2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[StarkRavingMad]

The reactions around everywhere on the internet to the news since the PA hearing have been all over the place. I'm still seeing optimism, I'm still seeing dooming, etc.

This is how I feel: No matter how you shake it, the clock is ticking. This coming week, things need to do a drastic course correction for Trump to pull this off. We heard some encouraging news this week ... But "we're in the endgame now." He needs to flip a state within the next few days, IMO. If it takes two weeks to flip PA, then he's definitely not going to get enough electoral votes away from Biden on time.

 

[HumanHive]

I seem to remember @Gehenna saying that the MI legislature's statement on direct appontiment was worded very politically along the lines of they would be willing to do it of something came out that put things in doubt. Maybe the hearing could things in doubt to the point where they are willing to do it.

Could be wrong it has been awhile.

Recent update. Said they’ve heard nothing thus far that would merit direct appointment. If the MI hearing isn’t flawless then MI is fucking gone.

 

[Bartleby]

That's what I've been thinking. I'm under the understanding that no more legal challenges can be brought after the 8th. Legal challenges have already been brought in most cases. Plus, there are going to be new hearings next week (Nevada on the third, the Arizona hearing, etc.). I don't think these would be happening if the 8th was the final, final, final deadline because wouldn't the judges/legislators in these cases just not agree to listen to what Trump's team has to say because it would just be a waste of time?

It looks like you're correct. Source: https://www.fox29.com/news/safe-harbor-deadline-heres-why-dec-8-matters-in-the-2020-election. Trump's lawyers simply need to get all the cases they need the courts to see filed by that date.

Thanks, I had a feeling this was the case, and judging by HH's lack of response so far, I'm led to believe that December 14th is still the point of no return, not the 8th, though options become more restrictive at that point of course. I'm mostly curious now to see how these two hearings go, seems like AZ could be similar to PA while MI could be a blackpill, but we'll see.

 

[GuntPunt]

Recent update. Said they’ve heard nothing thus far that would merit direct appointment. If the MI hearing isn’t flawless then MI is fucking gone.

Then they better print out as many copies of Hunter's cock as possible. It's the smoking gun.

If it is all hopeless as you say, might as well go as far as possible. Fuck giving these assholes the win without a fight.

 

[Shield Breaker]

Very interesting how when people predicted the right was going to have a problem two years ago, that they were not building anything beyond Trump or even looking ahead 4 years, they were called doomers; Now the same smug people who told them off and were acting like smug 2016 hillary supporters are panicking as the walls close in around them with no contigency.

You doom about everything, tho', so you are going to be right eventually. It's like someone who always bets on black bragging about their amazing insight into gambling.

 

[murdered meat bag]

That's what I was wondering. In 2016, the GOP establishment cronies could've shoved Trump into a dark room and made him kiss the ring and give up so Jeb! or Rubio could take it to Clinton, but they figured that he would have lost in a landslide to her, so fuck it, make Orange Man the nominee.

I recall that Paul Ryan was running some ops to be in a good position for the "guaranteed" Clinton Administration too. Nothing beats a lose-win, I guess.

On that note, what happened to that guy? I saw him duromg SoTU 16, and come 2020, Kevin McCarthy is here all of a sudden. Maybe I remember him during the Obama SoTUs.

GOPe did make trump kiss the ring, RNC chair Preibus was made Chief of staff where fucked shit up left and right, leaking shit and pushing out trump supporters. who nudged trump to pick Rod Rosenstien, who later would pick Mueller for the russiagate shit? preibus.

in the 2016 primaries the GOPe pushed for ted cruz and did their best to sabotage trump as much as possible. The trump campaign didn't understand our caucus process, after the primary vote (which tons of supporters turned out for) there's a caucus that determines how many electors each candidate gets.

Trump didn't have enough knowledgeable people on the ground to get supporters to come to the caucus itself, and the local Gope in the big cities had a fun time voiding trump slates by fucking with the supporters. right before the debate of the cruz vs trump slates, the GOPe gave a signal and a bunch of people backed out of the trump slate to join the cruz one. it was super disappointing to have been gamed so easily.

The rural GOP ended up giving trump the majority of the electors.

trump ultimately won and i have no problems believing he'll win now. the Gope fuckery was real and they played for keeps.

 

[CrystalHead]

Thanks, I had a feeling this was the case, and judging by HH's lack of response so far, I'm led to believe that December 14th is still the point of no return, not the 8th, though options become more restrictive at that point of course. I'm mostly curious now to see how these two hearings go, seems like AZ could be similar to PA while MI could be a blackpill, but we'll see.

Arizona's GOP seems to at least have more balls than Georgia's GOP which admittely isn't saying much but it's at least something.

As for Michigan I'm just gonna cross my fingers and hope Rudy brings his absolute A game. I think they can make a strong case there.

Beyond that I still think Lawfare can succeed in Wisconsin and possibly Nevada.

Edit: Heck considering it's 2020 maybe the fucking Kraken of all things will save the day.

 

[spiritofamermaid]

When The Donald still had a subreddit, I loved the memes they had of it. That one reporter who kept being the first one yelling at Trump, that one who got in some trouble for holding back an aide from stopping him asking questions, had one made of him whining for a toy. I hate that I look back on those times as simple, compared to everything now.

There was a funny one of a McDonald's manager where it goes
>mfw I'm about to end my shift and I get an order for 100 quarter pounders
Or something along those lines
It wasn't greentext, just text over reaction image, but I laughed.

 

[King's Gambit Accepted]

GOPe did make trump kiss the ring, RNC chair Preibus was made Chief of staff where fucked shit up left and right, leaking shit and pushing out trump supporters. who nudged trump to pick Rod Rosenstien, who later would pick Mueller for the russiagate shit? preibus.

in the 2016 primaries the GOPe pushed for ted cruz and did their best to sabotage trump as much as possible. The trump campaign didn't understand our caucus process, after the primary vote (which tons of supporters turned out for) there's a caucus that determines how many electors each candidate gets.

Trump didn't have enough knowledgeable people on the ground to get supporters to come to the caucus itself, and the local Gope in the big cities had a fun time voiding trump slates by fucking with the supporters. right before the debate of the cruz vs trump slates, the GOPe gave a signal and a bunch of people backed out of the trump slate to join the cruz one. it was super disappointing to have gamed so easily.

The rural GOP ended up giving trump the majority of the electors.

trump ultimately won and i have no problems believing he'll win now. the Gope fuckery was real and they played for keeps.

The establishment Republicans hated Ted Cruz too though. They backed him at the end when it was between him and Trump. They liked Rubio and Jeb.

 

[draggs]

Shit ends when the Supreme Court says it does

They found a right to abortion in the constitution, they'll find a right to delay appointment of electors if they want to. And won't if they don't

Very interesting how when people predicted the right was going to have a problem two years ago, that they were not building anything beyond Trump or even looking ahead 4 years, they were called doomers; Now the same smug people who told them off and were acting like smug 2016 hillary supporters are panicking as the walls close in around them with no contigency.

That was like two users that I can remember that were seriously saying that. But I do agree that the right is getting desperate now, which is why there's been a slow draw into "everyone but straight white men need to have their votes taken away and other extreme choices" because they've finally tasted some victory and don't know what to do with it or how to keep it.

Meanwhile in the real world everyone but faggots at the Bulwark and Friends understands that the GOP is an anti-socialist, nationalist, working-class party now that can win enough hispanics to make demography is destiny shit its pants again

 

[HumanHive]

Shit ends when the Supreme Court says it does

They found a right to abortion in the constitution, they'll find a right to delay appointment of electors if they want to. And won't if they don't

Unfortunately there are hard constitutional time limits here. When the electors meet and vote, that’s it. Otherwise you’d throw out the ENTIRE election.

 

[murdered meat bag]

The establishment Republicans hated Ted Cruz too though. They backed him at the end when it was between him and Trump. They liked Rubio and Jeb.

did they? they probably did, i lump cruz, jeb and rubio in the "we need the spanish vote" camp. remember when they debated each other in shitty broken spanish? I remember rubio tanked once his closet homosexuality came to light and christie got him stuck on an endless loop.

Unfortunately there are hard constitutional time limits here. When the electors meet and vote, that’s it. Otherwise you’d throw out the ENTIRE election.

first for everything.

 

[draggs]

Unfortunately there are hard constitutional time limits here. When the electors meet and vote, that’s it. Otherwise you’d throw out the ENTIRE election.

State legislatures usually vote on a slate of electors about a week before that

They can wait up til the day though

It's silly anyway the Court will either dismiss the PA case or order some kind of audit with at least a week to finish it so there will be a day or two between the end of the audit and the very last day the legislatures can vote. The Court can move that fast and either way it probably will

 

[King's Gambit Accepted]

did they? they probably did, i lump cruz, jeb and rubio in the "we need the spanish vote" camp. remember when they debated each other in shitty broken spanish? I remember rubio tanked once his closet homosexuality came to light and christie got him stuck on an endless loop.



first for everything.

Oh yeah, they definitely hated Cruz in 2016. I think they thought he was a senator more interested in grandstanding and getting his face on TV than anything else.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/22/5-times-ted-cruz-went-to-war-with-the-republican-establishment/

"There was a time—long, long ago—when the Republican Party was afraid of Donald Trump, but it truly loathed Ted Cruz.

They hated him. They couldn’t stand him. They might have thought Trump was a huckster, they might have thought he didn’t have any idea what he was doing, and they might have thought he was a bigot, but at least he wasn’t as insufferable as Ted Cruz, the man who had gone out of his way to wreck the party’s plans in Congress, and had called Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell a liar. Forced to choose, party elders tended to shudder and lean Trump. Lindsey Graham was particularly piquant in his criticism. He was very clear he didn’t like Cruz, who he said was no better than Trump and whom he accused of McCarthyism. He cracked, “If you killed Ted Cruz on the floor of the Senate, and the trial was in the Senate, nobody would convict you.”

-- That's from The Atlantic, from March 2016 lol

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-republican-party-decides-to-settle/472668/

 

[Grandpa Simpson]

I like this bit where Newsmax goes through the recent Federalist Article.

1. - Biden recieved 80 Million votes, more than Obama, more than Hillary, the most popular Presidential candidate in history.

2. - No incumbent President has gained votes since their last election, and then gone on to lose the subsequent election in 100 years.

3. - Trump won Florida and Ohio bellwether states, and yet lost the election, the first time in 60 years.

4. - Trump won 18 of the 19 bellwether counties, yet went on to lose the election.

5.- The Democrats losing seats in Congress, while Republicans have kept every incumbent seat, and gained every one of the 27 "tossup" seats.

6. - Biden trailed Clinton in performance in every city, except for the cities in the states, where electoral charges are being filed.

Each one by themselves I could say "It's just coincidence", even two or three. But six "coincidences"? Throw in the other stuff about the voting system and sworn eyewitness testimony? Theres only so many co-incidences one can handwave away.

 

[Reisen Storm]

Man, the people on the left and those that support Biden have no fucking idea how government works. I'm forever astounded by their own lack of knowledge.

 

[Taco]

I remember rubio tanked once his closet homosexuality came to light and christie got him stuck on an endless loop.

I'll never forget that. It was so embarrassing he literally spit out the same canned answer like three times in a row. I cringed so hard I had to turn off the debates for a few minutes to get it together. A few days later someone showed up to a Rubio event dressed as a robot Rubio and there was speculation at the time that it was Rodger Stone under the costume.

I feel sorry for anyone who hasn't been alive long enough to remember politics before 2016 and it just keeps getting crazier.

 

[TheSimpShow]

"Despite repeated counts and audits, there is no evidence of any kind that any voting system deleted, lost, or changed votes in Georgia, or in any of the other 28 states that use Dominion devices."
"There were no "glitches" with Dominion's voting systems, and no unauthorized or last-minute software updates occurred."
"We stand with the state and local elected officials and bipartisan election volunteers that this suit maliciously maligns."

Look fuckers, either Marcia Ridley lied or you lied. You cant stand by the election officials and also claim no fault

There was never a fucking audit, all they did was run the papers through the machines again, the same machines, the machines that were already set up the way they needed em. It's plain as day.

 

[Jarolleon]

https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/999063/1

“Giuliani: Team Trump Looking Past Election Suits to State Houses”

See? Look at this shit. They had a whole month to put pressure and do hearings, but here we are last minute realizing the courts won’t crown Trump.

Oh btw, MI and GA legislatures have gone on record saying they won’t direct appoint. So now it must be PA, WI, and AZ; or US Senate coup that is unlikely and would unleash hell if it did happen. Trump is out if time and out of options.

Imagine if he went straight to state houses on November 5th, begging them to commit political suicide through direct elector selection to give him another term because of "Muh 4 am ballots!" . I don't think he's that charismatic. He had to stir up enough of a fraud-related shitstorm first before they'd consider it.

 

[Grandpa Simpson]

did they? they probably did, i lump cruz, jeb and rubio in the "we need the spanish vote" camp. remember when they debated each other in shitty broken spanish? I remember rubio tanked once his closet homosexuality came to light and christie got him stuck on an endless loop.

I liked the old elections because of the songs that came out of it. Things seemed so simpler then.