Biting the hand that feeds - A brief history of the Kiwi Farms and why A&T is the redheaded stepchild of the site.

[Nobunaga]

So first what is a "violent threat"? if you say with smile "I'll kill you", this is a non-violent threat of violence. If I throw a brick against your house with a note saying "I will be unhappy with you" this is a violent threat of non-violence.

Second, Null simply decided to comply with a request from the FBI. Lavabit at the time apparently decided to shut down rather than comply.

Imho a request can be denied, but seriously why bother.

I also note the canary warrant (if anyone believes in canary warrants) is ambiguous: "we have not received any court orders" does not mean "we have not received any orders from anyone or any agency". And an order is an order, a request is a request, those are different things.

According to KF's TOS:

"You agree to not use the Service to submit or link to any Content which violates any laws."

So why the surprise if some user got banned for threatening someone?

Also BTW the TOS says you have to be "13 and older" to use the website, the footer says "this an adult website, minors must discontinue using this site". So maybe better make it clearer imho.

Time and place, motive and method
Thats what makes a threat you dumb nigger

 

[Love Machine]

I don't think I'm brow beating you on every televised network with shit that never happened, but okay.

You people are on a lolcow website I like to use. Which is worse because I don't watch television. Continue to act the way you do with zero self awareness, soon enough you'll be the subject of the sites intended purpose. If you people aren't Already.

 

[Happy Fish]

You people are on a lolcow website I like to use. Which is worse because I don't watch television. Continue to act the way you do with zero self awareness, soon enough you'll be the subject of the sites intended purpose. If you people aren't Already.

So you are just crying about politics in general. Maybe you should shut up and not say stupid unqualified shit, then.

 

[northstar747]

It's low-value content. It's fun sometimes to go in there and shitpost, but the only difference between those boards and the comment sections of virtually any website on the internet is that this site lets you say gamer words without censorship and somehow people think it is vitally important to political discourse to be able to call your opponent a nigger.

On KF, it was fun for a while but the increased attention to the "non-gossip" boards has diluted the site IMO. If you are really looking for a good site to have valuable political discussion on I don't know how to help you, but KiwiFarms isn't a good place for that anyway. We're just one kinda spicy flavor of low-information high-meme discussion. KF is maybe a little better than places like /pol/ simply because the userbase is a bit less myopic but that's it.

So yes, I was being serious, but the message was that this sort of content isn't very useful or valuable IMO and KiwiFarms dumping it would refocus the site on talking about weird people online - for which KiwiFarms is both absolutely the best place online and a uniquely special group of people/content.

So I came over from a website called somethingawful.com. It had a forum that for awhile was pretty good and one thing I honestly miss is having people from different back ground or sides of an issue go back and forth in a discourse it really helped understand if not the issue the places people from an issue were coming from. Sadly the community degereated into IDpol shit.

I enjoyed A&H when autist put their energy toward checking what the MSM puts out questioning everything and looking for receipts its a fun read.

However I think your right. The Wuflu thread was help by having actual scientists explain things and while I checked out of that thread months ago it honestly helped me and some family "get ready"

The sperging in the election thread was awful it honestly made me wish for SA mods again.

I personally agree with josh. If the subform is going to cause real legal problems and if people are gonna shit on him, then shut it down.

 

[Love Machine]

So you are just crying about politics in general. Maybe you should shut up and not say stupid unqualified shit, then.

Doesn't take a qualification to see that both sides of the politisperg coin are essentially the same at this point. Only difference is your regurgitated talking points.

Good look with your civil war though.

 

[Aquinas]

TL'DR

 

[Love Machine]

TL'DR

"Let us say what we want master null, or else we will be very mad. We will still suck you off tho".

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

Politispergs ruin websites the same way troons do.

that's because politisperging is a prerequisite to troondom

 

[Aquinas]

"Let us say what we want master null, or else we will be very mad. We will still suck you off tho".

Yeah that was too long for me to read aswell

 

[Smug Chuckler]

Move political discussion to the Top Secret Inner Circle and problem solved fam.

 

[Happy Fish]

Doesn't take a qualification to see that both sides of the politisperg coin are essentially the same at this point. Only difference is your regurgitated talking points.

Good look with your civil war though.

I agree. It doesn't take any qualification to say retarded shit with no thought behind it and sit on the fence.

 

[Florence]

ny discussion of politics outside of the Happenings gets you a temp thread ban. Zero tolerance. Because some of the same people I see bitch about A & H will also use cow threads to discuss the rise of fucking Hitler and WWI (see Movie Bob).

Isn't that just history, though? I mean, Bob constantly uses historical references in order to sound smart despite knowing jack shit about the subject in question, and being able to point out why he's wrong re: the Renaissance while not being able to do the same thing for the assassination of Franz Ferdinand seems kind of arbitrary. Maybe a ban on politics from the last 30-40 years might do the trick? Otherwise you'd risk banning discussion of anything vaguely historical on the basis that all of history has been shaped by politics in some way.

 

[Love Machine]

I got it, my idea.

Restrict access to A&H, charge politispergs $30 for a politisperg. Ban them when they inevitably fed post or sperg out outside their quarantine zone. Then when they make a new account make them pay again.

I agree. It doesn't take any qualification to say retarded shit with no thought behind it and sit on the fence.

How's the civil war going? Did you stop the steal?

 

[Happy Fish]

How's the civil war going? Did you stop the steal?

Case and point. You're just missing smuckles.

 

[Love Machine]

Case and point. You're just missing smuckles.

Maybe Sargon was right and you're all just a bunch of wiggers.

 

[Shield Breaker]

Isn't that just history, though? I mean, Bob constantly uses historical references in order to sound smart despite knowing jack shit about the subject in question, and being able to point out why he's wrong re: the Renaissance while not being able to do the same thing for the assassination of Franz Ferdinand seems kind of arbitrary. Maybe a ban on politics from the last 30-40 years might do the trick? Otherwise you'd risk banning discussion of anything vaguely historical on the basis that all of history has been shaped by politics in some way.

They often tie it to modern day politics. Talking about why Bob's retarded political takes are retarded is fine, and using historical examples are neat. Discussing the inevitable rise of a modern Hitler because they no longer teach how he obtained power, and how all modern political rallies rip off the Nazis is really pushing it.

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

This site got a little too friendly with glowposting this year and I'm actually surprised this didn't happen sooner. Between the riots and quarantine and the election, tensions were high and people were angry and I guess we all just kinda forgot where the line was. It's one thing to tell a tiny insignificant country that's laws dont apply to you to fuck off but its another thing to tell your home country, one of the biggest in the world, to do the same. Especially when you want to live life.

 

[drain]

Most new, politically charged users came here to sperg about their retarded views on politics that nobody outside their own autistic heads care about. So of course they won't respect general forum etiquette or know the whole site's lore. They just see the site as a place to shit up and fight online because irl nobody cares about them.

 

[Ponchik]

The sperging in the election thread was awful it honestly made me wish for SA mods again.

if you wanted mods banning absolutely fucking everyone left and right, you should've wished for facepunch mods...

 

[Eris!]

This site got a little too friendly with glowposting this year and I'm actually surprised this didn't happen sooner. Between the riots and quarantine and the election, tensions were high and people were angry and I guess we all just kinda forgot where the line was. It's one thing to tell a tiny insignificant country that's laws dont apply to you to fuck off but its another thing to tell your home country, one of the biggest in the world, to do the same. Especially when you want to live life.

People really don't seem to understand that Null didn't tell them to fuck off because of muh free speech or because he was team tarrant. Null told them to fuck off because they were making demands they had neither the right nor the authority to make. At the exact same time Null got many messages from US law enforcement and was more than happy to assist them in the ways they asked. Most of them wanted the video for training purposes, but if they had made the same request New Zealand made you're a dumbass if you think he would have reacted the same.