2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[Zero Day Defense]

While we wait for the week to start, something of interest is that in Shelby County vs. Holder from 2013, Justice Roberts said that statistical data can be used as evidence. Just food for thought.

It's a given that statistical data can be used for evidence, no? The thing is that most of the time you can't draw conclusions from statistics alone.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Welp, that pill turned dark really quick
https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1333153276129390592
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That's fucking perjury and just gives more gravity to a criminal investigation.

 

[Kane Lives]

Okay, what the actual fuck is going on in Georgia?

This was reported everywhere by the mainstream media and now local witnesses allege that the servers didn’t crash, after all, the server was removed.

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[Random Internet Person]

Does anyone question the logitistical nightmare of committing a fraud this big? Or am I the only big brain one thinking of it?

Some have. If anything, there’s some independence upon receiving orders , and it was only seen because of the actions of the foot soldiers. There’s also talk about people like Pelosi being quiet now because these lower people could be thrown under the bus if need be, but I’m of the thinking that the only way Trump can pull this out is if someone comes and turns against their accomplices at this point. I don’t trust the courts and the legislature.

The rehabilitation of Fox News is right on track.

Soon they'll be joining the likes of Bush, Romney and Bolton in the category of "right wingers who said something bad about Trump therefore we will forget every bad thing that they did"

That’s what the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and Trump Accountability Project will be aiming to do. And anyone they feel is too far gone like Alex Jones....they’re getting the guillotine.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

In B4 Youtube and Big Tech turn of the streams from Arizona.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Okay, what the actual fuck is going on in Georgia?

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People REALLY want to get to the GA runoffs. We already have people working to box out Trump and run out the clock.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

The allegations about DVS most relevant to the election outcome in Georgia are that votes tallied on a Dominion vote tabulator were somehow manipulated on a statewide basis to elevate the count in favor of the Democratic presidential candidate. It is important to understand that this is not possible—not on a machine-by-machine basis, not by alleged hacking, not by manipulating software, and not by imagined ways of "sending" votes to overseas locations. But even if it were possible, it would have been discovered in the statewide handcount of votes.

So Dominion basically just said that the internet is imaginary.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Okay, what the actual fuck is going on in Georgia?

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You know, when you hear "Devil Went Down to Georgia", you have to wonder whether the "went down" is figurative or literal.

 

[TwinkLover6969]

In B4 Youtube and Big Tech turn of the streams from Arizona.

Do you have a link to a stream?

 

[Pompano Mike]

That's fucking perjury and just gives more gravity to a criminal investigation.

It's potentially spoliation of evidence, which can have pretty important consequences. Courts can issue sanctions against parties who decide to just shred documents or DFE when they have a duty to preserve that evidence, such as when there's imminent or pending litigation to which the evidence is relevant. The sanctions can include automatically considering the destroyed evidence to be harmful to the defendant and instructing a jury accordingly, punitive damages, or even striking the defendant's answer and awarding a default judgment to the plaintiff. It's really stupid to do something like that and I am wondering what the fuck is going on in Fulton County.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

Okay, what the actual fuck is going on in Georgia?

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You mean this Georgia?

https://archive.vn/xAlfe

The counties use voting machines made by Dominion Voting Systems and electronic poll books — used to sign in voters — made by KnowInk.

The companies “uploaded something last night, which is not normal, and it caused a glitch,” said Marcia Ridley, elections supervisor at Spalding County Board of Election. That glitch prevented pollworkers from using the pollbooks to program smart cards that the voters insert into the voting machines.
Ridley said that a representative from the two companies called her after poll workers began having problems with the equipment Tuesday morning and said the problem was due to an upload to the machines by one of their technicians overnight.
“That is something that they don’t ever do. I’ve never seen them update anything the day before the election,” Ridley said. Ridley said she did not know what the upload contained.
Gabriel Sterling, voting system implementation manager in the secretary of state’s office, told reporters that the issue likely was a dataset that got uploaded to the systems, but that they don’t know for certain. He did not say if the dataset was uploaded by the voting machine vendor.
Sterling told reporters the issue took some time to fix because technicians had to bring in additional equipment to correct the problem.

They have, of course, updated the article a week later to cover for them:

Georgia election official: Machine glitch caused by last-minute vendor upload

Voting was delayed in two counties for two hours while the problem was fixed.

www.politico.com

So in Georgia the Dominion voting machines were connected to the live internet and someone uploaded a secret and untested, unapproved update to them, which crashed multiple machines and required an onsite tech call.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Incidentally, it probably makes sense to record this stream because of the high chance of it getting nuked

function yt_record
{
    ffmpeg -i $(youtube-dl -f "bestvideo[height<=${1}][ext=mp4]+bestaudio[ext=m4a]/best[height<=${1}][ext=mp4]" -g ${2} ) -c copy out.mp4
}

yt_record 360 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rri6flxaXww

 

[Very Honest Content]

I’ll bite. This was data from Florida:
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About 1/3 of Republicans requested and returned mail-in ballots. Florida is a traditional swing state like Wisconsin. This is why I can’t accept that data. Sure, more Democrats did mail-in votes compared to Republicans, but Republicans still made a fair chunk of mail-in votes regardless.

Trump literally tweeted that state's mail in absentee system was fine, you don't think that made Republican voters in that state more likely to use that avenue to send in their votes compared to other states where his line was not to use mail in voting and the only way he could lose was if there was fraud, which by the way argues that Republicans don't need to vote because since fraud is illegal the only way to lose was to have the other side break the law so who needs to show up in that case as a loss would then obviously lead to a round of lock them up? Anyway, very convenient cherry pick for your data, going to a venue the side you're arguing for endorsed the use of absentee mail in votes be used there, what a shock....

I know I'm probably gonna beat a dead horse by saying this, but fuck it - what people like @Hollywood Hulk Hogan don't understand is that we're not just angry because...

TL;DR: The Dems are hypocrites, and are actively flushing our country down the toilet, news at 11.

Nobody is angry though, remember? That's what your fellow seethe posters in here keep insisting. At least you admit you're seething though, so you have that over the in denial copers.

 

[Meat Target]

Okay, what the actual fuck is going on in Georgia?

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It's potentially spoliation of evidence, which can have pretty important consequences. Courts can issue sanctions against parties who decide to just shred documents or DFE when they have a duty to preserve that evidence, such as when there's imminent or pending litigation to which the evidence is relevant. The sanctions can include automatically considering the destroyed evidence to be harmful to the defendant and instructing a jury accordingly, punitive damages, or even striking the defendant's answer and awarding a default judgment to the plaintiff. It's really stupid to do something like that and I am wondering what the fuck is going on in Fulton County.

Meh. They'll get away with it. They always get away with it. When have they NOT gotten away with it? I'll wait for examples.

 

[CrystalHead]

Do you have a link to a stream?

Here you go. The hearing is just staring now with the introductions of the Arizona legislators.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

It's potentially spoliation of evidence, which can have pretty important consequences. Courts can issue sanctions against parties who decide to just shred documents or DFE when they have a duty to preserve that evidence, such as when there's imminent or pending litigation to which the evidence is relevant. The sanctions can include automatically considering the destroyed evidence to be harmful to the defendant and instructing a jury accordingly, punitive damages, or even striking the defendant's answer and awarding a default judgment to the plaintiff. It's really stupid to do something like that and I am wondering what the fuck is going on in Fulton County.

Stupidity and desperation. They think if the evidence is gone "because the written policy said to delete it (smug smug smug)" that means they're out clean, and it's probably percolated around enough that there's SOMETHING to hide and that Trump ISN'T going away like he was "supposed" to.

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

People already gathered in AZ

 

[Pompano Mike]

Stupidity and desperation. They think if the evidence is gone "because the written policy said to delete it (smug smug smug)" that means they're out clean, and it's probably percolated around enough that there's SOMETHING to hide and that Trump ISN'T going away like he was "supposed" to.

I suppose we'll have to see. Sanctions are of course contingent on a judge ruling accordingly and this particular judge has now flip flopped twice on his injunction ordering the counties to not touch the voting machine data. I'm not really expecting much to come out of this case as far as affecting the results. If there was incriminating shit that got deleted, it was probably done with an eye towards keeping it out of the view of the general public.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Believe me, I'm not trying to defend communism and I'm certainly not trying to defend Maduro. I just wouldn't hold up present day South America as an example of the success of capitalism either.

There's a lot to be said for Costa Rica never having any kind of extremist government during the cold war, left or right. Chile is certainly better than most of South America but they've been having a rough time over the last couple of years.

Actually, something else occurred to me

https://jrbenjamin.com/2015/12/04/how-thomas-friedman-gets-china-wrong/
https://archive.vn/tRZjg

Peter Robinson: New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman writes that,

One-party autocracy certainly has its drawbacks. But when it is led by a reasonably enlightened group of people, as China is today, it can also have great advantages… It is not an accident that China is committed to overtaking us in electric cars, solar power, energy efficiency, batteries, nuclear power and wind power.

What do you make of this “Beijing Consensus,” this view that maybe they are better suited for the future than our form of government.

Victor Davis Hanson: If you gave me ten minutes and the internet, I could give you an almost verbatim quote from what left-wing people said about Mussolini in the twenties, and what right-wing people like Charles Lindbergh said about Germany in the thirties. They make the trains run on time…

But China has a rendezvous with radical pollution problems and clean up; demographic problems, a shrinking population that will grow old before it grows rich; one male per family, imbalance between the sexes. Somehow their brilliant foreign policy cooked up a nuclear Pakistan, a nuclear North Korea, a nuclear Russia, a soon-to-be nuclear Iran, and maybe, in the future, a nuclear Taiwan and Japan — all right on their border.

So I don’t get this fascination that, just because you fly into the Shanghai airport and everything looks great in a way that Kennedy doesn’t, suddenly they’re the avatars of the future.

What Thomas Friedman would need to do is get on a bicycle, cross rural China, then compare that with biking across rural Nebraska to see which society is more resilient and stable.

So the problem with China envy is that it always uses very spatially specific examples. Shanghai airport for example.

It is also very time-specific. The CCP took power in 1949. Following that there was the Great Leap Forward and Great Proletarian Cultural revolution. I'd rather have been in Brazil at the time.

Since Tiananmen, the CCP essentially decided to adopt capitalism but not democracy. So the deal was 'Shut up about political reform and we'll make you rich'. So you get a nice shiny airport if you live in Shanghai and presumably a tolerable level of oppression if you toe the line. Also, importantly they had a sort of pseudo system of checks and balances. Leaders had term limits and it took some time for them to become Paramount Leader with the risks that presented of them going full Mao-style crazy.

However, Xi Jinping has removed term limits, clamped down on freedom in both China and Hong Kong, and openly plots war against the US and most of Asia, a war that would be ruinous for the whole region.

So Shanghai airport in the 90s is not a fair example as VDH pointed out. John Rawls said that before living in a society you have to assume that you've got no control in space or time where you end up in that society. In the CCP you've got more chance of being a peasant somewhere outside the period of stability between Tiananmen and Xi than you do ending up a yuppie inside it.

It's this hellish nature of life in a Communist state that justifies Pinochet-like measures to stop it from happening.

 

[Taco]

It's a given that statistical data can be used for evidence, no? The thing is that most of the time you can't draw conclusions from statistics alone.

You can't just pull out a graph and claim fraud and convince a court to toss an election but if there's actual fraud you wouldn't have to. If the statistics actually show fraud you could apply them to narrow your search. Since to realistically flip this election there'd have to be at least 80,000 of these fake votes in PA you'd look for the most suspicious precincts then pull the voter records and start knocking on doors or making calls and you'd find the evidence in no time.