Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[PaleTay]

The Sweden "Second Wave" situation really proves that the expectation is forever lockdowns.

 

[teriyakiburns]

The Sweden "Second Wave" situation really proves that the expectation is forever lockdowns.

Sweden's case and death curves are almost identical to everyone else in Europe, barring a couple of places that are locked down so tight that there's no point leaving your home anyway. If anything, it proves that the lockdowns and all the extreme measures are pretty much useless, and possibly even counterproductive.

 

[PaleTay]

Sweden's case and death curves are almost identical to everyone else in Europe, barring a couple of places that are locked down so tight that there's no point leaving your home anyway. If anything, it proves that the lockdowns and all the extreme measures are pretty much useless, and possibly even counterproductive.

Sweden is just foreshadowing what will happen after the vaccine. There's no longer any case for the assumption of governments or organizations acting in good faith.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

I'm pondering about something.. pro-restriction are all saying they follow the science™ . But it make me wonder, us human being can we really handle and understand a society ruled by science?
Let me explain science, the concept itself is is about uncertainty and questioning. Unquestionable fact/true in theory are antonym of science.
Before all that, it was the dark age a world ruled by theocracy. Religion are based on certainty and truth. As rigid and backward this way of life can be it may reassure the dumb and overly emotional populace of the unknown.
Nowadays we technically deleted religion and ''replaced'' with science. But we still have the same dogmatic view and struggle to challenge what we think as hard fact. So in the end we didn't replace we just renamed thing
Also it well know that big lobby can corrupt and influence current scientific search

What I hate about the "FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!" dipshits is that like isn't Darwinian Natural Selection fucking science?

 

[JosephStalin]

Once again, the same old shit from the county I live in. I just keep buying my lottery tickets. Gladder than hell my son and his family escaped the Democratic People's Republic of Kalifornia and made it to Texas.


NO HOLIDAY FOR VIRUS AS NEW CASES HIT HIGHEST WEEKLY TOTAL

There were 1,064 new coronavirus infections in Monterey County this week, according to data released this morning by the county health department — a number that is the highest weekly total for the county since the epidemic began, and almost triple of the number of new cases in the last week of October.

There are a number of theories as to the cause of the beastly surge. One is that county residents socialized too much on Halloween — and if that's the case, infections may yet move even higher during the holiday season. After all, tourism on the Monterey Peninsula reached a peak in mid-summer without causing a surge, and the whole county has been under the strictest shutdown rules in the state since they were issued in late August — and made a great deal of progress toward controlling new infections until November got here. So if tourism isn't the problem, and neither are the rules, then what gives? We await an answer from the experts.

This week's 1,064 cases, as usual, mostly occurred in Salinas and the Salinas Valley, where there were 750. On the Monterey Peninsula, there were 150 new cases this week, including 61 in Seaside, 32 in Marina, 29 in Monterey, 10 in Pacific Grove, seven in Carmel area (92923), four each in Carmel Valley and Pebble Beach, and none in Carmel-by-the-Sea or Big Sur, the health department said. Three cases were attributed to an "unspecified" Peninsula location.

The new cases raised Monterey County's 7-day average of new cases per day per 100,000 residents to a daunting 32.7. As a side note, we can also tell you that today the state released an updated coronavirus score for the county of 22.2, but it's a number that, at this point, requires no exactitude. All you need to know is that the score is light-years from the 7.0 needed for us to move out of the Purple Tier in the state's economic shutdown scheme.

There were eight additional coronavirus-related fatalities among county residents over the last seven days, the health department reported, bringing the total since the coronavirus epidemic began to 121 and making the county's death rate .00026053, or 260.5 deaths per million population. (To compare that with other locations in the country and around the world, click here.)

As you know from our reporting earlier this week, the county's hospitals on Tuesday sounded the alarm about hospitalizations due to the virus reaching such high levels — 69 among all hospitals on Tuesday — they threatened to surge past the capacity to treat them. Unfortunately, because of the holiday, we have no updated number of hospitalizations to give you today.

For details about Monterey County's shutdown status, as reported by the California Department of Public Health, click here. To see the most up-to-date charts and tables from the county health department, click here. Below, you can also find the updated versions of our charts showing coronavirus infections countywide and in the Monterey Peninsula, along with the data for hospitalizations and our chart breaking down Monterey County's coronavirus cases and infection rates by zip code. Please check these charts and tables for the latest data on coronavirus cases in your community.

 

[Bakarina]

Your grandad is glowie, isn't he? He must know that what air gapping is.

Also.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/home/interior-projects/how-to/a14101/how-to-transmit-internet-power-outlets/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_over_power_lines

It's possible to use electrical cables to send and receive data. So your grandfather is actually one of the smart ones.

I don't think he's a glowie, he just suffers from chronic paranoia which is probably hereditary looking at that side of the family's health records. If he ever glowed, it was him being part of a contractor team in the 80s.

 

[Clockwork_PurBle]

"Follow the science!!!!"

OK who wants to talk about the mountain of crimes against humanity and ethics that have been committed in the name of "science"?

 

[Vault Boy]

One of the problems with having our leaders defer to the "experts" on all Corona matters is tunnel vision. I'm sure some of the "experts" are indeed smart when it comes to certain medical issues, but they lack the foresight to understand how sustainable their measures are. Expecting countries to remain shutdown for years is ignorant when it comes to understanding human nature (we're a social species, no shit a lot of us barely tolerated it even when it was supposedly about flattening the curve) and basic economics.

Patience is going to inevitably wear thin when you keep insisting on making people's lives miserable "for their own good", and we're getting closer to the next economic depression the longer these lockdowns go on. The combination of the two and their side effects (such as increased depression, suicide, and homelessness) has the potential to do far more damage to global society than Corona ever had, yet "experts" keep thinking the latter needs to be stopped at any cost.

If the likes of Fauci had even more sway, I genuinely think some countries would've collapsed from a revolution.

A balance is needed to keep society healthy, which means listening to other experts like economists more often.

 

[JosephStalin]

One of the problems with having our leaders defer to the "experts" on all Corona matters is tunnel vision. I'm sure some of the "experts" are indeed smart when it comes to certain medical issues, but they lack the foresight to understand how sustainable their measures are. Expecting countries to remain shutdown for years is ignorant when it comes to understanding human nature (we're a social species, no shit a lot of us barely tolerated it even when it was supposedly about flattening the curve) and basic economics.

Patience is going to inevitably wear thin when you keep insisting on making people's lives miserable "for their own good", and we're getting closer to the next economic depression the longer these lockdowns go on. The combination of the two and their side effects (such as increased depression, suicide, and homelessness) has the potential to do far more damage to global society than Corona ever had, yet "experts" keep thinking the latter needs to be stopped at any cost.

If the likes of Fauci had even more sway, I genuinely think some countries would've collapsed from a revolution.

A balance is needed to keep society healthy, which means listening to other experts like economists more often.

VB, have said it before, will say it again, ad infinitum, almost ad nauseam, but the short-term and long-term societal damage caused by the "experts" re the ChiCom Flu is going to be far worse than the economic or medical damage. You see the credibility of governments/judiciaries/law enforcement all over destroyed, trust in such governments a thing of the past, support for such governments absent or sorely lacking.

Still believe we will be lucky to get through this without widespread civil disobedience or widespread violence. People more and more are becoming outraged by "them" doing as they please while expecting us to follow "their" rules. "They" flaunt their travel out of state and out of the country while imposing new restrictions on those they leave behind. But I understand one million people went through LAX (Los Angeles International Airport) on Monday, so people are "voting with their feet".

 

[Vince McMahon]

I don't think he's a glowie, he just suffers from chronic paranoia which is probably hereditary looking at that side of the family's health records. If he ever glowed, it was him being part of a contractor team in the 80s.

So basically, he was a civvy glowwie. Worse perks, more scrutiny. No wonder he's paranoid.

 

[Blake Chortles]

Theres literally zero incentive for a public health 'expert' or a doc to be non doomer. They always err on the side of overcaution because why the fuck wouldn't you. Theres never any personal consequences for them being overcautious and a large potential cost if the .1% chance thing happens.

A good example people would be familiar with is calling the doctor's office, especially after hours. If theres even a 1% chance your symptom could be something serious they are telling you to go the ER, incurring a large cost to yourself (or in socialist land, society).

The reason is they can't be sued if they tell you to go the ER so its actually not really possible to get informed, legitimate medical advice from them, just doomer advice. The internet will be more honest in those situations.

 

[wry wrangler]

I stopped taking my local health authorities seriously when they recommended the use of glory holes for safe sex during the pandemic, glory holes being recommended because they help avoid face-to-face contact.

No, really:

Use barriers, like walls (e.g., glory holes), that allow for sexual contact but prevent close face-to-face contact.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

Remember when they shut down the beaches and parks all over the country for fear of COVID? That was possibly the most autistic decision ever. Then Florida instated that weird rule where you could walk on the beach but not sit or sunbathe. I guess the sitting position is far more dangerous.

None of this shit makes sense.

I think the point where they lost me was when they stopped issuing fishing licenses as a lockdown measure very early on. They were just flailing around doing shit to do it. To be seen as being in control.

Theres literally zero incentive for a public health 'expert' or a doc to be non doomer. They always err on the side of overcaution because why the fuck wouldn't you. Theres never any personal consequences for them being overcautious and a large potential cost if the .1% chance thing happens.

A good example people would be familiar with is calling the doctor's office, especially after hours. If theres even a 1% chance your symptom could be something serious they are telling you to go the ER, incurring a large cost to yourself (or in socialist land, society).

The reason is they can't be sued if they tell you to go the ER so its actually not really possible to get informed, legitimate medical advice from them, just doomer advice. The internet will be more honest in those situations.

It's a perception thing. The "experts" are a bunch of white-collar nerds who don't understand how shit works in the real world. They come from the ALARA safety culture that says anything that can be done to reduce risk and improve safety should be. Cost is just passed on. Just a number for someone else to deal with.

"It's easy. Just do XYZ." Easy to say. Expensive and complicated to do. But they don't have to pay the price, so whatevs.

I recently had to point this out to someone about the mink cull. How incinerating them rather than burying them in a hole was waaaaaay more complicated. Culls involve digging a hole with whatever bit of equipment you have handy and burying them. That's standard practice. There isn't some Mink Disposal truck that shows up to haul your dead minks to the Mink Incinerator. Nobody is going to create some elite biohazard disposal service for some one-off widely dispersed event either. You bury it cheaply and move on. Problem solved.

You could visually see them struggle to wrap their brain around it. The whole "A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week." mantra that is common sense in the field was completely alien to them. They were too used to everything having this elaborately planned infrastructure-intensive costly fallback position. "Good enough" isn't really a thing in their world.

 

[Bakarina]

So basically, he was a civvy glowwie. Worse perks, more scrutiny. No wonder he's paranoid.

His whole side of the family is like that and if he was a glowie (former or otherwise) he wouldn't continuously take his computer to Geek Squad whenever he accidentally downloads a virus. I think it's just regular paranoia (be it from mental health or old age) than being a glowie.

A good example people would be familiar with is calling the doctor's office, especially after hours. If theres even a 1% chance your symptom could be something serious they are telling you to go the ER, incurring a large cost to yourself (or in socialist land, society).

Veterinarian offices and dental clinics also give advice to go to the ER if it could be serious.

I stopped taking my local health authorities seriously when they recommended the use of glory holes for safe sex during the pandemic, glory holes being recommended because they help avoid face-to-face contact.

No, really:

I stopped when they shut down the clinic I go to with no warning. Took me about 3 months to get a hold of my family's doctor to discuss a few things. Apparently, one of the first things the state medical board shut down were numerous clinics when this whole thing started. Luckily, my doctor isn't tied to just one location and we were able to go see him for a follow up that was supposed to happen around the time the lockdowns started hitting. He was spitting mad about the entire thing was handled as well.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

I'm sure some of the "experts" are indeed smart when it comes to certain medical issues, but they lack the foresight to understand how sustainable their measures are.

This, to some degree.

Basically its just all projections & models, where the model that everyone hides in their basement for 2 years has the lowest number of COVID deaths; and the model where everyone in every city piles together in the same stadium has the highest number of COVID deaths.
Well then the decision is still up to politicians and politically-appointed "health officials" about what they are going to do.

The other issue here is that we don't live in a vacuum (ironically, given how pro-lockdown/mask mandate faggots love to say that line).

I made a comment to a peer that we could cure Snake Fungal Disease (SFD) in endangered Eastern Indigo simply by cementing the snakes in their (tortoise) burrows. They, of course, commented that my idea was idiotic because not only would the snakes die of lack of food & ability to thermoregulate; but that it would damn the whole ecosystem because tortoises, mice, frogs, other snakes and even birds use those burrows.
To which I replied "now do lockdowns", and they of course shook their head and rolled their eyes.
But, the point is, if you followed that strategy it would cause SFD spread to cease almost instantly; and this is the problem with looking at simple hypothetical trend lines in a vacuum without a risk vs benefit analysis.

If the likes of Fauci had even more sway, I genuinely think some countries would've collapsed from a revolution.

Fauci fucking flip-flops all the time.

He's an appointed government bureaucrat, not some frontline scientist like the media makes him out to be. He's pro mask when its convenient, he's not so pro-mask when its convenient, he just fucking flip flops and people hear from him what they want to heal from him.

 

[Hippopatumus]

I stopped taking my local health authorities seriously when they recommended the use of glory holes for safe sex during the pandemic, glory holes being recommended because they help avoid face-to-face contact.

I stopped taking my local authorities seriously when they closed schools and left casinos open.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

After losing the house from a hurricane from the beginning of November sucks and me and the family stayed with a cousin, we got back on track on getting a new house on a new location. We haven't moved to it yet, just making sure all things are ready then we got a warning that a really long supercell storm front capable of producing tornadoes heading toward us and our area has a higher chance of getting a couple, plus damaging winds, flooding, and whatnot than other areas.
Taking no chances just this once, we went to a tornado shelter. Turns out it's closed like the last one for the same reason: 'preventing the spread of Wuflu'. Holy fucking shit
I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of us cancled getting the house and looked for another one with a basement afterwards.

Don't be mad at authorities for saving lives. We're in a pandemic, don't be selfish! Shut up and don't complain when that 2x4 is being flung at 200mph at your head.

But seriously shit like this is pure insanity. I wonder if we'll hear reports about people burning to death or something because they couldn't leave their apartment/house without a face muzzle, just like that one time in Saudi Arabia a bunch of girls died because they couldn't leave their school without their burkas.

 

[Blake Chortles]

I lost it when the CDC called racism a public health crisis and many government entities either directly or indirectly approved the protests. Also when I heard CA thinks strip clubs are essential but churches are too dangerous. Thank God I don't live there though.

Don't be mad at authorities for saving lives. We're in a pandemic, don't be selfish! Shut up and don't complain when that 2x4 is being flung at 200mph at your head.

But seriously shit like this is pure insanity. I wonder if we'll hear reports about people burning to death or something because they couldn't leave their apartment/house without a face muzzle, just like that one time in Saudi Arabia a bunch of girls died because they couldn't leave their school without their burkas.

Up until like August soooo many cancer treatments, general surgeries (things that get worse as they are delayed) were delayed due to lack of COVID testing. That doesn't even touch the number of patients skipping screenings or treatment on their own.

I had to field a call of a surgeon saying the anesthesiologist won't even enter the room because the COVID test wasn't done (all preops are symptomless going in testing or not). I was almost brave enough to tell him to contact that doctor's ethics board because that level of paranoia and fear of a sick person is a breach of ethics but I cucked and just linked the medical director to deal with it.

 

[verygayFrogs]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/inmates-paid-2-move-deceased-171043277.html

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Texas inmates were being paid $2 an hour to work at the local morgue amid a surge in local deaths associated with the coronavirus pandemic, according to a new report, while awaiting assistance from the US National Guard.

The situation has turned grim all over the country, with a spike in Covid-19 infections spreading across the south and more rural parts of the US that had not previously seen significant breakouts of the novel virus.

A spokesperson for the El Paso County Sheriff’s Office confirmed the temporary work assignment was for a group of inmates in low-level custody in a statement to the Texas Tribune.

He said the “trustees refused to work unless they were compensated” and so the inmates were then provided $2 per hour, as well as personal protective equipment. Inmates working at the El Paso County detention facilities are not typically paid.

The newspaper reported that at least 10 mobile morgues were meanwhile being constructed outside of the medical examiner’s office amid the wave of infections.

At least 45 people in the county have died since Thursday due to complications resulting from Covid-19, according to local tracking data, with over a thousand more people currently in hospital.

Throughout the US, nearly 250,000 people have died due to the pandemic. More than 11 million Americans have been infected with the virus since the pandemic began earlier this year, according to official estimates.

The country was meanwhile easing coronavirus restrictions in many states, including in Texas, where some guidelines were lifted in September.
El Paso county has attempted to enforce a shutdown but it has been the subject of legal challenges by the state’s attorney general, as well as a group of restauranteurs.

 

[Clockwork_PurBle]

I stopped taking my local authorities seriously when they closed schools and left casinos open.

I don't think my local authorities have been this autistic (I'm sure if they were I would've noticed and I live in a rural county) but there are apparently some states that ordered churches to close but left strip clubs open.

L.A. county also famously ordered Santa Anita Racecourse to not open to the public but allowed an atrium across the street to allow entry.