Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

Yes I am just a tourist though.

I've got a full plate with politics.

Is anyone keeping track of stats and sales now?

E.
I very much doubt it. Most people here rightly don't care. Those that do likely lack the aptitude for that sort of thing.
one sided loyalties
This was a direct swipe at Frog. Micah and Liam expected their fanatical loyalty to EVS to be returned in kind.

"More fool you?"

ethical capitalism
When people talk about "ethical capitalism" they aren't talking about capitalism but rather capitalism jerry rigged in their (who else's) favor or some outright socialistic hybrid of capitalism. Either way dealings with assholes who use this kind of phraseology are best avoided.

What a couple of colossal faggots.
 
Micah has always been a slack jawed yokel FROG, this was obvious when you were flogging his Batman as a diversity hire fan fiction as much as it is today. But at least he's consistent. CG has been a gate keeping movement at least as far back as the rise of the old EVS fan club known as War Campaign. The gate keeping was lauded and encouraged.

Liam and Micah, NPC's that they are, can only follow their programming. The CG they know and love has been a cancel culture club focused on eating it's own for 3 years now. These morons just want it to stay the way they like it.

God only knows how they managed to get the idea that CG is all about gate keeping. It's not like they've watched their heroes push multiple talented creators out in the name of loyalty or something.

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Amen.

Is that really you Edwin?


It's not hard to see where they got that impression.

Self awareness seems to have hit an all time low in Comics Gay.

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Someone in the comments of the Bit Chute reup hit the nail on the head telling the epic tail of Liam's time in CG.

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Lmao so which one of you in this thread is "Jim Tuner"?

Yes I am just a tourist though.

I've got a full plate with politics.

Is anyone keeping track of stats and sales now?

E.
No one cares about that crap anymore Edwin. It's all about the autistic slapfighting, public chimpouts and meltdowns now.
Micah is the master of the ad sizenum argument.



Okay,

  • Micah says putting up this revised "Leaving CG" speech was his idea because he felt it was important the fans "keep in mind that there's no anger from Liam towards you" (emphasis mine)
  • Liam wants to give thanks to his true friends, "Graded Point Five team, TUG, Yellowflash, RGE, Vinnie Tartamella, myself, Oz Art Creations, Michael Bancroft and White Cat Comics." Regarding the omission, I figure Oz is seen in Liam's mind as a CONQUEST COMICS employee like Mangerchan and Alex303 and not a friend.
  • The reasons for Liam's disavowal segues directly the refusal of the rest of CG to banish Nasser, a sentiment shared by Micah.
  • Micah then tries to segue how CG 's failure to gatekeep Nasser means it has become exactly what it once hated, but is unable to articulate how this is so and wades around in a pool of broken analogies and vague innuendo before settling on complaining that the toxic atmosphere in CG "behind the scenes" is equivalent to the toxic atmosphere in the mainstream industry with "one sided loyalties, manipulation tactics, threats, exploitation, blackmail". Micah immediately walks this back saying he took "poetic license" on his previous sentence.
  • Micah then digresses for several minutes on the subject of DM groups and whisper networks and malicious gossip within CG, something he knows first-hand but finds distasteful.
  • Micah follows with the argument that endorsement of someone's product is the same as endorsement of that person's behavior, saying sincerely "The fact of the matter is, we shouldn't promote anybody who does evil shit. Period point blank. Because if you do that you as the person promoting them are putting a stamp on everything that they're doing, and you know that."
  • Micah then says that the ultimate victory of CG's enemies is to make CG like their enemies, not unlike the plot from Orwell's Animal Farm. He thankfully assures us that he has no intention of becoming the next Mike S. Miller or Doug TenNapel, something that everyone was deeply concerned about.
  • Micah says Liam will be dropping the strikes on channels so "that's not even an issue anymore" and supports his decision to walk away from CG.
  • Micah vouches for Conquest Comics' commitment to ethical capitalism and going their own way outside of CG, and intriguingly denounces the spreading of unfounded rumors and smears against other Comicsgaters as well as youtubers elevating content over human decency .
  • He clarifies that "Comicsgate is not just a label, it is a belief system. You can claim to be Comicsgate, it doesn't make you Comicsgate", a belief system defined by the rich detail provided by Micah above.
  • Micah closes by saying Liam had his loyalty for when he had his back in the face of "people throwing him under the bus for random youtubers", an oblique reference to his beef with Raz0rfist and that he and Liam "will see you guys soon".
WTF I love Nasser now.

Micah and Liam are both a fucking joke. They think they can dictate who is and isn't allowed behind the pizza place.

Since our boy Troy aka "Mr. Biggons" was exposed there has been some talk about him.
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Some comic person is linking to this thread.
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Whats this about? Ro, we love EVS for joining in on the fun here. And this "game" ain't pretend faggot. Was it pretend when we doxed your butt buddies? Eat shit retard.
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I've got a full plate with politics.

Is anyone keeping track of stats and sales now?
I very much doubt it. Most people here rightly don't care. Those that do likely lack the aptitude for that sort of thing.
No one cares about that crap anymore Edwin. It's all about the autistic slapfighting, public chimpouts and meltdowns now.

Assuming you are Edwin Boyette, Comichron used the opportunity afforded by the collapse of the direct marked during COVID 19's Spring outbreak to stop reporting sales. The last time I checked was a month ago, where they had given up any pretense of giving exact numbers and instead are giving estimates that are frankly ridiculous with higher sales than before the pandemic...

I have commented in frustration at this. With the rump direct market going dark, the only data is broad. Essentially, we now get the same over broad 'books sales are growing' where they include manga and YA. We can glean this somewhat independently through best seller lists, but we don't know what precise numbers may be.

Basically, what was formerly the comic book industry has gone dark as it silently begins to fragment and shatter.

If you mean crowdfunding, than Noble Boudica is correct to point you to Smug.
 
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Assuming you are Edwin Boyette, Comichron used the opportunity afforded by the collapse of the direct marked during COVID 19's Spring outbreak to stop reporting sales. The last time I checked was a month ago, where they had given up any pretense of giving exact numbers and instead are giving estimates that are frankly ridiculous with higher sales than before the pandemic...

I have commented in frustration at this. With the rump direct market going dark, the only data is broad. Essentially, we now get the same over broad 'books sales are growing' where they include manga and YA. We can glean this somewhat independently through best seller lists, but we don't know what precise numbers may be.

Basically, what was formerly the comic book industry has gone dark as it silently begins to fragment and shatter.

If you mean crowdfunding, than Noble Boudica is correct to point you to Smug.
Thanks yes crowdfunding.
From a quick look it's the same market cap and the same normal distribution (statistical).
The direct market is likely a mess, two comic stores closed here in Hawaii and I imagine that pattern is repeating across America.

E.
 
Micah is the master of the ad sizenum argument.



Okay,

  • Micah says putting up this revised "Leaving CG" speech was his idea because he felt it was important the fans "keep in mind that there's no anger from Liam towards you" (emphasis mine)
  • Liam wants to give thanks to his true friends, "Graded Point Five team, TUG, Yellowflash, RGE, Vinnie Tartamella, myself, Oz Art Creations, Michael Bancroft and White Cat Comics." Regarding the omission, I figure Oz is seen in Liam's mind as a CONQUEST COMICS employee like Mangerchan and Alex303 and not a friend.
  • The reasons for Liam's disavowal segues directly the refusal of the rest of CG to banish Nasser, a sentiment shared by Micah.
  • Micah then tries to segue how CG 's failure to gatekeep Nasser means it has become exactly what it once hated, but is unable to articulate how this is so and wades around in a pool of broken analogies and vague innuendo before settling on complaining that the toxic atmosphere in CG "behind the scenes" is equivalent to the toxic atmosphere in the mainstream industry with "one sided loyalties, manipulation tactics, threats, exploitation, blackmail". Micah immediately walks this back saying he took "poetic license" on his previous sentence.
  • Micah then digresses for several minutes on the subject of DM groups and whisper networks and malicious gossip within CG, something he knows first-hand but finds distasteful.
  • Micah follows with the argument that endorsement of someone's product is the same as endorsement of that person's behavior, saying sincerely "The fact of the matter is, we shouldn't promote anybody who does evil shit. Period point blank. Because if you do that you as the person promoting them are putting a stamp on everything that they're doing, and you know that."
  • Micah then says that the ultimate victory of CG's enemies is to make CG like their enemies, not unlike the plot from Orwell's Animal Farm. He thankfully assures us that he has no intention of becoming the next Mike S. Miller or Doug TenNapel, something that everyone was deeply concerned about.
  • Micah says Liam will be dropping the strikes on channels so "that's not even an issue anymore" and supports his decision to walk away from CG.
  • Micah vouches for Conquest Comics' commitment to ethical capitalism and going their own way outside of CG, and intriguingly denounces the spreading of unfounded rumors and smears against other Comicsgaters as well as youtubers elevating content over human decency .
  • He clarifies that "Comicsgate is not just a label, it is a belief system. You can claim to be Comicsgate, it doesn't make you Comicsgate", a belief system defined by the rich detail provided by Micah above.
  • Micah closes by saying Liam had his loyalty for when he had his back in the face of "people throwing him under the bus for random youtubers", an oblique reference to his beef with Raz0rfist and that he and Liam "will see you guys soon".
Edit: After all this Micah tweets later he is proud to remain a member of CG, framing this as a stunning and brave move to deny victory to haters ike, uh "J-Money".


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damn Micah is taking L’s all over the place over this Nasser beef. He should have just shut the fuck up, minded his own business and concentrated on getting his already late book out to his backers.
 
The recent live and let live movement is probably the direction to go.
I did a quick scan of projects and it looks like CG is approximately the same size it was a year ago +-10%.
There is so much saturation in a fixed market that quality is going to have to be relatively high.

Creating new comic book fans particularly since the price of entry is high, is likely a problem with no easy answer.
Less people read, and comics have some stigma - I listened to a portion of a Nasser stream the other day and realized I don't recognize many of the people or the inside references.

The insularity of CG is probably a barrier to entry.

Given the small ecosystem, and the large percentage of Ethan fans, it makes business sense to be cordial, even if there are disagreements.
With the small market size there is going to be EVS, a tier under him that supports maybe a 12 creators and then rapid drop off.
Smaller creators under that are going to have hustle and generate their own market.
I didn't dig that deeply but it looks have Tim and Mark, and Sweetcast have created their own followings.

With the comic book companies imploding much of the early intent is irrelevant. in retrospect much of the early intent was unachievable.
DC and Marvel are subsidiaries of large corporations, there isn't enough leverage from a few thousand fans to shift them in any meaningful sense.

In that context making comic books and merchandise, and creating video content for those that enjoy it is a direct way to satisfy a small market.

I backed Nasser's project, and am backing Mike's Lonestar, that's probably about the extent of my participation.
I spent the last 8 months elbow deep in politics and I don't think I've read more than two comic books in the last 6 months.

From a distance most of it looks goofy.

E.
Welcome back to the thread Edwin.
Is that really you Edwin?
Edwin originally joined the Farms around July of 2019, the same time @FROG did. He never got verified but I believe it to be him. To quote the late and great LateNightComics.
No one would pretend to be Edwin. It's him.
Someone in the comments of the Bit Chute reup hit the nail on the head telling the epic tail of Liam's time in CG.

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That's Jim Tuner, the @Mister Dongs of Youtube comments. His write ups and insights are some of the more valuable of Youtube comments and his knowledge of deep lore and CG history rivals even the farms.

Jim, I know you lurk the Comicsgate thread, have you ever considered joining us? I'd recommend making a throwaway email account at www.protonmail.com which is attached only to your Kiwifarms account and obtaining a VPN for extra safety. Your posts are wasted in Youtube comment sections and it would be a pleasure to have you share them here with us.
 
The recent live and let live movement is probably the direction to go.
I did a quick scan of projects and it looks like CG is approximately the same size it was a year ago +-10%.
There is so much saturation in a fixed market that quality is going to have to be relatively high.

Creating new comic book fans particularly since the price of entry is high, is likely a problem with no easy answer.
Less people read, and comics have some stigma - I listened to a portion of a Nasser stream the other day and realized I don't recognize many of the people or the inside references.

The insularity of CG is probably a barrier to entry.

Given the small ecosystem, and the large percentage of Ethan fans, it makes business sense to be cordial, even if there are disagreements.
With the small market size there is going to be EVS, a tier under him that supports maybe a 12 creators and then rapid drop off.
Smaller creators under that are going to have hustle and generate their own market.
I didn't dig that deeply but it looks have Tim and Mark, and Sweetcast have created their own followings.

With the comic book companies imploding much of the early intent is irrelevant. in retrospect much of the early intent was unachievable.
DC and Marvel are subsidiaries of large corporations, there isn't enough leverage from a few thousand fans to shift them in any meaningful sense.

In that context making comic books and merchandise, and creating video content for those that enjoy it is a direct way to satisfy a small market.

I backed Nasser's project, and am backing Mike's Lonestar, that's probably about the extent of my participation.
I spent the last 8 months elbow deep in politics and I don't think I've read more than two comic books in the last 6 months.

From a distance most of it looks goofy.

E.
I can verify this is the real Edwin Boyette.

Welcome Edwin. Good analysis. Aloha, brother.
 
I asked Liam to please remove the strikes and to stop trying to issue strikes to YouTube channels.

He told me I could only be asking him that because I don't know the whole story or don't care. And both of those things are definitely true.
He then told me that in order to ask him to remove the strikes, I must believe that the "heinous shit" Nasser and Co did to Liam were justifiable.

I told him that it wasn't fair to remove someone's livelihood out of anger.

He told me that he's not doing this out of anger, and that nobody is listening to him about what is actually going on.

I asked him why he was issuing fake copyright strikes.

He advised me that they weren't fake, and he would like to sit down with me for a one on one discussion to tell me everything. He isn't interested in handling this publicly. It will be handled in a courtroom.

I told him he didn't see to be handling anything in a courtroom. He was simply administering punishments to his critics. I told him I wouldn't discuss anything with him until he removed all strikes, and if he didn't do so, he would become nonexistent to me.

He wrote me a long monologue about me choosing to "throw him under the bus" and how he only wants to be my friend and support me. He said he is acting under the advisement of the youTube partner program and his attorney, and that Nasser is under review, has been for months, and will lose his channel like SWC did.

In fact, strangely, he told me that Nasser's channel is already gone, and he will not be permitted to stream or appear on the platform for his involvement in harassment, bullying and defamation. He underscored this by telling me that even if he removed the strikes, "he is done." Nasser is a "cruel sociopath, a stalker, a criminal and a thief."

He went on to bemoan my not defending him in the past, and blamed me for "pushing him to these extremes."

He closed out by promising not to contact me again, asking me to pray about it, and then contact him to talk it out when I'm ready. "Two mates."
Took me awhile to catch up to the thread, but would you be opposed to the idea of sharing these screenshots of the conversation? I don't doubt this conversation happened, but for official Kiwi records, we'd like for history to be preserved as much as possible to prevent revisionist history and gaslighting attempts. Or as Liam would put it, "misconstruing the facts".

I have no doubt that he'll come swinging at you when he's ready. He's been making snide remarks that obviously refers to you for a while now already. Might as well return the favor.
 
So while this was all going on, the future of comic book crowdfunding was debated on an obscure livestream with 130 views at the time of this writing. Neither are involved with Comicsgate.

COMIC BOOK NEWS WITH DAN SHAHIN - ROSS RICHIE - BOOM! STUDIOS - 12/03/20


The two players for those unfamiliar.
  • Ross Richie, publisher of Boom Studios and recordholder for highest grossing comic book crowdfund at $1,477,202, BRZRKR. Boom's unrivaled success (barring Rekt Planet) has set off all kinds of online outrage throughout the impoverished comic book industry, professionals on twitter outraged that they're paying "talent" $20-$60 a page at times while BRZRKR is raking in millions. Kickstarter campaign runners were angered that a publisher would turn to crowdfunding which is the "rightful domain" of independent creators. Richie has been making inroads with these communities, distributing wealth in appeasement to these squeaky wheels, which in turn outraged people like Richard C Meyer who reacted to the idea of acknowledging a community not unlike how a vampire reacts to the sight of a cross.
  • Dan Shahin, host of "Comic Book News with Dan Shahin", shop owner and sufferer from crippling autism. In many ways a perfect representative of the retailer facet of the comic book industry. Dan and his relatively small channel have been host to a who's who of legends and pivotal figures within the industry like founder of Diamond Distribution Steve Geppi, top authorities on comic sales metrics like Brian Hibbs and Comichron along with former DC EiC Dan Didio, all in his unmoderated chat. He also lends a rare insight into the culture among comic book shop owners themselves, often overshadowed by the celebrity of creators and the properties of major publishers. He also deeply loathes Comicsgate, sliding in jabs wherever he can, once putting his panel of industry publishers to a crashing halt so he could shout down a bitter Richard C. Meyer yelling from the chat that he's just as much a publisher as anyone on the channel. Shahin's feud with Frog culminating in an interview where Shahin interrogated Frog on the question of whether he was a vicious, amoral grifter/cult leader, to which Frog defended himself mostly by dressing like a clown and dancing a jolly jig over the bones of his enemies to the cheering of his fans.
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The interview starts off genially enough, Ross Richie possessing the practiced charisma of a hollywood networker and business leader along with a deep knowledge of comics that many interviewers and fans would be disarmed by. It manages to stave off Dan Shahin for about three minutes before he barrels headfirst into acknowledging the elephant in the room - should Boom Studios and their massive success in marketing their product through Kickstarter be taken as the writing on the wall for comic book shop owners like Shahin? Have Boom Studios "forgotten their roots" with the retailing partners who have stuck with them through thick and thin since their creation? Shahin's unsolicited defense of the direct market, that it is a "proving ground" for IPs before they hit mass market, does not hold out as there is seemingly no correlation with properties like Millarworld or Mags Vissagio's Vagrant Queen being entered into the mass market and their success in the direct market, could be summarized generously as "extremely shit".

Richie, sensing he has his work cut out for him, immediately starts establishing a repoire with his interviewer, noting the issue of Creepy in Dan Shahin's background and how he loved the obscure comics DC were making in the 70s where they'd mix sports stories with horror or science fiction. Shahin sighs and lauds the recent surge of diversity of genre coming in from Boom and Image. Richie concurs with Shahin's assessment, noting a widening of genres that has taken place over the past 10-15 years among all publishers. Shahin continues down this line of questioning, asking if this trend will continue in the face of capeshit "one genre, we know what that genre is" and asks if Richie feels the same.

It's now at 7 minutes in that Richie feels he can deliver his actual answer, which is that while he is a personally a huge fan of superhero comics with an extensive collection, he falls back onto a conversation he had with Paul Levitz, publisher of DC comics for nearly thirty years, ten years ago on the subject of Raina Telgameier, the highest selling comic creator in the United States for over a decade. Levitz's line of thinking, according to Ross Richie, was that Reina Telgameier's Drama sold one million copies versus that the total number of direct market customers, which in 2010 amounted to 500,000. Aggregating those two numbers together ten years ago, Levitz and DC market research concluded that two-thirds of customers purchasing comics had to have been junior high school girls. And while Richie may be fond of the direct market along with Marvel and DC, this trend is no longer just Scholastic; the children's graphic novels boom is not just one of the biggest growth markets in comics publishing but publishing period. Publishing houses like Simon and Schuster have noted this and hopping on board without even bothering with the small pond that is dealing comics through local comic book shops using the direct market.

Richie doesn't outright say it, but the obvious conclusion when presented with such data that DC continuing to cater to its narrow niche of genre, demographic and distribution was unjustifiable from a corporate perspective. It's also a direct affirmation of the trends of "soy", "YA comics" and infantilization of the comic genre that Comicsgate was founded in reaction to, and insight into the decision making process that led to a decision being made ten years ago. It's at this point that CG creator of Johnny Phantasm, Patrick Thomas Parnell wanders into the chat to shitpost for a bit before being banned by jannies like common Comicsgate trash.

This blunt answer given on how traditional comic publishers are fighting an uphill battle with Scholastic and now Simon and Schuster for the majority of the comic buying audience while DC and Marvel try and fail to change with the times like a dying dinosaur (Comicsgate fighting them doggedly every step of the way), Richie makes relative small talk for the next half hour going over his professional biography, hot projects being made by Boom Studios and balancing profits vs practices exploitative against the retailer like incentivized variant covers. All his answers are coached towards the perspective and priority of the retailer, which pleases Shahin.

It's at the 51 minute market where Shahin uses this to segue into Boom's crowdfunding, describing the direct market as "the original crowdfunding" with the ability to pre-order. Richie clarifies that Boom Studios is not using Kickstarter to crowdfund - either way the series is funded - and proceeds to coach Boom's crowdfunding business model in terms of how it's geared towards appeasements, gestures and the benefit of the direct market retailer like Dan Shahin. As Richie presents it, Kickstarter is the optimal, one-click platform to bring new customers and Keanu fans into buying their first comic, but that Kickstarter backers are taking a backseat to the trusted partners in the direct retailers. He then transitions seamlessly into describing the three ways that BRZRKR can be distributed through the direct market system before being shipped to kickstarter backers. First is individual issue soliciting to retailers. Second is the collected four-issue arcs sent to comic shops. Third it goes through the book trade through Simon and Schuster just like everything else. And only then it arrives to the kickstarter backers. Kind of like Mitch Breitweiser, except up front about it. Shahin is elated to hear it, saying that what retailers are asking for "is just a chance to sell it, give us a chance to sell this as trusted partners and you'll see. Besides, guys into comic book crowdfunding don't seem too concerned with deadlines anyway".

Richie continues his ingratiation to Shahin's priorities by mentioning how backers for BRZRKR will be paying $50 for all three issues (with 3 separate shipping costs added) while being sold at comic shops for $45, a form of price control in favor of the retailer while bringing in new customers who have never read a comic book before. Shahin is again delighted. Richie continues to sweeten the pot for retailers by saying that all these new backers registered on the BRZRKR kickstarter mailing list will be blasted an e-mail notification each time a BRZRKR periodical hits the shelves in LCSs.

Appeased by this, Shahin spends the rest of the interview discusses with Ross Richie and myself from the chat mostly gushing over The Punisher Armory, a brilliant 90s miniseries made by another member of the chat.




So what is to made from all this? I'd say that Boom Studios and Ross Richie are offering a powerful competing vision for the future of crowdfunding versus Comicsgate and Richie's gladhanding ways of handily and efficiently appeasing gatekeepers in Kickstarter and grognards like Dan Shahin is an advantage CG simply does not enjoy. Richie's first foray into crowdfunding turned into the biggest comic book crowdfund to date; who knows what his second attempt will amount to, or how many people are going to be following his example, in his wake versus Frog's.
 
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So while this was all going on, the future of comic book crowdfunding was debated on an obscure livestream with 130 views at the time of this writing. Neither are involved with Comicsgate.

COMIC BOOK NEWS WITH DAN SHAHIN - ROSS RICHIE - BOOM! STUDIOS - 12/03/20


The two players for those unfamiliar.
  • Ross Richie, publisher of Boom Studios and recordholder for highest grossing comic book crowdfund at $1,477,202, BRZRKR. Boom's unrivaled success (barring Rekt Planet) has set off all kinds of online outrage throughout the impoverished comic book industry, professionals on twitter outraged that they're paying "talent" $20-$60 a page at times while BRZRKR is raking in millions. Kickstarter campaign runners were angered that a publisher would turn to crowdfunding which is the "rightful domain" of independent creators. Richie has been making inroads with these communities, distributing wealth in appeasement to these squeaky wheels, which in turn outraged people like Richard C Meyer who reacted to the idea of acknowledging a community not unlike how a vampire reacts to the sight of a cross.
  • Dan Shahin, host of "Comic Book News with Dan Shahin", shop owner and sufferer from crippling autism. In many ways a perfect representative of the retailer facet of the comic book industry. Dan and his relatively small channel have been host to a who's who of legends and pivotal figures within the industry like founder of Diamond Distribution Steve Geppi, top authorities on comic sales metrics like Brian Hibbs and Comichron along with former DC EiC Dan Didio, all in his unmoderated chat. He also lends a rare insight into the culture among comic book shop owners themselves, often overshadowed by the celebrity of creators and the properties of major publishers. He also deeply loathes Comicsgate, sliding in jabs wherever he can, once putting his panel of industry publishers to a crashing halt so he could shout down a bitter Richard C. Meyer yelling from the chat that he's just as much a publisher as anyone on the channel. Shahin's feud with Frog culminating in an interview where Shahin interrogated Frog on the question of whether he was a vicious, amoral grifter/cult leader, to which Frog defended himself mostly by dressing like a clown and dancing a jolly jig over the bones of his enemies to the cheering of his fans.
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The interview starts off genially enough, Ross Richie possessing the practiced charisma of a hollywood networker and business leader along with a deep knowledge of comics that many interviewers and fans would be disarmed by. It manages to stave off Dan Shahin for about three minutes before he barrels headfirst into acknowledging the elephant in the room - should Boom Studios and their massive success in marketing their product through Kickstarter be taken as the writing on the wall for comic book shop owners like Shahin? Have Boom Studios "forgotten their roots" with the retailing partners who have stuck with them through thick and thin since their creation? Shahin's unsolicited defense of the direct market, that it is a "proving ground" for IPs before they hit mass market, does not hold out as there is seemingly no correlation with properties like Millarworld or Mags Vissagio's Vagrant Queen being entered into the mass market and their success in the direct market, could be summarized generously as "extremely shit".

Richie, sensing he has his work cut out for him, immediately starts establishing a repoire with his interviewer, noting the issue of Creepy in Dan Shahin's background and how he loved the obscure comics DC were making in the 70s where they'd mix sports stories with horror or science fiction. Shahin sighs and lauds the recent surge of diversity of genre coming in from Boom and Image. Richie concurs with Shahin's assessment, noting a widening of genres that has taken place over the past 10-15 years among all publishers. Shahin continues down this line of questioning, asking if this trend will continue in the face of capeshit "one genre, we know what that genre is" and asks if Richie feels the same.

It's now at 7 minutes in that Richie feels he can deliver his actual answer, which is that while he is a personally a huge fan of superhero comics with an extensive collection, he falls back onto a conversation he had with Paul Levitz, publisher of DC comics for nearly thirty years, ten years ago on the subject of Raina Telgameier, the highest selling comic creator in the United States for over a decade. Levitz's line of thinking, according to Ross Richie, was that Reina Telgameier's Drama sold one million copies versus that the total number of direct market customers, which in 2010 amounted to 500,000. Aggregating those two numbers together ten years ago, Levitz and DC market research concluded that two-thirds of customers purchasing comics had to have been junior high school girls. And while Richie may be fond of the direct market along with Marvel and DC, this trend is no longer just Scholastic; the children's graphic novels boom is not just one of the biggest growth markets in comics publishing but publishing period. Publishing houses like Simon and Schuster have noted this and hopping on board without even bothering with the small pond that is dealing comics through local comic book shops using the direct market.

Richie doesn't outright say it, but the obvious conclusion when presented with such data that DC continuing to cater to its narrow niche of genre, demographic and distribution was unjustifiable from a corporate perspective. It's also a direct affirmation of the trends of "soy", "YA comics" and infantilization of the comic genre that Comicsgate was founded in reaction to, and insight into the decision making process that led to a decision being made ten years ago. It's at this point that CG creator of Johnny Phantasm, Patrick Thomas Parnell wanders into the chat to shitpost for a bit before being banned by jannies like common Comicsgate trash.

This blunt answer given on how traditional comic publishers are fighting an uphill battle with Scholastic and now Simon and Schuster for the majority of the comic buying audience while DC and Marvel try and fail to change with the times like a dying dinosaur (Comicsgate fighting them doggedly every step of the way), Richie makes relative small talk for the next half hour going over his professional biography, hot projects being made by Boom Studios and balancing profits vs practices exploitative against the retailer like incentivized variant covers. All his answers are coached towards the perspective and priority of the retailer, which pleases Shahin.

It's at the 51 minute market where Shahin uses this to segue into Boom's crowdfunding, describing the direct market as "the original crowdfunding" with the ability to pre-order. Richie clarifies that Boom Studios is not using Kickstarter to crowdfund - either way the series is funded - and proceeds to coach Boom's crowdfunding business model in terms of how it's geared towards appeasements, gestures and the benefit of the direct market retailer like Dan Shahin. As Richie presents it, Kickstarter is the optimal, one-click platform to bring new customers and Keanu fans into buying their first comic, but that Kickstarter backers are taking a backseat to the trusted partners in the direct retailers. He then transitions seamlessly into describing the three ways that BRZRKR can be distributed through the direct market system before being shipped to kickstarter backers. First is individual issue soliciting to retailers. Second is the collected four-issue arcs sent to comic shops. Third it goes through the book trade through Simon and Schuster just like everything else. And only then it arrives to the kickstarter backers. Kind of like Mitch Breitweiser, except up front about it. Shahin is elated to hear it, saying that what retailers are asking for "is just a chance to sell it, give us a chance to sell this as trusted partners and you'll see. Besides, guys into comic book crowdfunding don't seem too concerned with deadlines anyway".

Richie continues his ingratiation to Shahin's priorities by mentioning how backers for BRZRKR will be paying $50 for all three issues (with 3 separate shipping costs added) while being sold at comic shops for $45, a form of price control in favor of the retailer while bringing in new customers who have never read a comic book before. Shahin is again delighted. Richie continues to sweeten the pot for retailers by saying that all these new backers registered on the BRZRKR kickstarter mailing list will be blasted an e-mail notification each time a BRZRKR periodical hits the shelves in LCSs.

Appeased by this, Shahin spends the rest of the interview discusses with Ross Richie and myself from the chat mostly gushing over The Punisher Armory, a brilliant 90s miniseries made by another member of the chat.




So what is to made from all this? I'd say that Boom Studios and Ross Richie are offering a powerful competing vision for the future of crowdfunding versus Comicsgate and Richie's gladhanding ways of handily and efficiently appeasing gatekeepers in Kickstarter and grognards like Dan Shahin is an advantage CG simply does not enjoy. Richie's first foray into crowdfunding turned into the biggest comic book crowdfund to date; who knows what his second attempt will amount to, or how many people are going to be following his example, in his wake versus Frog's.

Richard only got what he got because of Keanu’s involvement in the book. How often is he going to be able to pull that trick out of his hat?
 
The Red Rooster Indiegogo updated 2 weeks ago...& nobody noticed:Screenshot_2020-12-03-14-54-36-1.png
And Mitch himself announced this afternoon that he's finally almost done drawing it:
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But never fear! Allegiance Arts has managed to fuck up again. Their third issues--originally due out in September.....then November--are now delayed until.....next February:
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I just want Bass Reeves for the David Williams art. This bullshit is Donal levels of excuse-making stupidity.
 
The Red Rooster Indiegogo updated 2 weeks ago...& nobody noticed:View attachment 1764752
And Mitch himself announced this afternoon that he's finally almost done drawing it:
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But never fear! Allegiance Arts has managed to fuck up again. Their third issues--originally due out in September.....then November--are now delayed until.....next February:
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I just want Bass Reeves for the David Williams art. This bullshit is Donal levels of excuse-making stupidity.

I like Bass Reeves as well. I also like Nora’s Saga. The Futurist kinda sucks so I will not be getting a third issue of that.

Also, Comic Book Hut made a video a week ago about Mitch being almost done with Red Rooster.
 
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And Mitch himself announced this afternoon that he's finally almost done drawing it:
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But never fear! Allegiance Arts has managed to fuck up again. Their third issues--originally due out in September.....then November--are now delayed until.....next February:
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I just want Bass Reeves for the David Williams art. This bullshit is Donal levels of excuse-making stupidity.

I guess it's cool that Walmart is still putting up with him despite the very overdue product, but maybe they're tied in due to a contract.

Fucking coast-to-coast Walmarts carrying your product, man. What a blown opportunity. I guess the best way you can put it is he just bit off more than he could chew.
 
I guess the best way you can put it is he just bit off more than he could chew.

It's my understanding that Mitch's ego got in the way. He thinks of himself like some kind of 'captain of industry' with micro managing trust issues. Because he won't hire or trust anyone else to take on the day to day business of his venture he's doing both and obviously letting the "actually making comics" part of the equation go undone.

He's fucking dumber than a rock. It's a waste of fans good will and a waste of a huge opportunity.

And he's managed to do it all in a way that will get him pretty much no sympathy from any one who's seen him squander it all.
 
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