Biting the hand that feeds - A brief history of the Kiwi Farms and why A&T is the redheaded stepchild of the site.

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Sig's own reasoning for posting what got the feds involved was to "own the conservatards". Not sure why people are making this out to be a wignat thing.
Because people in that thread were unironically saying the exact same shit he was and when Null went " Hey this shit can get me in trouble knock it off you retards." the politards set him on fire for it.
 
Unless one can be proven to have a means and intentions for an act then him saying it proves nothing. Especially if the talk isn't directed towards a target that can actually feel threatened by the act and a sane observer will count it as regular internet tough guy rather than a credible threat. Yeah it's dumb and far beyond what people will constitute in good taste, but cooperating with this will 100% end up in a situation where any political speech against the dominating group will be shut down since you can always interpret everything as a threat.
Those alphabet spooks work in mysterious ways. What catches their eye can seem somewhat arbitrary but when they come knocking you can only cooperate and hope they don't fuck your life up too much.
 
Why should anyone care how reasonable or unreasonable his position is? It's his site. Why would Null care if people find him to be reasonable or unreasonable? He can and should do what he wants with it.
Certainly, but the OP suggested to me that he felt that quite a few users (or at least enough users to warrant a thread such as this) considered his reaction/stance wrong or unreasonable (hence the backlash).
As such, I felt it was sensible to point out that from an "outsider's" perspective, or at least mine, it would seem that this is not the case for the majority of all users on the KF. There will always be hardliners that walk through life seeing it all in black and white, but most adults develop a sense of nuance.
 
Sig was a notorious shitposter who was mocking other retards in the election thread who were actually glorifying irl terrorists like Timothy McVeigh, and encouraging other users to carry out the same bullshit he did. The only difference is that Sig either intentionally, or not picked a time, place, and target that was actually going to be there when he said he would start shooting. That's what got the FBI to actually do something.

Now, do I think Sig actually intended to hurt people?

No.

I think he was taking the piss out of all the other real faggots glowposting like crazy, and who all deserve to be punished, too. I do think that Sig does deserve to be banned if only because he actually got the feds involved. He might've just been kidding, and might not have had any intention of causing actual harm, but like it, or not, the feds did show up, and he should be punished for that.

A key thing to note, however, is that the election thread was in Deep Thoughts, and not A&H, or Happenings-at least not the particular election thread where all the glowposting was happening. People are wanting A&H, and to a lesser extent, Happenings, to be banned despite it not being the actual board at fault here because all the political spergs from A&H, and Happenings were gathering in that particular thread in that particular board.

Should those boards be banned? Honestly, at this point, yeah.

They have been the cause of way too much drama, and way too much actual legal shit going down. KF is not supposed to be your place to get "unbias news", (by the way, anyone who thinks A&H, and Happenings are unbiased is a fucking retard), it's not "the last bastion of free speech", it's not a place to be talking about how you're going to overthrow the government, and about political bullshit like that.

It's supposed to be a place to laugh at stupid people on the internet.

Nothing more, and nothing less.

Users who flock to those boards do not try to integrate, and have openly admitted to just wanting a place to sperg about. They don't care about the culture, they don't care about the site's owner, they don't care about the site's other users. They just want to shit up the place, and now look what's fucking happened.

Arguing that A&H, and Happenings act as containment boards is flimsy at best because the users just keep spilling out into the rest of the site. Now, this might not be case, but I think if you got rid of A&H, and Happenings more of the spergs would spill out into the rest of the site at first, but they would soon fuck off because what drew them here in the first place would no longer be around. They would just become refugees for some other site to deal with.

Now, if that doesn't happen, and they decide to stick around, we'll know for sure that those boards weren't the root of the problem, and be able to hopefully find a proper solution from there. But until then, I think A&H, and Happenings have had more than enough chances, and should finally be axed from the site.
 
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We are here to exercise our free speech. Illegal speech is not free speech.

You don't actually want to beat communists in the street, so don't say that you do. And if you actually do, just go there and do it yourself so the rest of us can A-Log your stupidity like we do with every other edgy Elliot Rogers wannabe.
 
Sig's own reasoning for posting what got the feds involved was to "own the conservatards". Not sure why people are making this out to be a wignat thing.
Very few people actually read an OP, the thread following it, or properly contextualize any of it outside of skimming a few words here and there. The number of people in this thread who think that SIG was some kind of hardcore right-winger who lost his marbles is pretty fucking funny, though.
 
Some of you guys are alright. Don't go to A&N tomorrow. I will be aggressively shitposting

Seriously though, for all the fags complaining - pol is just a couple of clicks away. I actually like the A&N/Happenings boards, you spergs are good at pulling info together, but nowhere else on the site have I seen people spill their spaghetti all over the place as much as on those boards. They seem to attract a very particular type of spaz.
 
Unless one can be proven to have a means and intentions for an act then him saying it proves nothing. Especially if the talk isn't directed towards a target that can actually feel threatened by the act and a sane observer will count it as regular internet tough guy rather than a credible threat. Yeah it's dumb and far beyond what people will constitute in good taste, but cooperating with this will 100% end up in a situation where any political speech against the dominating group will be shut down since you can always interpret everything as a threat.

Do you people just make things up and then think that it's true because it "sounds right?" If SIGSEGV was actually a 4'1" manlet supreme who had never purchased a firearm and didn't own a vehicle, yet he posted a targeted and specific threat against the employees of a given Kroger's, do you think it'd get a pass just because he didn't "have the means and intentions" for it? Point out to me the country where that's the case: it'd be heaven for people who never moved on from the original xbox live.

But before you throw some more fresh-cooked conjecture, let's take a look: here's the US' legal exceptions in a bigass bundle.
Follow the rabbit hole here to learn what constitutes a "true threat" :
Therefore, we hold that "threat of force" in FACE means what our settled threats law says a true threat is: a statement which, in the entire context and under all the circumstances, a reasonable person would foresee would be interpreted by those to whom the statement is communicated as a serious expression of intent to inflict bodily harm upon that person.

Knock it off with this THE LIBERALS WILL ARREST YOU FOR SAYING TROONS ARE UGLY IF THIS KEEPS UP supported primarily with conjecture and speculation based on your own personal interpretation of "free speech" and what you'd define as a "reasonable threat." You're not going to get arrested for saying, say, that Lou Gagliardi is fat and no one should have sex with him.
The alphabet agencies obviously have to exercise discretion in who they go after, but one would generally avoid their attention by not making posts that directly fall into these definitions even without glancing at precedent regarding them. SIGSEGV's mental segfault falls pretty clearly into that quote above when it's cut out and presented to some oldass boomer judge on its own, as Null pointed out in the stream.
 
No they're pissed because he told them to stop posting their fucking shooting manifestos on his site and pissing off the feds.
But it wasn't A&N who was pissing off the feds. It was one of their detractors who was so hellbent about them, he ended up fed posting and got the site in trouble for it.
If I understand correctly.
 
Very few people actually read an OP, the thread following it, or properly contextualize any of it outside of skimming a few words here and there. The number of people in this thread who think that SIG was some kind of hardcore right-winger who lost his marbles is pretty fucking funny, though.
Shhhhhhh! Let the niggers think Sig was a right winger and predominate A&H poster; it will make them feel better.
 
But it wasn't A&N who was pissing off the feds. It was one of their detractors who was so hellbent about them, he ended up fed posting and got the site in trouble for it.
If I understand correctly.
Yes, and when this happened the users of adolf&hitler decided to get mad at null for cooperating with the feds because theyve been posting more loose calls to mass murder for weeks,
 
But it wasn't A&N who was pissing off the feds. It was one of their detractors who was so hellbent about them, he ended up fed posting and got the site in trouble for it.
If I understand correctly.
It was literally just a shitpost that shitposted so hard that the FBI had to tell him to lol calm down. There's nothing deeper to it than that and that's why it's so funny.
 
But it wasn't A&N who was pissing off the feds. It was one of their detractors who was so hellbent about them, he ended up fed posting and got the site in trouble for it.
If I understand correctly.
Sig was just the first dumbass to get the Feds attention there was plenty of glowposting in that thread as Taco has wonderfully archived.

And when Null told people here to quit acting like fucking retards there was a swarm of assholes telling him to eat shit cause muh freeze peach means I should be able to post my manifestos about shooting dem Biden niggers.

That's on top of the fact that a lot of these same assholes are cheerleading Trump's dumbass attempt to revoke Section 230 because thier pea-brains think it'll "own the libs".
 
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