2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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I can't wait to hear CNN say "10 people showed up to the small event as Ex Fraudulent Elect Rump stumbled through his fascist like speech".

I wonder what it would take for Trump to command his supporters to swarm the capitol and occupy it until the state legislature declares him the rightful President?

If you look at Mussolini's March on Rome people initially complained that he was violated Art 10 Sec 42 of the constitution and other such niggling complaints but then his men arrived and all those sorts of quibbles died down.

People complain now but that's because there aren't blackshirts looming over them. If we still had blackshirts it would regarded as a perfectly justified way to cut through a political empasse.

It's all a matter of perspective.
 
Happy Turkey Day everyone! Glad to see our admirers are busy blowing off their families to negrate all the comments that make them mad. Enjoy your weekends.
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest the rears of all the negraters in this thread, and may their arms be made too short to scratch themselves.
Who are you talking about? This has probably been the best day I've seen this thread have ever, in terms of trolling.
 
They are correct, in as much as the envelopes have been thrown out

However, they're not supposed to throw out the envelopes. You're supposed to keep those envelopes for up to two years before destroying them. So throwing them out is evidence of spoliation (the evidence disposed of can reasonably be assumed to be harmful to the parties disposing of it) and, in the case of this election, may very well be grounds to just throw out all the mail in votes.

is that 2 year rule universal? i know Some states have it written in their laws but i don't know about others.
 
is that 2 year rule universal? i know Some states have it written in their laws but i don't know about others.
I don't think it is, but it's still expected to keep them in case of stuff like this. To burn them not even a month after the election looks reaaaaal bad for them. Especially with multiple investigations into fraud going on.
 
Interesting historical event

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague

The First Defenestration of Prague involved the killing of seven members of the city council by a crowd of Czech Hussites on 30 July 1419.[citation needed]

Jan Želivský, a Hussite priest at the church of the Virgin Mary of the Snows, led his congregation on a procession through the streets of Prague to the New Town Hall (Novoměstská radnice) on Charles Square. The town council members had refused to exchange their Hussite prisoners. While they were marching, a stone was thrown at Želivský from the window of the town hall and allegedly hit him.[1] This enraged the mob and they stormed the town hall. Once inside the hall, the group defenestrated the judge, the burgomaster, and several members of the town council. They were all killed by the fall.[1]

King Wenceslaus IV of Bohemia, after hearing the news, was stunned and died shortly after, supposedly due to shock.[1]

The procession was a result of the growing discontent at the contemporary direction of the Church and the inequality between the peasants, the Church's prelates, and the nobility. This discontent combined with rising feelings of nationalism increased the influence of preachers such as Jan Želivský, influenced by John Wycliffe, who saw the state of the Catholic Church as corrupt. These preachers urged their congregations to action, including taking up arms, to combat these perceived transgressions.[citation needed]

The First Defenestration was thus the turning point between talk and action leading to the prolonged Hussite Wars. The wars broke out shortly afterward and lasted until 1436.[2][citation needed]

Note the way it's written about. There's no outrage. It's just this cute bit of history. Also, it seems like the Prague government were a lot more cautious about pissing off the peasantry until 1483 when there was another defenestration.

Really makes you think.
 
Interesting historical event

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague



Note the way it's written about. There's no outrage. It's just this cute bit of history. Also, it seems like the Prague government were a lot more cautious about pissing off the peasantry until 1483 when there was another defenestration.

Really makes you think.
These are nice and all, but the current batch of Americans are nothing like people back then or even 40 years ago. Could you really imagine any Zoomers or 20 somethings actually having the guts to try something now? Or even have the ability to think for themselves outside of a minority of them? Not saying they don't exist, couldn't pull it off or that major historical decisions had the majority backing them, but when I look outside I don't see people ready to throw down for their rights, I see mental cattle or depressed 20 somethings.
 
Trump dies from Corona virus, kushner seizes power, immediately nukes Iran, North Korea responds by wiping Seoul, Tel Aviv, Seattle and Los Angeles off the map, Kushner then launches nukes at NK leveling it BUT the guidance systems were relying on 1970s technology, one accidentally targets Bejing, China responds by engaging the EMP satellites above the US then starts strategic Nuclear bombardment. India and Pakistan simultaneously unload their entire nuclear arsenals at each other. Russia siezes the opportunity and invades Ukraine, full conscription invasion of Germany and Finland. Poland, Italy, Greece, and Austria immediately join with Russia into an Anti-EU alliance, England's Pajeet prime minister cries from seeing Motherland India glassed and launches nuclear arsenal ad hoc into Europe. Nuclear winter sets in, no crops can be grown, everyone dies except for tiny groups of people who are now living in caves and making cave drawing trying to remember the lessons of the past. But as the procession of time and generations continues, all is forgotten except a Golden age mythos of wisdom, the "Old Ones" who could fly like the birds and touch the stars...... and as the natural cycles of nature start to clean the radiation from the soil and plant life returns, the cave dwellers leave the caves and start farming the land as well as hunting... and then it all starts again.... look fellow cave dwellers we just invented this thing called a wheel for the very first time......
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These are nice and all, but the current batch of Americans are nothing like people back then or even 40 years ago. Could you really imagine any Zoomers or 20 somethings actually having the guts to try something now? Or even have the ability to think for themselves outside of a minority of them? Not saying they don't exist, couldn't pull it off or that major historical decisions had the majority backing them, but when I look outside I don't see people ready to throw down for their rights, I see mental cattle or depressed 20 somethings.

I'm talking about history here, not engaging in rank punditry.

The unbiased version of events must also be posted.

That guy cracks me up.
 
Trump dies from Corona virus, kushner seizes power, immediately nukes Iran, North Korea responds by wiping Seoul, Tel Aviv, Seattle and Los Angeles off the map, Kushner then launches nukes at NK leveling it BUT the guidance systems were relying on 1970s technology, one accidentally targets Bejing, China responds by engaging the EMP satellites above the US then starts strategic Nuclear bombardment. India and Pakistan simultaneously unload their entire nuclear arsenals at each other. Russia siezes the opportunity and invades Ukraine, full conscription invasion of Germany and Finland. Poland, Italy, Greece, and Austria immediately join with Russia into an Anti-EU alliance, England's Pajeet prime minister cries from seeing Motherland India glassed and launches nuclear arsenal ad hoc into Europe. Nuclear winter sets in, no crops can be grown, everyone dies except for tiny groups of people who are now living in caves and making cave drawing trying to remember the lessons of the past. But as the procession of time and generations continues, all is forgotten except a Golden age mythos of wisdom, the "Old Ones" who could fly like the birds and touch the stars...... and as the natural cycles of nature start to clean the radiation from the soil and plant life returns, the cave dwellers leave the caves and start farming the land as well as hunting... and then it all starts again.... look fellow cave dwellers we just invented this thing called a wheel for the very first time......
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Based.
 
This is exactly why I liked that rhetorical flourish. It persuades, it informs people where he stands, and its a clear rallying cry around the hypocrisy.
It wouldn't be the first time. Powell mentioned it implicitly in one of her lawsuits: Mead v. Sheffield.

All she really needs to do is prove that there were enough illegitimate ballots cast to throw doubt on the election, and the entire lot of them would be chucked out. There's already been a precedent set for it, and these fiddly, little nuances are why I keep telling people to hold off on making a definitive judgement until all the chips are off the table and all the chairs are pushed in.
I'm holding out a lot of judgement until SCOTUS looks at some of this, or straight refuses to. That's gonna set up the tone and tenor.
I thought the meltdown over RBG was about her being a liberal deity being replaced with an orang man pick.
Fun fact, Ginsburg was a swing vote. She did not always side with the liberals, as she had a legitimate judicial philosophy. While she is the origin point for the Living Constitution philosophy, hers wasn't merely an excuse to side with the left and had considerably more nuance. She also fucking hated the Roe v. Wade decision despite being the lawyer to the party who won. She was far from a liberal darling until recently, and only then because she was the closest to death and they NEEDED to prop her up until after the election.
This is another weird thing about the Powell case. It is criminal so it will take six months to a year. Everyone expects it to fail at lower courts and get appealed up to the SCOTUS.

So even if her legal filing was literally 100 pages of spelling mistakes and QAnon lunacy it doesn't matter. And it's not. I'm about one-third of the way through and it seems pretty credible.

To put it in perspective Jim Garrison spent ages trying to accuse people of killing JFK. His case was complete shit and it still went on for ages. Oliver Stone made a film about it and now probably the majority of the population think he's a hero, not a complete nutcase. Same with the Russia collusion stuff. Totally meritless but it still convinced half or more of the population.

And Powell, like Rudy, only has to convince a majority of Republicans the election was in doubt to get them to put pressure on the state legislatures. We know from polls a staggering 97% of Trump voters already think that (archive).

We also know 30% of Democrats and 47% of the population think it too (archive). That will only increase as the lawsuit and hearing bombardment continues and the media refuses to address the arguments.
Her lawsuit, shockingly NOT absolute bullshit, is aimed squarely at attacking the one big wrench in the works for freeing the legislatures from worrying. The Executive Branch.


The legislature is -god- here, whatever they order be done will be done. The problem is that they are under pressure from three sides, the populous, the executive, and the judiciary.

For the populous, they are inundated by the media saying there is no evidence, people want Trump to concede, get on with it. This no popular mandate for action.
For the executive, they are under attack by the RINOs and Democrats above them who are doing all they can to rush the results forward and block any meaningful action.
For the judiciary, they are in uphill battles where by proving what is going on is -hard-, and until SCOTUS nothing is final.

Rudy's stuff is combating the first and third, Powells is combating the second one.. Rudy is convincing them there is a problem, here is the evidence, here is your popular support. While also gaining legal advantage through attacking the procedural failures. "Here are the signs of fraud, but legally we have to come at this from the angle of it merely being mistakes". Its the most likely to get something done judicially.

Powells though is tailored towards the second. Nothing can be done to stop the executive branches here... but they can undermine the authority and hold they have on the legislature. Its likely why Powell has been so... ahem, vocal and krakeny. Get eyes on it, ensure the legislature SEES it, let them know the executive is compromised and free them to do what they will.


Personal take here: Its sound strategy, but relies on moving a third part (The legislatures) to action. If it gains any actual traction, that''s your weakpoint and where the democrats will -hammer- their opposition.

I want Trump to pardon Assange and Snowden next, just to make Biden and Obama lose their fucking minds.

I also believe that Snowden is an American Patriot and did absolutely nothing wrong. Fuck the NSA.
Right -now- it'd be politically opportune. A lot of the state legislatures and Trump allies are at least somewhat hostile towards both and he needs to avoid alienating anyone.
Once the results are known, good or bad, though....
 
I wonder what it would take for Trump to command his supporters to swarm the capitol and occupy it until the state legislature declares him the rightful President?

If you look at Mussolini's March on Rome people initially complained that he was violated Art 10 Sec 42 of the constitution and other such niggling complaints but then his men arrived and all those sorts of quibbles died down.

People complain now but that's because there aren't blackshirts looming over them. If we still had blackshirts it would regarded as a perfectly justified way to cut through a political empasse.

It's all a matter of perspective.
Perhaps Trump shouldn't have spent the last four years imprisoning his most fervent supporters? I look forward to Ali 'Alexander' and Lady MAGA marching on D.C.

I admit it. Iran interfered in the elections. It was the IRGC. They controlled Trump's mind and forced him to be a cuck and achieve nothing except tax cuts for big donors.
 
The media is still taking shit Trump says out of context when he even references conceding (if the electors vote and Biden wins if the lawsuits don't work), which just feels insanely desperate and disgusting, like they are just so eager to have him concede they will jump out the moment he says a word beginning with the letter C.


Also, the wait is painful. Yesterday was good, but the demoralization seems to wipe all that away and it's quite suffocating. Seeing Biden still having bizarre verbal gaffes is also quite horrifying, if he actually gets in I am not gonna lie, I am expecting him to barely make public appearances, will probably made worse verbal gaffes over time, and will probably have a health crisis sometime during his first term. Possibly replaced with Harris but most have already theorized that.
 
The media is still taking shit Trump says out of context when he even references conceding (if the electors vote and Biden wins if the lawsuits don't work), which just feels insanely desperate and disgusting, like they are just so eager to have him concede they will jump out the moment he says a word beginning with the letter C.


Also, the wait is painful. Yesterday was good, but the demoralization seems to wipe all that away and it's quite suffocating. Seeing Biden still having bizarre verbal gaffes is also quite horrifying, if he actually gets in I am not gonna lie, I am expecting him to barely make public appearances, will probably made worse verbal gaffes over time, and will probably have a health crisis sometime during his first term. Possibly replaced with Harris but most have already theorized that.
How is it Trump somehow in better shape then Biden is after 4 years under constant attack while being President?
 
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