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There’s a joke here, I can sense it.
 
I would rather all bathrooms be unisex than to have the trans women sorted in with the females where they’re the biggest, strongest, meanest, and most aggressive occupants. At least then the normal men would vastly outnumber all the deviants and help keep them away from the kids. Let some troon try to ask a 11-yo girl if she needs help with her tampon while normie dudes are observing. Lol.

Honestly, I know there’s a spy cam situation, but...y’all, that can’t be stopped. It‘s too easy, too low risk and too high reward for this specific type of guy. I take clothes home to try them on (no changing rooms are open in stores anyway) and since I’m always cold, I always have a sweater or jacket with me in the restroom, and I just make sure that I pretend there’s someone watching me and I have to try to make sure to not let it all hang out. That’s all we can do. Just like any other aspect of sexual assault...you can try to do what you can politically, but your individual action to protect yourself has to focus on making yourself a less attractive target. If there’s nothing at all to see, they likely are not going to post you on Pornhub.

Agreed, and that is really the most frustrating part of this entire fucking debate. In theory, I have absolutely nothing against sharing spaces with normie men. Like, even in changing rooms, I think most men would be polite, turn their backs and avert their eyes. We practice sex segragation not because most men can't be trusted but because of a small minority of male degenerates. And these degenerates are highly motivated to get into places where women are vulnerable. So now we're in this fucked up situation where the men for whom we practice sex segregation, those who have no problem breaking the social contract and exploiting loopholes, have an easy way in while the decent men are still kept out. Fucking ass-backwards.

Just de-sexing toilets and re-designing them (e.g. bigger stalls with mirror & basin etc. added , all with floor to ceiling dividers) would be a hate crime, somehow. Although I'm sure NB/FtM types wouldn't really mind all that much since they tend to be focused more on evading femininity/attention in general as opposed to attempting to be manly men. Hell, they'd likely appreciate the greater privacy and the loss of their anxiety when having to male facilities due to having a pube beard or w/e.

But "Zoe" would NOT be happy since this would deny him a major 'validating' experience; many a troon seem to take using the women's toilets to be a quasi-mystic ritual in which he is somehow admitted to the sisterhood. Even if you don't assign some great emotional import to the actual act of using them, having them taken away still constitutes the denial of a way to distinguish himself from his former 'male-self' and when your whole identity is a shallow fantasy game then you aren't going to welcome such a change.

Of course, when people half-seriously suggest these kinds of things, it doesn't seem all that rare for them to say "Yeh sure, why not?" but I reckon this is just a reflection of the fact that they know it's not going to happen so their responses are geared around trying to 0WN the TERFs or w/e.

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As an aside, I think a lot of the argumentation surrounding the bathroom thing is a little hysterical from both sides. Obviously, the troon arguments are usually just completely retarded which is par for the course but I think the anti argument can be a bit hysterical too.

It is almost certainly true - even if it's not admissible to the public debate - that troons are disproportionately like to be weird fetishists and in any case it's obviously not ideal to have men entering women's facilities but even troons are checked by some degree of social etiquette despite often pretending otherwise so as to rile up the TERFs. The main risk comes from weakening the ability of people to evict/block urine-reeking crazies (disproportionately likely to be troons) due to fear of being castigated as a 'transphobic' bigot. However, this is not anywhere near the world's greatest threat to women's safety.

The bigger issue is that it's the thin end of the wedge for allowing them to access women's shelters or justify their being thrown in female prisons. The former of which is definitely a very real danger to women and the latter has already resulted in multiple sexual assaults. Easier to just defend the notion that sex is the basis on which your right so sex-specific spaces is determined, it's obviously not something that is ever going to be meticulously enforced but it empowers you to deal with the weirdos and defends the principle that matters. This is a sort of slippery slope type point which you can call a 'logical fallacy' or w/e but from a practical perspective it makes sense to defend the first line, especially when the justification for giving it up is pretty risible; Nathan Petrelli really doesn't have any need to use the ladies' loo. and nobody is going to bat (much) of an eye if he uses the gents.
 
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Allowing crossdressing men into women's spaces undermines the ability of women to make accusations of impropriety by men within those spaces. Previously a man in a dress goes into a women's bathroom and does something inappropriate. He gets reported to the authorities. He is immediately seen as being up to no good by the fact of him being a man entering a women's bathroom (and obv not being janitorial or maintenance etc). Now a crossdressing man does the same, but says he is a woman. Any accusation against his impropriety is now on a more equal level - he has a seemingly valid reason to be in there so now it is just a case of he-said-she-said, and so he is more likely to get away with the act.
 
Allowing crossdressing men into women's spaces undermines the ability of women to make accusations of impropriety by men within those spaces. Previously a man in a dress goes into a women's bathroom and does something inappropriate. He gets reported to the authorities. He is immediately seen as being up to no good by the fact of him being a man entering a women's bathroom (and obv not being janitorial or maintenance etc). Now a crossdressing man does the same, but says he is a woman. Any accusation against his impropriety is now on a more equal level - he has a seemingly valid reason to be in there so now it is just a case of he-said-she-said, and so he is more likely to get away with the act.
That's the whole idea. This bullshit is entirely intended to enable sex perverts and predators.
 
If transwomen are women, then they are fucking ugly and they will cheat their men on Tyrone. Sorry I don't make the rules, troons do, TWAW after all.
And the last picture, oh boy, transphobia is nonsense, as they say, we are disgusted by them due to bigotry, not because they are fetishists sociopaths.
I don't think all transgenders/transsexuals are fetishistic, perverted autogynephilic sociopaths but the internet has definitely brought out the ugliest sides of perverts who abuse the labels and who are really predators. Not to mention that TRA's can't gatekeep for their lives and silence transsexuals and others who don't believe that the sun shines out of their arses.
 
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Personally I'm not even open to any sort of discussion about de-sexing toilets or having unisex changing rooms or anything. Those have been divided by sex for very good reasons. Women and teenage girls specifically need safe spaces, period (yeah I know). Sure any man could potentially walk in there anyways but the factor of public shame & committing something potentially criminal are huge hindrances. I'm not even JUST talking about sexual assault. Teenage girls would never get any sort of peace if forced to share a bathroom with teenage boys. What if a girl gets her period unexpectedly and needs to quickly wash her jeans in the sink or something?

I want bathrooms divided by sex always and forever.
 
Personally I'm not even open to any sort of discussion about de-sexing toilets or having unisex changing rooms or anything. Those have been divided by sex for very good reasons. Women and teenage girls specifically need safe spaces, period (yeah I know). Sure any man could potentially walk in there anyways but the factor of public shame & committing something potentially criminal are huge hindrances. I'm not even JUST talking about sexual assault. Teenage girls would never get any sort of peace if forced to share a bathroom with teenage boys. What if a girl gets her period unexpectedly and needs to quickly wash her jeans in the sink or something?

I want bathrooms divided by sex always and forever.
Trannies are such a teeny weeny percentage of the population, and there's no point of "desexing" the bathrooms. Teens are horrendously uncomfortable and insecure with their own bodies and putting the opposite sexes together in a restroom will cause horrendous issues. I don't see why there can't be a separate male, female toilets and one just for people with gender dysphoria if there are trannies in some facilities. Wouldn't it cause so much less problems?
 
Trannies are such a teeny weeny percentage of the population, and there's no point of "desexing" the bathrooms. Teens are horrendously uncomfortable and insecure with their own bodies and putting the opposite sexes together in a restroom will cause horrendous issues. I don't see why there can't be a separate male, female toilets and one just for people with gender dysphoria if there are trannies in some facilities. Wouldn't it cause so much less problems?
They would never agree to the mixed room because that wouldn't be validating 0w0. And I'm pretty sure it would be a total clusterfuck of assaults in there. And also god save the poor person who has to clean that one.
 
Personally I'm not even open to any sort of discussion about de-sexing toilets or having unisex changing rooms or anything. Those have been divided by sex for very good reasons. Women and teenage girls specifically need safe spaces, period (yeah I know). Sure any man could potentially walk in there anyways but the factor of public shame & committing something potentially criminal are huge hindrances. I'm not even JUST talking about sexual assault. Teenage girls would never get any sort of peace if forced to share a bathroom with teenage boys. What if a girl gets her period unexpectedly and needs to quickly wash her jeans in the sink or something?

I want bathrooms divided by sex always and forever.
A year or two from now we'll get stories about girls (real ones) with kidney-related shit because they hold it in. No one gives a shit right now because "trans women are women" and "penis goes spinny". Fuck!
 
They would never agree to the mixed room because that wouldn't be validating 0w0. And I'm pretty sure it would be a total clusterfuck of assaults in there. And also god save the poor person who has to clean that one.
My uni has the gender dysphoria loos and so far, there haven't been any complaints from the students or faculty but I've never stepped inside to see it. Maybe it's a mystery that nobody knows about.
 
Proms are such an American thing, though. Are all women who are outside of the United States missing out on real womanhood, then?
I hate to break the illusion, but nothing actually ever happens on prom.
You are more likely to lose your virtue in the back of your mom’s 2006 Toyota than you are to get anything out of a prom.
 
Personally I'm not even open to any sort of discussion about de-sexing toilets or having unisex changing rooms or anything. Those have been divided by sex for very good reasons. Women and teenage girls specifically need safe spaces, period (yeah I know). Sure any man could potentially walk in there anyways but the factor of public shame & committing something potentially criminal are huge hindrances. I'm not even JUST talking about sexual assault. Teenage girls would never get any sort of peace if forced to share a bathroom with teenage boys. What if a girl gets her period unexpectedly and needs to quickly wash her jeans in the sink or something?

I want bathrooms divided by sex always and forever.

Let me tell you a trade secret: under majority of differnt regulations in different countries the toilets don't need to be segregated. There is requirement to have enough of urinals and toilets to serve the crowd, with few being accessible for disabled, but rarely there is a requirement, outside of gyms, swimming pools or hospitals to actually make them seprate with brick walls.

Here's where it gets tricky. There is absolute social taboo about combining them. It's not that people can't use opposite sex' bathroom, in a pinch they deal, they just don't want to and feel uncomfortable. I work a lot with architects and at construction sites and this is what they always tell me: the designers have no issues, it would be easier for everyone involved, less space taken for amenities, smaller queues for women, cheaper and easier to construct, pretty much no downside except the urinals would need to be separated or in stalls like toilets, because well, duh. Whenever they bring it to their patrons, unless the site has very little space and few users, it's a hard nope. Bathrooms must be separated, because it's literally icky to not segregate. There is no sensible reason to that, it's not about law or necessarily about culture even. It just is. Even discussing it is a moot point because people won't want it.
 
But there is a sensible reason for it, safety & comfort. Of course it would be cheaper and such. But humanity has collectively decided that the benefits are worth it and I see no reason to overhaul this now.

I never thought about whether or not there is a legal basis for segregated bathrooms by the way. Interesting though that there isn't but I guess it's just common sense to do it anyways.

On this occasion I remember things like, when I was maybe 10 years old a male stranger trying to convince me to go to the men's bathroom with him. As a child I literally didn't even understand at all why he would want that. Imagine if that man was free to just be in the same bathroom as women and little girls and what might have happened if noone else was in there at the time. The hurt feelings of some very genderspecial people don't outweigh that, not remotely.
 
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