2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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mandatorylurk said:
There is currently a Dominion Server "crash" in Fulton County as they're doing a recount, with some places reporting they actually moved the server from the room.

Sure is convenient, nothing to worry about with Dominion though.
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Dominion servers are much like magnets, nobody knows how the fuck they work.

Im sure everything is fine though, this was the most secure and safe election of all time after all.
 
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Taco said:
You can't just pull out a graph and claim fraud and convince a court to toss an election but if there's actual fraud you wouldn't have to. If the statistics actually show fraud you could apply them to narrow your search. Since to realistically flip this election there'd have to be at least 80,000 of these fake votes in PA you'd look for the most suspicious precincts then pull the voter records and start knocking on doors or making calls and you'd find the evidence in no time.
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Hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots were counted in PA with no Republican observer.
 
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Gustav Schuchardt said:
Actually, something else occurred to me

https://jrbenjamin.com/2015/12/04/how-thomas-friedman-gets-china-wrong/
https://archive.vn/tRZjg



So the problem with China envy is that it always uses very spatially specific examples. Shanghai airport for example.

It is also very time-specific. The CCP took power in 1949. Following that there was the Great Leap Forward and Great Proletarian Cultural revolution. I'd rather have been in Brazil at the time.

Since Tiananmen, the CCP essentially decided to adopt capitalism but not democracy. So the deal was 'Shut up about political reform and we'll make you rich'. So you get a nice shiny airport if you live in Shanghai and presumably a tolerable level of oppression if you toe the line. Also, importantly they had a sort of pseudo system of checks and balances. Leaders had term limits and it took some time for them to become Paramount Leader with the risks that presented of them going full Mao-style crazy.

However, Xi Jinping has removed term limits, clamped down on freedom in both China and Hong Kong, and openly plots war against the US and most of Asia, a war that would be ruinous for the whole region.

So Shanghai airport in the 90s is not a fair example as VDH pointed out. John Rawls said that before living in a society you have to assume that you've got no control in space or time where you end up in that society. In the CCP you've got more chance of being a peasant somewhere outside the period of stability between Tiananmen and Xi than you do ending up a yuppie inside it.

It's this hellish nature of life in a Communist state that justifies Pinochet-like measures to stop it from happening.
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The article you cited blames China for Russia having nuclear weapons when they got them first. I wouldn't take that sort of criticism seriously. Also nuclear Pakistan and North Korea help them because they're hostile to India/the USA and draw some attention away from them. If there are multiple rogue states to focus on less attention can be given to each.

The Guomindang did a white terror in Taiwan along the lines you're describing to prevent a communist uprising, but doing that on the mainland was not remotely viable given how weak the state was after decades of warlordism and civil war.
 
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Gustav Schuchardt said:
That's not true. Most of the dismissed lawsuits were not from the Trump campaign and they were dismissed due to legal bullshit like the doctrine of laches or lack of standing without looking at the evidence, mostly by Democrat-appointed judges.

Spamming these Twitter talking points will convince no one.
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bbut the MSM talked about them so they must be true!
 
PA GOP leaders have ended the session early to stop Mastriano from getting a vote on his motion.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...makers-won-t-meet-again-this-year/ar-BB1buRi9
https://archive.vn/wip/tbeLg

Washington Examiner logoPennsylvania House GOP leaders: Lawmakers won't meet again this year

The Republican leaders of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives announced late Saturday that they will not be returning to session this year, a move that would appear to preclude any possibility of lawmakers interceding in the 2020 election.

House Speaker Bryan Cutler, R-Quarryville, and Majority Leader Kerry Benninghoff, R-Bellefonte, released a joint statement saying that they would not be calling their chamber to Harrisburg on Monday, the final possible day for the 2019-20 session of the Legislature to meet.

“We are physically unable to consider any new legislation before the end of session,” they wrote in the statement. “A simple resolution takes three legislative days for consideration and a concurrent resolution takes five legislative days to move through both chambers, which means we do not have the time needed to address any new resolutions in our current session.”

Article III, Section 4 of the state constitution requires that bills be considered on three different days by each chamber. A simple resolution originates from a single chamber, while a concurrent resolution must move through both.

After Monday, there can be no further meetings of the Legislature this year. Article II, Section 4, decrees that the 2021-22 session of the Legislature will begin on the first Tuesday of January, which will be Jan. 5, 2021.

Given that the House won’t meet before the Electoral College gathers to pick the next president Dec. 14, President Donald Trump’s hopes that state lawmakers in Pennsylvania would step in and choose electors appear to be dashed.

Trump and his allies have alleged that presumed President-elect Joe Biden’s victory in the Nov. 3 election was the result of widespread fraud, including in Pennsylvania. He tweeted that Republican-controlled legislatures in the states where he disputed the results should hold votes to pick a new slate of electors.

“Why is Joe Biden so quickly forming a Cabinet when my investigators have found hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes, enough to ‘flip’ at least four States, which in turn is more than enough to win the Election?” Trump tweeted Nov. 21. “Hopefully the Courts and/or Legislatures will have the COURAGE to do what has to be done to maintain the integrity of our Elections, and the United States of America itself. THE WORLD IS WATCHING!!!”

Trump’s assertions found a receptive audience among several dozen conservative Pennsylvania lawmakers, including state Sen. Doug Mastriano, who called for a Nov. 25 meeting of the Republican-controlled Senate Majority Policy Committee in his district to hear allegations that Pennsylvania’s vote count was hopelessly compromised. Those who spoke at the hearing included Trump himself, via cellphone; his attorneys, Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis; and a number of Republican- and campaign-aligned supporters.

Mastriano and his allies also touted resolutions that they said would lead to lawmakers picking the electors, but the statement from Cutler and Benninghoff appeared to end any possibility of that taking place.
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Pointless Pedant said:
The article you cited blames China for Russia having nuclear weapons when they got them first. I wouldn't take that sort of criticism seriously. Also nuclear Pakistan and North Korea help them because they're hostile to India/the USA and draw some attention away from them. If there are multiple rogue states to focus on less attention can be given to each.

The Guomindang did a white terror in Taiwan along the lines you're describing to prevent a communist uprising, but doing that on the mainland was not remotely viable given how weak the state was after decades of warlordism and civil war.
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But China has a rendezvous with radical pollution problems and clean up; demographic problems, a shrinking population that will grow old before it grows rich; one male per family, imbalance between the sexes. Somehow their brilliant foreign policy cooked up a nuclear Pakistan, a nuclear North Korea, a nuclear Russia, a soon-to-be nuclear Iran, and maybe, in the future, a nuclear Taiwan and Japan — all right on their border.
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The point is that China has a lot of problem areas to navigate in the future and there's no guarantee they'll navigate them effectively. Pointless pedantry over whether China's government is to blame for a nuclear Russia (it's not) doesn't really affect the heart of the argument which is about how China has been governed. Which is very poorly. Or how it will cope with a challenging environment. Which will also likely be very poorly.

Taiwan is an interesting case because pre-Tiananmen had a regime very like China's in the 90s - a one-party state which was widely viewed as illegitimate but delivered growth. Unlike China, it responded to mass demonstrations by democratizing.

That makes me think that, in the absence of severe regime violence a la Tiananmen Square, one-party regimes are not, in the long run, tenable even if they can guarantee growth.

Growth in China has, incidentally, stopped long ago. And a hypothetical US uniparty regime committed to lockdowns, ending fossil fuel use and neoliberal policies to export jobs overseas is very unlikely to deliver enough growth to keep people quiet. Especially if it relies on Twitter and Facebook for its censorship. The US uniparty regime is also a bit light on how much repression it can actually deploy. Censoring people on Facebook and Twitter won't do the job. We know the army and police are pretty Republican in their sympathies. So are the Internet backbone companies which donate mostly Republican.
 
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