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Fucking stupid, even disregarding the times where they aren't playing an instrument, the holes are so big that unfiltered air will still reach their faces and go up their noses. The whole thing looks stupid, defeats its own purpose, and would barely work in the best case scenario.

I feel sorry for these musicians having to put up with that nonsense (assuming they didn't come up with the idea...).
 
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The double-standard is the most ridiculous part. People were protesting George Floyd's death, and the media excused that and said that it wasn't spreading COVID-19, even though you had huge crowds of people who weren't practicing social distancing at all. And then, more recently, you have that bar in NYC, and the protests in front of it due to the closure, and the media is painting the protests in a negative light.


This is mass psychological torture and gaslighting. At first, I was in favor of lockdowns because I thought they might put forth a decent effort into contact-tracing and actually eliminating the spread, like Taiwan, Vietnam, and New Zealand, but they only did partial lockdowns, which are as good as having no lockdowns at all. They let it go completely out of control. Now, they're continuing to torture people with this unending lockdown bullshit, not for public health purposes, but for gaslighting, intimidation, and economic and political sabotage. Enough is enough.

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It's time to start naming the people responsible for this misery. They have betrayed the public's trust long enough.
 
At first, I was in favor of lockdowns because I thought they might put forth a decent effort into contact-tracing and actually eliminating the spread, like Taiwan, Vietnam, and New Zealand, but they only did partial lockdowns, which are as good as having no lockdowns at all. They let it go completely out of control. Now, they're continuing to torture people with this unending lockdown bullshit, not for public health purposes, but for gaslighting, intimidation, and economic and political sabotage. Enough is enough.


It's time to start naming the people responsible for this misery. They have betrayed the public's trust long enough.


Dude, at first you were completely losing your utter fucking shit, saying it was going to kill us all. You were buying in, hard, to the utter mass hysteria, perpetuating it, even. And the people who saw shit like that are still clinging to it now.


It's almost like those of us who took a sensible, rational approach to it at the start are suffering because at the outbreak, a loud minority swallowed the bullshit and lies that were being spoon-fed to the masses. And now, those of us who were not losing our shit and believing the lies and propaganda have been vindicated (old people, people in poor health and fat people are who this goes for, yes, some people get knocked flat with it but this can happen with any viral infection, it's not news to anyone) and the people clinging hardest to the lies are the ones actively stopping life getting back to normal, at best, at worst, they're advocating for a highly experimental, improperly tested and poorly proven vaccine to be forced on people who are otherwise healthy.




You were part of the problem so perhaps reflect on that. Thanks a bundle.


Edited to say: I get it. You read some text books. Well done and good for you. You are not the only person on here who knows anything about microbiology, immunology, virology and epidemiology. But honestly? I'd take the opinions of those people over yours because those people weren't flagellating themselves into a frenzy, guzzling down the "PILES OF BODIES!!!!!!!!!! IN THE STREEEETS!!!!!!!! MASS GRAVES!!!!!!!! WES ALLLLLLL GONNNNNNNNAAAAAA DIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE" bullshit CNN were putting out.

I'm sorry you fell for it because by fucking christ, so many who did are still clinging to the delusion and making it nigh on impossible to get back to actual normal life.

People have suffered, families torn asunder, people have killed themselves because of retards like you. Well done pal.

Further edit: some of us work in or have worked in, healthcare. I can guarantee if at the start I had gone onto your "THIS IS EVERYTHING BUT THE KITCHEN SINK!!!!" Sperg fest and told you what we were seeing, how it contradicted what you were saying you'd have lost it. Someone who goes from one extreme to the other when the prevailing wind or sentiment changes or the original narrative is prove wrong? Aye. Naw. Thanks but no.
 
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Dude, at first you were completely losing your utter fucking shit, saying it was going to kill us all. You were buying in, hard, to the utter mass hysteria, perpetuating it, even. And the people who saw shit like that are still clinging to it now.


It's almost like those of us who took a sensible, rational approach to it at the start are suffering because at the outbreak, a loud minority swallowed the bullshit and lies that were being spoon-fed to the masses. And now, those of us who were not losing our shit and believing the lies and propaganda have been vindicated (old people, people in poor health and fat people are who this goes for, yes, some people get knocked flat with it but this can happen with any viral infection, it's not news to anyone) and the people clinging hardest to the lies are the ones actively stopping life getting back to normal, at best, at worst, they're advocating for a highly experimental, improperly tested and poorly proven vaccine to be forced on people who are otherwise healthy.




You were part of the problem so perhaps reflect on that. Thanks a bundle.

What is someone supposed to believe, when they see apocalyptic scenes like this?






How are we supposed to react when epidemiologists are telling us, outright, that COVID-19 will inevitably and rapidly kill 2.2 million people in the US if no action is taken, and our politicians are taking this information at face value?




And then the very same guy who's telling us we're all going to die is out violating quarantine so he can fuck married women?



And his computer model was based on shitcode and useless anyway?




This pandemic has left behind a paper trail of bad science, bad policy, mismanagement, and bureaucrats intentionally spreading mass panic, all of it justified by relentless gaslighting by the lying media. If people were smart, they'd be archiving everything. Every goddamn thing. Every newspaper clipping. Everything.

They're going to try and bury this. You can't let anything slip through the cracks. Every video, every public statement, everything must be gathered and placed under enhanced scrutiny.
 

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Changing your mind based on evidence is a bad thing now?
I agree its not, but its hilarious someone who was REEEEEEEEEing into oblivion has swung so far and hard to the other side. If @DrainTodger could just persuade all the other spastic calling for lockdown for ever and freedom passes they're wrong, that would be awesome.

And in all fairness, their willingness to admit they were wrong is actually filling admirable. But it highlights why it's so important to just wait a beat on, well everything. Its genuinely heart warming to see someone admit they done good though, and I mean that in the nicest way

Edited to say: changing your mind on evidence is a good thing. Losing your shit over none or shaky though? Not such a good thing.
 
Dude, at first you were completely losing your utter fucking shit, saying it was going to kill us all. You were buying in, hard, to the utter mass hysteria, perpetuating it, even. And the people who saw shit like that are still clinging to it now.


It's almost like those of us who took a sensible, rational approach to it at the start are suffering because at the outbreak, a loud minority swallowed the bullshit and lies that were being spoon-fed to the masses. And now, those of us who were not losing our shit and believing the lies and propaganda have been vindicated (old people, people in poor health and fat people are who this goes for, yes, some people get knocked flat with it but this can happen with any viral infection, it's not news to anyone) and the people clinging hardest to the lies are the ones actively stopping life getting back to normal, at best, at worst, they're advocating for a highly experimental, improperly tested and poorly proven vaccine to be forced on people who are otherwise healthy.




You were part of the problem so perhaps reflect on that. Thanks a bundle.


Edited to say: I get it. You read some text books. Well done and good for you. You are not the only person on here who knows anything about microbiology, immunology, virology and epidemiology. But honestly? I'd take the opinions of those people over yours because those people weren't flagellating themselves into a frenzy, guzzling down the "PILES OF BODIES!!!!!!!!!! IN THE STREEEETS!!!!!!!! MASS GRAVES!!!!!!!! WES ALLLLLLL GONNNNNNNNAAAAAA DIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE" bullshit CNN were putting out.

I'm sorry you fell for it because by fucking christ, so many who did are still clinging to the delusion and making it nigh on impossible to get back to actual normal life.

People have suffered, families torn asunder, people have killed themselves because of retards like you. Well done pal.

Further edit: some of us work in or have worked in, healthcare. I can guarantee if at the start I had gone onto your "THIS IS EVERYTHING BUT THE KITCHEN SINK!!!!" Sperg fest and told you what we were seeing, how it contradicted what you were saying you'd have lost it. Someone who goes from one extreme to the other when the prevailing wind or sentiment changes or the original narrative is prove wrong? Aye. Naw. Thanks but no.
I don't blame him since i held that mentality back in march till those protests were happening during the summer.
 
What is someone supposed to believe, when they see apocalyptic scenes like this?





Well, they should be smart enough to know that images and videos are often presented out-of-context manners, especially on the internet. If you don't speak Chinese and/or you weren't there, every one of those videos has no real context outside of "some guy on the internet told me this was going on". (See also: Pictures of soft-serve ice cream and even screenshots from Teletubbies that got passed around as images of "what chicken nuggets are made of".)

And even if they were exactly what they're presented as, people should also know better than to assume that the CCP normally reacts to things in a rational, even-handed manner and not like a crazed dictatorship that's more concerned with shallow reputation than anything else.

How are we supposed to react when epidemiologists are telling us, outright, that COVID-19 will inevitably and rapidly kill 2.2 million people in the US if no action is taken, and our politicians are taking this information at face value?
They also should have remembered the past 3-4 times in the last two decades that epidemiologists have sperged about widespread death and destruction over things that turned out to be a nothingburger. (Bird flu and swine flu, I'm looking at you.)

But they didn't do any of that, and now we're here.

That said, I do agree this shit needs to be archived and scrutinized. But in reality, I doubt it will do any good because people in power never face consequences of their actions, many people will believe whatever they hear, and nobody ever learns.
 
Edited to say: I get it. You read some text books. Well done and good for you. You are not the only person on here who knows anything about microbiology, immunology, virology and epidemiology. But honestly? I'd take the opinions of those people over yours because those people weren't flagellating themselves into a frenzy, guzzling down the "PILES OF BODIES!!!!!!!!!! IN THE STREEEETS!!!!!!!! MASS GRAVES!!!!!!!! WES ALLLLLLL GONNNNNNNNAAAAAA DIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE" bullshit CNN were putting out.
I told people that COVID-19 attacks the lining of blood vessels, that it can cause blood clots, strokes, heart attacks, seizures, et cetera. That's what published papers are saying. That's what the media has been saying the entire time.

I have watched people say, oh, that person there died of a stroke, not COVID-19, not even realizing that COVID-19 causes intense coagulopathy and strokes.

I have spoken face-to-face with a nurse who has a biology degree, and he told me that one patient he saw had blood clotting so severe, both of her legs needed to be amputated from the knees down.

If COVID-19 cannot do any of those things, then we have a real problem on our hands, because we just watched the media and dozens of reputable journals publish huge reams of false information with intent to spread panic and alarmism.







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So which is it? Can COVID-19 cause a multi-organ inflammatory syndrome that causes several vital organs in the body to shit themselves, or are the media and scientists all flagrantly lying?

Early papers suggested that these effects were not rare at all. There were papers out of China that said that as many as 36% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients had neurological symptoms like dizziness, delirium, and brain fog to varying degrees.



There were brain organoid models where scientists insisted that SARS-CoV-2 was seriously neurotropic.



There are papers out there, right now (like this one published the 30th of last month), that show that the virus invades the brain through the nose, and they have the immunofluorescence stains to prove it.



When people say COVID-19 is a nothingburger, they are asking us to disregard hundreds upon hundreds of peer-reviewed papers. They're asking us to disregard some frankly rather scary articles written by MDs and PhDs.



The Great Invader: How COVID Attacks Every Organ​

April 23, 2020 -- We have underestimated and misunderstood COVID-19 since it first appeared.
And as we learn more, it’s clear that COVID-19 can be more than just a respiratory disease. It’s joined the ranks of other “great imitators” -- diseases that can look like almost any condition.


It can be a gastrointestinal disease causing only diarrhea and abdominal pain. It can cause symptoms that may be confused with a cold or the flu. It can cause pinkeye, a runny nose, loss of taste and smell, muscle aches, fatigue, diarrhea, loss of appetite, nausea and vomiting, whole-body rashes, and areas of swelling and redness in just a few spots.
In a more severe disease, doctors have also reported people having heart rhythm problems, heart failure, kidney damage, confusion, headaches, seizures, brain inflammation, Guillain-Barre syndrome, and fainting spells, along with new sugar control problems, blood clots throughout the body, and severe immune system responses.
It’s not just a fever and coughing, leading to shortness of breath, like everyone thought at first.
Some people may have lingering effects for months afterward.
Some people can have no symptoms at all.
This makes it incredibly difficult to diagnose and even harder to treat.
“This is a disease progression we have never seen for any infection that I can think of, and I’ve been doing this for a couple of decades,” says Joseph Vinetz, MD, an infectious disease specialist at Yale School of Medicine.

How It Invades​

When viral particles land in our eyes, nose, or mouth, “spike proteins” on the virus connect with a specific receptor, known as ACE2, on the surface of our cells, allowing entry. ACE2 receptors make a great target because they are found in organs throughout our bodies. Once the virus enters, it turns the cell into a factory, making millions and millions of copies of itself -- which can then be breathed or coughed out to infect others.
A lot of what we know about the infectious capability of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, closely parallels what we learned about the coronavirus that caused SARS. What makes COVID-19 uniquely dangerous is that unlike SARS, this virus is much more effective at binding to ACE2 receptors, both in the upper respiratory tract and lower down, in the lungs --- making it as easy to transmit as a cold and as damaging to the lungs as SARS.
We have also learned from SARS that iIn order to evade early detection, the coronavirus uses multiple tools to prevent the infected cells from calling out for help. The virus snips off distress signal proteins that cells make when they are under attack. It also destroys antiviral commands inside the infected cell. This gives the virus much more time to make copies of itself and infect surrounding areas before it is identified as an invader. This is part of the reason why the virus spreads before immune responses, like fever, begin.

Direct Attack​

Many with mild or no symptoms are able to fend off the virus before it gets worse. These people may have symptoms only in the upper airway, at the site where they were first infected. But when someone’s body can’t destroy the virus at its entry point, viral particles march deeper into the body. The virus seems to take a few paths from there, either setting up camp in the lungs, fighting its way into the digestive tract, or doing some combination of both.
“There’s clearly a respiratory syndrome, and that’s why people end up in the hospital. Some people get a gastrointestinal illness with diarrhea, maybe some abdominal pain, which may or may not be associated with a respiratory illness,” says Vinetz.

Once the virus is deeply embedded in the body, it begins to cause more severe disease. This is where direct attack on other organs that have ACE2 receptors can occur, including heart muscle, kidneys, blood vessels, the liver, and potentially the central nervous system. This may be one reason for the vast array of symptoms COVID-19 can cause. It’s still not clear exactly how the virus gets around inside the body, Scientists are still trying to figure out if the virus travels to different organs through blood or through cells that line blood vessels.
“It's highly unlikely that any other organs can be affected through direct invasion without severe disease,” Vinetz adds.
The brain and nerves may also fall prey to direct attack. Kenneth Tyler, MD, chair of the Department of Neurology at the University of Colorado School of Medicine, cautions that direct central nervous system (CNS) attack is still being worked out at this time. There are many routes a virus could take to invade the CNS. One somewhat disputed view is that the loss of smell could indicate that the nerve responsible for smell is infected and can carry the virus into the CNS, including the brain. “This can be shown to occur in experimental models with non-human coronaviruses and is a potential route of invasion for some other viruses. However, there is no evidence to date establishing that this actually occurs with SARS-CoV-2."
Early findings, including those from autopsy and biopsy reports, show that viral particles can be found not only in the nasal passages and throat, but also in tears, stool, semen, the kidneys, liver, pancreas, GI tract, and heart. One case report found evidence of viral particles in the fluid around the brain in a patient with meningitis.

Collateral Damage That Kills​

Severe damage to the lungs can cause acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) may be one trigger that activates and overstimulates the immune system through a barrage of signaling chemicals, including those known as cytokines.
The flood of these chemicals can set off what is referred to as a “cytokine storm.” This is a complex interplay of chemicals that can cause blood pressure to drop, attract more killer immune and inflammatory cells, and lead to even more injury within the lungs, heart, kidneys, and brain. Some researchers say cytokine storms may be the cause of sudden decompensation, leading to critical illness in COVID-19 patients.


There may be another deadly culprit. Many doctors have discovered that abnormal clotting, known as thrombosis, may also play a major role in lethal COVID-19. Doctors are seeing clots everywhere: large-vessel clots, including deep vein thrombosis (DVT) in the legs and pulmonary emboli (PE) in the lungs; clots in arteries, causing strokes; and small clots in tiny blood vessels in organs throughout the body. Early autopsy results are also showing widely scattered clots in multiple organs.
Adam Cuker, MD, a hematologist at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania who specializes in clotting disorders, says these clots are happening at high rates even when patients are on blood thinners for clot prevention. In one study from the Netherlands, 31% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 got clots while on blood thinners.
Cuker says that “new studies validate what we have all been seeing with our eyes, which is that ‘boy, it seems that these patients are clotting a lot.’ … And it could be that the rate of thrombotic events are even higher than we truly recognize.” Though the reason for the clotting is still not clear, it seems to be playing a much larger role in death than previously understood.
Beyond the collateral damage from cytokine storms and clotting, other things like loss of ACE2 receptors from direct viral attack, low blood pressure that comes from a severe illness, low oxygen levels, ventilator use, and drug treatments themselves can all harm organs throughout the body, including the heart, kidneys, liver, brain, nerves and other organs.
There have also been serious complications in a small number of previously healthy children who have experienced severe shock, similar to Kawasaki disease or toxic-shock syndrome. This syndrome, now called multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C), involves fevers and damage to multiple organs. Researchers are still trying to understand the exact cause, but they’ve found that children with MIS-C are negative for the virus but positive for antibodies. For these children the trigger may be some sort of immune response after the infection has been cleared.

Double-Edged Sword​

Even though researchers are learning more each day about the virus and how and where it attacks the body, treatment geared toward these targets also pose significant problems. Many drugscome with a risk of destroying the delicate balance that allows the body to help fight the disease or to manage inflammation.

The ACE2 receptor that the virus uses to enter cells is a key player in lowering inflammation and reducing blood pressure. Targeting or blocking this receptor as a treatment strategy to prevent viral entry into cells may actually worsen blood pressure, increase the risk of heart failure and kidney injury, and increase inflammation that may worsen lung injury.
Drugs that target the immune response to lower the risk of a cytokine storm may also tamp down the immune response, making it hard to kill off the virus over the long run.
Using medicines to prevent clotting may end up causing severe bleeding. Cuker points out that “we don’t have a good read on bleeding … we have limited evidence about the clotting risk … we have zero evidence on bleeding risk in these patients, and it’s a real priority to understand this risk, especially because one of our strategies to treat the clotting is stepping up intensity the of anti-coagulation.”
Timing is likely to be key in treatment strategies. For example, patients may need a drug to boost the immune system early on in the disease, and then one to tamp it down if the disease progresses and cytokine markers begin to rise.

Just the Tip of the Iceberg​

Cuker says that what we know about clotting and almost everything else when it comes to COVID-19 “is just the tip of the iceberg.”
Sanober Amin, MD, PhD, a dermatologist in Texas, agrees.
She posted images on social media that show the wide variety of skin findings she has been seeing and hearing about. Her post received a massive response. Amin says that “dermatologists from around the world, from Turkey to France to Canada to the U.S., are sharing information about rashes that they’ve observed in people with COVID-19.”
Some rashes seem to be consistent with what’s called a viral exanthema, which is a term for a general rash that can happen with almost any virus. But, Amin says, “some skin findings are more consistent with superficial clotting in blood vessels close to the skin.”
This is what some have called “COVID toes,” similar to pernio. Dermatologists are seeing more cases of these small clots in toes and fingers, especially in children.
Researchers will still need to work out which symptoms may be caused by the virus and which may just be unrelated early findings.

The Long Haulers​

One open question is what the long-term effects may be for survivors. What does life look like after being on a ventilator or suddenly needing dialysis? Will we see decreases in heart, lung, and kidney function that are long-lasting and permanent, or will patients eventually recover? We are learning that for some people who fight past their initial bout with COVID-19, months later, life is still not the same. They have survived the infection, but have not fully recovered. These people are being called “long-haulers.” From minor complaints to severe functional decline, long-haulers are experiencing a vast array of after effects.

Given the wide range of damage caused by COVID-19 and long hospitalizations for many who recover, it’s not surprising that regaining function can take time. Those with severe disease may have experienced lung damage, heart attacks, arrhythmias, strokes, and blood clots. Others may have had inflammation of the brain, confusion, delirium, and new onset diabetes or sugar control problems.
Doctors are studying survivors to learn more about the long-term effects of COVID-19. Early findings show lung scarring on scans even three months after infection. Based on studies of SARS survivors, some never fully recovered lung function more than 15 years after infection. Many other organs that take a hit, are also slow to recover, including the heart, kidneys
Some people whose condition was not serious enough to require hospitalization are also describing persistent symptoms of chest discomfort, shortness of breath, “brain fog,” headaches, severe exhaustion and fatigue. Similar to the aftermath of SARS, some people are experiencing a condition very similar to chronic fatigue syndrome, also known as myalgic encephalomyelitis, a condition involving severe fatigue after activity that doesn’t improve with rest..
Heart and lung damage has been found on tests even in people who never experienced any COVID symptoms at all. Concerns about heart damage, including inflammation of the heart muscle, are so serious that the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that youth athletes who suffered from multiple days of fevers and concerning symptoms like shortness of breath should not return to playing sports until they are fully evaluated by their doctor, even after symptoms have gone away.
A recent study found that “long COVID” may actually be up to four different syndromes, depending on the patient.
In order to prepare for other potential long-term effects, scientists are looking at patients that recovered from SARS. Mental health concerns like depression, anxiety, and post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) are among the persistent conditions that people have experienced after recovery. These have been identified in many after COVID-19 as well.
It will take time to tease apart what long-term effects are due to organ damage from direct attack by the virus, the overactive immune response and widespread blood clotting, or side effects from treatment and prolonged hospitalization. Recently, long-term nerve damage has been identified as a possibly permanent side-effect, likely from treatment with prone positioning while on a ventilator.
One concerning finding is that while many of those who die from COVID-19 are older with other medical conditions, one survey of long-haulers in New York City found that the most were women, with an average age of 44 who were generally healthy before their bout with COVID-19. How long various effects will last, who is most at risk and whether or not full recovery is possible remains to be seen.

Unanswered Questions​

For now, much of the information we have about the symptoms of COVID-19 come from hospitalized patients who are very sick by the time they seek care.


We still don't know the full extent of what mild and moderate versions of the disease look like and what exactly the disease does to people who have symptoms but aren’t quite sick enough to be hospitalized, or those who have no symptoms at all.
We also don’t know how people will clear infections. If the new coronavirus ends up being an acute infection, like other coronaviruses, most recovered people should develop at least a short-term immunity. It’s also possible that the virus may persist as a latent infection, like chickenpox, lying dormant in the body, only to re-emerge periodically as shingles does, or become a chronic infection, like hepatitis B, living within the body for a sustained period of time, causing long-term damage.
“It's definitely going to be an acute infection ... there’s no way it’s going to be latent or chronic, no way ... I think so … we’ll see,” Vinetz says.

And now, they're saying it could cause long-term debility. ME/CFS, brain fog, brain damage, lung fibrosis, et cetera. Just like SARS.


Conclusions
Granted that no long-term data of substantial numbers of patients with various presenting symptoms exist and with comparison groups, and that it is still early in the COVID-19 pandemic, it is possible that large numbers of patients will experience long-term sequelae. Outpatient post–COVID-19 clinics are opening in many localities where large outbreaks have occurred, and the term “long-haulers” has been suggested to refer to these patients. It is imperative that the care of this vulnerable patient population take a multidisciplinary approach, with a thoughtfully integrated research agenda, to avoid health system fragmentation and to allow the comprehensive study of long-term health consequences of COVID-19 on multiple organ systems and overall health and well-being. Furthermore, such an approach will provide the opportunity to efficiently and systematically conduct studies of therapeutic interventions to mitigate the adverse physical and mental health effects among hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people who recover from COVID-19. Longer-ranging longitudinal observational studies and clinical trials will be critical to elucidate the durability and depth of health consequences attributable to COVID-19 and how these may compare with other serious illnesses.

There are people who were infected with SARS who still had chronic fatigue over eight years later. We still don't know exactly what triggers that.





So, when confronted with information that describes a virus with a multi-organ pathology, one that is alleged to cause long-term, permanent damage to the human body in those who survive, who the fuck am I supposed to believe?

Am I supposed to believe right-wingers who think that COVID-19 was hyped up (or, alternately, a bioweapon that was deliberately deployed by the CCP at the behest of treasonous Democrats) to try and destroy both the economy and Trump's presidency?

Am I supposed to believe left-wingers who think that science is a religion with a priestly caste and that it's forbidden for outsiders to practice it, and we should just uncritically accept everything that sneering mouthpieces like Fauci blurt out?

Am I supposed to believe scientists who consistently paint a grim picture of a virus that goes through the human body like a chainsaw dildo in their journal articles?

Am I supposed to believe it when the CDC tells me that masks are useless, only to admit that they lied to protect the supply chain and they actually want us all wearing masks?

Am I supposed to believe news outlets that alternately tell me that public protests are "good and promote social justice" or that they're "bad and spread disease", depending on the politics of the people engaging in them? The same media that tells us that BLM and Antifa are "mostly peaceful" while shit is literally burning in the background behind their reporters?

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Face it. Nothing that has happened this year has made any goddamn sense at all. It's pure bedlam. We have been continuously assaulted with dozens of little lies and contradictions, both about the virus and everything else that's happened.

It's not just the virus! There's a fucking Shadow War occurring in the background that next to nobody is talking about. What kind of a year has both a huge pandemic and all of these other things, as well?
  • The assassinations of Qasem Soleimani and Mohsen Fakhrizadeh.
  • Huge numbers of leaked social media videos purporting to show apocalyptic scenes of COVID-19 sufferers dying in agony.
  • The arrest of Charles Lieber due to his ties to the Wuhan University of Technology.
  • The media lambasting Trump for pushing unproven COVID-19 therapies.
  • The CDC and WHO vacillating on masks and on whether or not COVID-19 is even an airborne disease or merely a droplet-borne one.
  • The arrest of Ghislaine Maxwell and the reveal that her sister, Anne Maxwell, was the therapist of the Columbine Shooters.
  • George Floyd's death and the reaction to it.
  • The destruction of the USS Bonhomme Richard by arson.
  • The annihilation of the port of Beirut in a massive explosion.
  • The Hunter Biden files.
  • Emerging evidence of widespread and pervasive voter fraud, including claims by retired Three-Star General Thomas McInerney, that the CIA had a facility in Frankfurt, Germany that was raided by US Spec-ops, containing a server that vote counts were routed through.
  • Klaus Schwab and the Great Reset.
  • Dozens of world leaders spouting the same NWO slogans.
  • Many, many other bizarre occurrences.
I've had just about enough of living in an episode of Black Mirror. It's clear that there's malicious intent behind all of this. Now, it's time to dissect how these worthless bastards have spent months gaslighting us. It's about time we had the goddamn truth, for once!

I don't blame him since i held that mentality back in march till those protests were happening during the summer.

I was scared. I was scared for my friends, I was scared for my parents, for my coworkers. Now that I see what's really going on, here, I'm angry. I don't like being duped.

The virus is still dangerous, especially in certain vulnerable populations, but the crisis was used as an excuse for the most obscene political and economic manipulations. You have all these NWO dipshits like Klaus Schwab coming out of the woodwork, trying to push their bug-eating nonsense on people. There dozens of politicians, all spewing the same slogans. The Great Reset. Build Back Better. Like they're in a fucking trance.

Everyone has a right to know exactly what these freaks are planning, because this is downright sinister stuff. I've never seen anything like this before in my life.
 
I mean I been following this trainwreck that is CoV-2019 since January and while I do not think it will destroy humanity, the way every country is reacting to it means its probably something you do not want to fuck with. I always ask myself the question what do they know about this shit that they are not telling us. I would rather be safe then sorry if I bet wrong thinking this is a joke. Then again at the same time half of me just says fuck it.
 
I was scared. I was scared for my friends, I was scared for my parents, for my coworkers. Now that I see what's really going on, here, I'm angry. I don't like being duped.

The virus is still dangerous, especially in certain vulnerable populations, but the crisis was used as an excuse for the most obscene political and economic manipulations. You have all these NWO dipshits like Klaus Schwab coming out of the woodwork, trying to push their bug-eating nonsense on people. There dozens of politicians, all spewing the same slogans. The Great Reset. Build Back Better. Like they're in a fucking trance.

Everyone has a right to know exactly what these freaks are planning, because this is downright sinister stuff. I've never seen anything like this before in my life.
What you have to keep in mind is that the average person dying of this has 2.6 preexisting comorbidities. They are not healthy people. And the "yung und fit und helfeeee" people dying are fat. And fat is never, ever healthy. Not once not ever.

And I agree with you, these are unprecedented times. I think we can all agree on that,right?

I do also agree with you on the being duped. It fucking sucks, it is a horrible realisation to have.its likecthe floor falls out your world. It is a terrible realisation to have and as someone who had to go through that alone,apart from family and my partner, who has been flipping people who weigh 400lb onto their chests so their fat doesn't choke them? Wouldn't wish that shit on anyone.

Best thing people can do is ignore the advice, keep on living and cover their butts to refuse a vaccine. Beyond that I've got nothing, I'm sorry.
 
And I agree with you, these are unprecedented times. I think we can all agree on that,right?

There's something else going on here, besides the virus. People are talking about each individual incident, but few are making the connection that it's all part of a greater whole.






China wants Taiwan, and they also want Biden to be President in the US because he'll go soft on them. Israel wants Iran out of the way.

There is one group that connects all of them, and that's quite literally the fucking Rothschilds. In fact, Iran is one of the last countries remaining on Earth without a Rothschild-owned central bank.






So, we ought to be putting the question to them. For what purpose have the Rothschilds tortured the world's populace with a virus scare?
 
There's something else going on here, besides the virus. People are talking about each individual incident, but few are making the connection that it's all part of a greater whole.






China wants Taiwan, and they also want Biden to be President in the US because he'll go soft on them. Israel wants Iran out of the way.

There is one group that connects all of them, and that's quite literally the fucking Rothschilds. In fact, Iran is one of the last countries remaining on Earth without a Rothschild-owned central bank.






So, we ought to be putting the question to them. For what purpose have the Rothschilds tortured the world's populace with a virus scare?
Damn. You got redpilled, hard. Serious question: Did it scare you when it - and by it, I mean, you had that "oh SHIT" moment - happened? Was it one thing that made you switch your opinion, or was it a gradual accumulation?
 
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So, we ought to be putting the question to them. For what purpose have the Rothschilds tortured the world's populace with a virus scare?
I really would like to know the answer to this. If the Rothschilds (or whoever) want us to stay inside, why? It can't just be because of illness, there have been so many others that were just as bad. I've even heard that if we don't fear the Coof and stay in, TPTB might release Covid-21, which could truly be the killer that -19 was hyped to be. Again, to what end? Seems a sloppy way to reduce population if that was their goal.
 
The latest from the county I live in. Just had a haircut provided by a neighbor lady, a hairdresser who's been laid off by her salon. Newsom and company simply don't care. Fuck 'em.


BREAKING NEWS FROM THE CARMEL PINE CONE

December 4, 2020, 3:25 p.m.


HEALTH DEPARTMENT FINALLY GIVES CARMEL-BY-THE-SEA A NUMBER

• Seven residents in city have had coronavirus

After saying since the beginning of the epidemic that people who live in the City of Carmel had experienced a total of fewer than five coronavirus cases, the Monterey County department of health this morning said the total for the small city is now seven. It did not say when the seven cases occurred.

The announcement, which confirms Carmel as a place where coronavirus is not prevalent, comes amid a sharp rise in cases in many parts of the county, leading to an equally sharp rise in hospitalizations. Another change for the health department today is that it began announcing the number of current hospitalizations in Monterey County, which stands at 90.

It was the increase in hospitalizations — and particularly ICU cases — that Gov. Gavin Newsom cited yesterday when he announced a new round of shutdowns for most of the state, but not Monterey County, where, according to state database, ICU capacity is still above the minimum he required. Newsom said he expected Monterey County to be added to the shutdown list "by the middle or the end of December," however.

Meanwhile, the health department said it had confirmed 226 coronavirus cases in the county yesterday, making the latest 7-day total of new cases a record 1,340 and driving the county's 7-day average of new infections per day per 100,000 residents to 41.2, which is also the highest it's been here.

The 1,340 cases in the past week include 969 in Salinas and the Salinas Valley and 174 in the Monterey Peninsula: 60 in Seaside, 48 in Marina, 37 in Monterey, 12 in Carmel area (93923), six in Pacific Grove, 4 in Pebble Beach and three apiece in Carmel Valley and Big Sur. We do not know how many of Carmel's cases, if any, occurred in the last week.

To see the most up-to-date charts and tables from the county health department, click here. Below, you can also find the updated versions of our charts showing coronavirus infections countywide and in the Monterey Peninsula, along with the data for hospitalizations and our chart breaking down Monterey County's coronavirus cases and infection rates by zip code. Please check these charts and tables for the latest data on coronavirus cases in your community.


BAY AREA COUNTIES TO IMPOSE SHUTDOWN OF THEIR OWN

To make matters even more confusing than they already are, the San Francisco Chronicle is reporting that San Francisco, Santa Clara, Marin, Contra Costa and Alameda counties and the city of Berkeley have decided to impose their own version of the state's shutdown order, even though what Newsom announced yesterday did not immediately apply to them.

"Six Bay Area jurisdictions plan to enact a regional stay-at-home order starting as soon as Sunday, speeding up the timeline on restrictions that otherwise would have gone into place in a couple of weeks under the statewide stay-at-home order Gov. Gavin Newsom announced Thursday," reporter Catherine Ho said. "This preemptive measure in parts of the Bay Area will close outdoor and indoor dining, personal care services such as hair and nail salons, playgrounds, bars and wineries, movie theaters, museums and zoos. It will allow retail, grocery stores and other businesses to remain open but limit capacity at 20 percent. Restaurants can do takeout and delivery only."

Those jurisdictions are in the same region (under Newsom's shutdown plan) as Monterey County. Is our health department or board of supervisors planning an early shutdown here? At this point, we simply do not know.

Couple from Reason.

Fuck this no-good sonofabitch. Just fuck him, fully. Lying bastard.





Figure the odds, you stupid cocksuckers. You have NO credibility.


 
If COVID-19 cannot do any of those things, then we have a real problem on our hands, because we just watched the media and dozens of reputable journals publish huge reams of false information with intent to spread panic and alarmism.
i suppose we've had a "real problem on our hands" for at least a century then, and that's being incredibly generous
  • The arrest of Ghislaine Maxwell and the reveal that her sister, Anne Maxwell, was the therapist of the Columbine Shooters.
also what's this anne maxwell shit i am genuinely interested. also happy page 2000 🙃
 
I am absolutely pissed that my PUA application was denied. Motherfuckers, you all SAID it was a terrible disease, Evers was all over the TV telling us STAY THE FUCK HOME. I have CPLD and was born with a fucking hole in my chest, so I quit my new job where I had no health insurance yet, because I had to take TWO public buses there (fucking nasty even without the coof). I did exactly what you said, and have a good work history with no claims in the past 15 years (with the exception of like two months when I was between jobs). Yet I was denied, and now you want to pass a $1T spending bill to give me maybe another grand (yeah, that'll help) and give millions of illegals money as well? FUCK. OFF. You started this shitstorm, getting everyone scared and armed with a spray bottle of 91% iso, and then cut us off at the knees. Believe me, had I known then what I know now I'd have kept that stupid job, gotten the damn coof, and then raised absolute hell with my then-employer (who made CAFETERIA TABLES for schools that are shut down, certainly they are an essential business, no? They stayed open...)

Sorry for the rant, everything is just really getting to me in this fucking cursed year.
 
What is someone supposed to believe, when they see apocalyptic scenes like this?






How are we supposed to react when epidemiologists are telling us, outright, that COVID-19 will inevitably and rapidly kill 2.2 million people in the US if no action is taken, and our politicians are taking this information at face value?




And then the very same guy who's telling us we're all going to die is out violating quarantine so he can fuck married women?



And his computer model was based on shitcode and useless anyway?




This pandemic has left behind a paper trail of bad science, bad policy, mismanagement, and bureaucrats intentionally spreading mass panic, all of it justified by relentless gaslighting by the lying media. If people were smart, they'd be archiving everything. Every goddamn thing. Every newspaper clipping. Everything.

They're going to try and bury this. You can't let anything slip through the cracks. Every video, every public statement, everything must be gathered and placed under enhanced scrutiny.
@Drain Todger I am so glad that you finally woke up and can see what is actually happening, now you can make your next move out of logical thinking, and not fear.
 
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