2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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HTTP Error 404 said:
Given what we've learned about China the past few years? I'd be 100% ok with him doing this with currently publicly available information. Them intentionally shipping Fentanyl to the US to kill people is enough.
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Wait, wait, waitwaitwaitwait. Hold the fuck up. Elaborate, please? :o
 
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TBH I think most people's lives will go onward as the political battle rages in Washington, but I could see some militia groups causing some issues- i.e. in the 'blue' southern states, or in areas with state separatist sentiments (i.e. Eastern Oregon/Washington, Northern California).

From there onwards, I think punitive actions by state police against those groups may draw in more groups looking for action- much like the beginning of most civil conflicts (police crackdown>seen as proof of government violence>government is now portrayed as occupying force>draws in more extreme groups).

Antifa may probably take this national preoccupation to set aside some autonomous zones for itself in the cities, or depending on how glowy they are, act as a leftist/anarchist militia group. You may get some boogaloo gangs in the city as well, looking for happenings.

Simultaneously, I think that each President will attempt to portray themselves as the legitimate president, and try to win international recognition (some countries like China/Russia/Turkey will take this opportunity to pursue their agendas as the US is distracted). China may also attempt to mess around with the US supply chain, given how dependent the US is on it for many basic goods.

Biden may also have a leg up as the Washington establishment and the DC governmental apparatuses may recognize him first, and may attempt to put the opposing states in a vise by denying services (if the opposing states get through it, it also sets off further divisions as you now have parallel bureaucracies).

Military command may try to stay neutral/side with Biden, and I could see a number of personnel 'defect' to their home states depending on how hot it gets, but I don't it'll ever break out into actual pitched fighting.

But honestly, this is just speculation- rate this autistic, but it's all in the air and honestly sort of unprecedented (yes there was the 1877 Compromise, but I don't think it would fly nowadays).
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It would all be halted by the lack of faith in the US dollar causing us to lose reserve status to China, causing us to get backstabby with the quickness so that we can focus on how to deal with Weimar hyperinflation
 
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Hypothetically, if America fought China they could probably win. China is a little bitch. The Indians have been fighting with the Chinese and reported that most of them are scared little kids who don't know one end of a gun from the other and are severely undernourished. Similar goes for the Russians, incidentally. The Russians have won like one war in two hundred years. That's why they try to subvert the US instead

But, as you said, China has nukes and even though they're Russian made nukes from like the '50s they probably don't want to risk even one of them landing. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs were like 90% dud and look at the destruction they caused. Today's modern nuclear weapons are at least a thousand times more devastating than those and we don't know how good American missile defence systems are.
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It is not that simple. Can the US beat China. YES!!!
Are you willing to take that kind of losses for no gain. NO!!!!

Trying to take down another country unwilling to surrender is always a pain and unlike a shit hole like Iraq of Afghanistan the Chinese have a tech level that can do somewhere and enough people in china that can hide in the mountains and make some nasty IDE's or fucking drones. Plus they have a population that will fight back or work against you.

Now you could nuke them, but that opens a can of worms that will fuck a lot of shit op. How will you occupy and pacific a massive population like this?.

Now i don't like the fucking Chinese. How ever they do have trained soldiers and a large standing army. It is not about fighting it, it is about fighting the population supported by remnants.
 
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Vyse Inglebard said:
Wait, wait, waitwaitwaitwait. Hold the fuck up. Elaborate, please? :o
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China ships enough Fentanyl to the US, illegally, to kill every person in the US a few hundred times over, constantly. It's not something that can be made in a bathtub, it's something pharma companies have to make. China is intentionally using what amounts to a chemical weapon on us, constantly, every single day, using Mexican Drug Cartels as an intermediary.

China knows this. It's not some rogue company. It's not some crazed pharmabro doing his own thing in some hidden lab out in the Bat Soup Regions. China is intentionally doing it.

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I think @HTTP Error 404 is referring to this. In which case, yeah, I agree - somehow, someway, CHINA MUST PAY.
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Yes, basically. China is intentionally leaking drugs into the US-Mexico black market in order to target Americans. BEST case scenario, they're jewing the fuck out of us and just making money selling narcotics; this is entirely possible because China generally considers non-Chinese laws a quaint thing to be ignored and worked around, becuase CHINA NUMBAH WON and all that stupid bullshit.

Worst case? They're intentionally using chemical weapons on us in the form of a highly addictive, highly lethal narcotic.

Make no mistake.

We are already at war with China. So is most of the world. Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, etc. It's literally only a matter of figuring out when we stop letting them get away with attacking us and do something about it.
 
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Dr J said:
Hypothetically, if America fought China they could probably win. China is a little bitch. The Indians have been fighting with the Chinese and reported that most of them are scared little kids who don't know one end of a gun from the other and are severely undernourished. Similar goes for the Russians, incidentally. The Russians have won like one war in two hundred years. That's why they try to subvert the US instead

But, as you said, China has nukes and even though they're Russian made nukes from like the '50s they probably don't want to risk even one of them landing. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs were like 90% dud and look at the destruction they caused. Today's modern nuclear weapons are at least a thousand times more devastating than those and we don't know how good American missile defence systems are.
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Complete and total disagree.
If the objective was "total war against China", then sure. The US would lose several major cities, but ultimately China would be strangled into submission. However, this is not an era of total war. This is an era of "optics" warfare, and the US would have to seriously pull its punches and do a ground war - which it would never win simply due to China's size and raw manpower. In addition you'd get calls for surrender even if one nuke hit a major US city, so the fifth column at home would lose you the war just like it lost Vietnam.

If China tried to fight to take over Taiwan and so forth, yeah the US would win. Because all the US has to do at that point is hold Taiwan and Guam and so forth. But the US absolutely cannot win a scenario where they are the aggressor.
 
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RandomTwitterGuy said:
It is not that simple. Can the US beat China. YES!!!
Are you willing to take that kind of losses for no gain. NO!!!!

Trying to take down another country unwilling to surrender is always a pain and unlike a shit hole like Iraq of Afghanistan the Chinese have a tech level that can do somewhere and enough people in china that can hide in the mountains and make some nasty IDE's or fucking drones. Plus they have a population that will fight back or work against you.

Now you could nuke them, but that opens a can of worms that will fuck a lot of shit op. How will you occupy and pacific a massive population like this?.

Now i don't like the fucking Chinese. How ever they do have trained soldiers and a large standing army. It is not about fighting it, it is about fighting the population supported by remnants.
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Their large standing army has never fought a real war and thinks grenades are a reasonable support weapon. The US would supercruise across the country and conventionally bomb a few installations to suggest they could decimate the Three Gorges, and China would do whatever they thought they could do to suggest the US is going to commit a war crime and is too crazy to be in charge. Australia would back the US up in starting the Long War until we can find a patsy to “structurally” “weaken” the opposition, meanwhile anti-Chinese sentiment at home fixes the real problem of national infiltration.
 
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Their large standing army has never fought a real war and thinks grenades are a reasonable support weapon. The US would supercruise across the country and conventionally bomb a few installations to suggest they could decimate the Three Gorges, and China would do whatever they thought they could do to suggest the US is going to commit a war crime and is too crazy to be in charge. Australia would back the US up in starting the Long War until we can find a patsy to “structurally” “weaken” the opposition, meanwhile anti-Chinese sentiment at home fixes the real problem of national infiltration.
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Never underestimate the fact that the United States has to play good guy. In WW2 we had the luxury of firebombing the Germans and Japanese because both parties tried to do that to the United States. Just War demands that the escalation be reciprocal and that most actions - however violent - seek to deescalate the conflict. Like nuking Japan. Why was that a-okay then but if we just nuked Beijing tomorrow we'd be war criminals? Because nuking Japan brought the war closer to its end, and nuking China would escalate a conflict to its absolute maximum scenario and likely draw in Russia and Iran as well.
 
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HumanHive said:
China produces the opium - and that's basically what it is - that is smuggled into the US through Mexico.

The US is getting Opium War'd.
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China ships enough Fentanyl to the US, illegally, to kill every person in the US a few hundred times over, constantly. It's not something that can be made in a bathtub, it's something pharma companies have to make. China is intentionally using what amounts to a chemical weapon on us, constantly, every single day, using Mexican Drug Cartels as an intermediary.

China knows this. It's not some rogue company. It's not some crazed pharmabro doing his own thing in some hidden lab out in the Bat Soup Regions. China is intentionally doing it.
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The thing that urks me about the opioid epidemic is that the government's response to this is basically cracking down on pharmacists which is the symptom, not the cause. Until then, the deaths will continue to grow. But oh look, it's the coronavirus. That thing will kill you! Fucking hate it.
 
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Complete and total disagree.
If the objective was "total war against China", then sure. The US would lose several major cities, but ultimately China would be strangled into submission. However, this is not an era of total war. This is an era of "optics" warfare, and the US would have to seriously pull its punches and do a ground war - which it would never win simply due to China's size and raw manpower. In addition you'd get calls for surrender even if one nuke hit a major US city, so the fifth column at home would lose you the war just like it lost Vietnam.

If China tried to fight to take over Taiwan and so forth, yeah the US would win. Because all the US has to do at that point is hold Taiwan and Guam and so forth. But the US absolutely cannot win a scenario where they are the aggressor.
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China only survives because we ship them food. We'd cut them off. We'd destroy their ports and the Three Gorges Dam. That destroys any and all ability China has to feed itself. Two, Three Weeks Later, we've won. Give it 2 or 3 weeks more to let the population numbers drop down to a sustainable level, and we start making deals with the 9 or 10 different countries China has fractured into by then.

The only catch being that the Globalists would lose their FUCKING MINDS if we threatened their outsourced slaves. China is protected by Israel and the EU, because everyone outsources human rights abuses to them.

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Their large standing army has never fought a real war and thinks grenades are a reasonable support weapon. The US would supercruise across the country and conventionally bomb a few installations to suggest they could decimate the Three Gorges, and China would do whatever they thought they could do to suggest the US is going to commit a war crime and is too crazy to be in charge. Australia would back the US up in starting the Long War until we can find a patsy to “structurally” “weaken” the opposition, meanwhile anti-Chinese sentiment at home fixes the real problem of national infiltration.
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I genuinely think if we ever did get into a war with China, the Three Gorges would be gone within a week or two. It's too tempting a target, and it's destruction would end China.
 
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