team can indeed be a band of fools-- do they raise constitutional questions?
So I'm just reading that Sidney Powell's lawsuit is going to be filed in Georgia on Wednesday (tomorrow).
Hopefully the evidence is truly what she has been hyping it up to be. If this gets dismissed on a state level, then she can appeal up the ladder.
And if the SCOTUS doesn't want the case, then I think we can say that GA is a done deal. We'll see what happens. At this point, I am convinced that the state courts are so pozzed that they would dismiss the case even if there was video evidence of Biden himself throwing ballots away or something. lol.
Because there are so many people that are retarded that think they are geniuses that get mad when their little fragile egos have people challenging them. There are so many people with the skin of fragile glass in this thread both left and right.
Signs of this include bitching about "le meanie trolls" or "trump cultists" and that shit is gay, people have the right to say what they want as long as it's on topic and contributes to discussion.
Speaking of which, god it's just frustrating how there is so much behind the scenes stuff going on and the most we can know are slight droplets.
Whoever has the will to kill their enemies with brutal vengeance and no mercy. Any possible civil war will resemble the Russian Civil War more than the American version. And that was complete brutality with the Bolsheviks willing to things the other side wasn't combined with the Bolsheviks full united whereas the other side were not united.
The Whites were just as ruthless and violent as the Reds (look at Baron von Ungern Sternberg as an example), but the Reds won because they formed a cohesive and united front against their disunified opposition.
I’m pretty sure that on 1/20, everyone washes their hands of Trump and that’s that. Then the question becomes “when will we see the lists coming into play?”.
Oh boy have to love the idea that "Trump can still win as long as you start throwing out Biden votes" being the plan then crying when Biden poll watchers successfully challenge out Trump votes from totals which then makes seething ensue by the cope squad. Nothing hypocritical about crying about that being used by only the one side you're cheering for, no, not at all!
Important point. Even if everyone were completely dedicated to an accurate and unbiased count, and the vote were competently designed to do so, there would be a margin of error. Boxes of votes missing here or there, machine glitches, etc. No one builds a system on that scale, with or without computers, that is accurate to a single vote. Especially not government.
Of course, in such a world the error would average out to zero. It would be an unbiased estimator with high variance. Since we live in reality fraud can hide in that margin of error. "We were only pretending to be retarded, we're actually crooked".
But excessive recounts/audits/etc can also introduce bias, if selectively applied in the loser's choice of districts. What about the districts Biden narrowly lost? Challenged Trump ballots? This is why losers should lose gracefully absent widespread fraud/incompetence -- small amounts of fraud within margin of error that always favors the Dems is analogous to gerrymandering etc. It's bullshit that gives you an edge, but it's not enough to drown democracy in a bathtub like what we're seeing in this election.
If it's close enough, there is no true answer as to who actually won. May as well just pick one rather than dragging it out forever.
This is analogous to the same trick the SJWs pull to gin up wage gaps and the like -- if you test enough hypotheses, you find a significant one eventually. If you only test ones that favor your side you can scientifically "prove" pretty much anything without needing to resort to IFLS/censorship/social credit score tactics.
Main thing I want to see addressed by SCOTUS is the legal issues in Pennsylvania. That's not a conspiracy theory and the facts are not in dispute, only the law. I'll be floored if Trump loses the case, but the remedy may not be to his liking, and he needs more than PA. Besides that, Trump has to show (and should have to show) that there was massive voter fraud, not just garden variety fraud which is indistinguishable from the margin of error.
A little light voter fraud/"suppression" here or there does not concern me as a matter of legitimacy. If the election is close enough to steal that way, the people still had their say.
So much hand wringing over fraud/suppression (same thing) is just trying to increase the margin of error in a biased manner by making boring changes to voting law. Banning ballot harvesting isn't "suppression" and doing it legally it isn't "fraud". Got to make it sound more exciting than it is. How much of the change in mail in rejection rate is due not to fraud but due to Dem consent decrees, law changes, etc? This is what commies do -- they subvert organizations from every angle, at every level, that they can.
Because there are so many people that are retarded that think they are geniuses that get mad when their little fragile egos have people challenging them. There are so many people with the skin of fragile glass in this thread both left and right.
Signs of this include bitching about "le meanie trolls" or "trump cultists" and that shit is gay, people have the right to say what they want as long as it's on topic and contributes to discussion.
Speaking of which, god it's just frustrating how there is so much behind the scenes stuff going on and the most we can know are slight droplets.
The Whites were just as ruthless and violent as the Reds (look at Baron von Ungern Sternberg as an example), but the Reds won because they formed a cohesive and united front against their disunified opposition.
I believe the right wing is more united than the left wing at this point. The right wing has Trump to unite behind whereas Biden is no uniting figure even for his own party and they a bunch of greedy oligarchs willing to fuck each other.
Dominion Vote Machines have a system called RCV. It's for third world shitholes that vote differently than us in the West, where you pick your top X picks of winner and it gives them points values or somesuch crap. If it's enabled, you'll see fractions of a vote going to one candidate or the other.
It's the ONLY WAY you see Fractions of a vote in Dominion voting machines. Because, you know, fractions. Which would be intentional software manipulation of the vote totals, or (best case scenario) them fucking up the configuration and it accidentally fucking the vote totals. The latter of which would be caught by an audit, I believe.
0.534+0.448= 0.982
0.533+0.45= 0.983
They don't even equal one entire vote. Going to guess what remainder of that fraction went to whatever other parties running. It's also odd how Trumps fraction is slowly declining while Biden's is slowly increasing as time goes on.
It appears the term "Fraction magic" is something used to described this and has been seen in voting systems since 2014 by Bennie Smith who looked into some election abnormalities in Florida. Video is on facebook. | sauce [I do not know how to archive videos, sorry ]
A bit of Smith's story:
In August 2014, Bennie Smith, a keen political strategist based in Memphis, Tennessee, was approached by several candidates who insisted that their elections had been stolen. Though he disagreed, he offered to examine how the system works.
After discovering an uncomfortable number of irregularities, Smith began to research how votes that originate from the same source can change once they get into the GEMS (Global Election Management Systems) vote tabulation program.
Smith’s research uncovered an extraordinarily high-risk tampering mechanism and ultimately provided a new infrastructure for analyzing questionable election results.
His work was featured as the cover story in Bloomberg Business Week. “Fraction Magic,” the proof of concept he created in collaboration with BlackBoxVoting.org, was also covered by Bloomberg in their cybersecurity segment. Links are at the end of the video.
Remember GEMS? GEMS (Global Election Management System) was a product made by Diebold/Premier Elections, the company was later bought by Dominion. Who also purchased all their software, hardware, intellectual property, assets etc back in 2010.
Important point. Even if everyone were completely dedicated to an accurate and unbiased count, and the vote were competently designed to do so, there would be a margin of error. Boxes of votes missing here or there, machine glitches, etc. No one builds a system on that scale, with or without computers, that is accurate to a single vote. Especially not government.
Of course, in such a world the error would average out to zero. It would be an unbiased estimator with high variance. Since we live in reality fraud can hide in that margin of error. "We were only pretending to be retarded, we're actually crooked".
But excessive recounts/audits/etc can also introduce bias, if selectively applied in the loser's choice of districts. What about the districts Biden narrowly lost? Challenged Trump ballots? This is why losers should lose gracefully absent widespread fraud/incompetence -- small amounts of fraud within margin of error that always favors the Dems is analogous to gerrymandering etc. It's bullshit that gives you an edge, but it's not enough to drown democracy in a bathtub like what we're seeing in this election.
If it's close enough, there is no true answer as to who actually won. May as well just pick one rather than dragging it out forever.
This is analogous to the same trick the SJWs pull to gin up wage gaps and the like -- if you test enough hypotheses, you find a significant one eventually. If you only test ones that favor your side you can scientifically "prove" pretty much anything without needing to resort to IFLS/censorship/social credit score tactics.
Main thing I want to see addressed by SCOTUS is the legal issues in Pennsylvania. That's not a conspiracy theory and the facts are not in dispute, only the law. I'll be floored if Trump loses the case, but the remedy may not be to his liking, and he needs more than PA. Besides that, Trump has to show (and should have to show) that there was massive voter fraud, not just garden variety fraud which is indistinguishable from the margin of error.
A little light voter fraud/"suppression" here or there does not concern me as a matter of legitimacy. If the election is close enough to steal that way, the people still had their say.
So much hand wringing over fraud/suppression (same thing) is just trying to increase the margin of error in a biased manner by making boring changes to voting law. Banning ballot harvesting isn't "suppression" and doing it legally it isn't "fraud". Got to make it sound more exciting than it is. How much of the change in mail in rejection rate is due not to fraud but due to Dem consent decrees, law changes, etc? This is what commies do -- they subvert organizations from every angle, at every level, that they can.
Both can contradict each other, which prevents one from cancelling the other out.
Especially if those shifting goalposts THREATEN the former's children.
Trolli is the name of a Candy company....and I like trolli gummy's yeah I troll here and there but most of the time I'm here to chat like everyone else
Time to sniff some hopium and this is probably the most realistic outcome for Trump to succeed based on the current facts
Given Wisconsin's recount style, the fact that Georgia is doing an audit with their new recount (because GOPe are breathing down Kemp's neck very hard), and the Pennsylvania lawfare.
The most likely Trump win outcome is those two recounts going in his favor and the Pennsylvania lawsuit going to SCOTUS also going in favor. Of course I am not an expert and this is mere speculation that is as valuable as toilet paper which let's be real any and all speculation is pretty much some level of bullshit in the end.
I have long accepted a President Biden but this could just be the political version of the "La La Land and Moonlight mixup" at the Oscars, but if anyone goes on about "THIS IS HOW TRUMP CAN STILL WIN" after December 14th or January 20th if Biden is sworn in, those people quite frankly deserve to be mocked by anyone, hell I'll even join in to laugh at them since quite frankly there are plenty of Trump supporters who do deserve to be made fun of on the same level as people who scream about "CHEETO HITLER"
yeah I troll here and there but most of the time I'm here to chat like everyone else