2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

You say it like it’s a bad thing. You have just as many convictions as me and are just as stubborn. Also, there is plenty of evidence, more so than there ever was for the Russian collusion case that’s been pushed by the media for years. If Democrats were able to find as much evidence as Republicans have for the fraudulent election, I’d be more inclined to believe them.

I never said there was Russian collusion. I even have said, on here, that there wasn't. The only thing Russia did was make some fake users and if that's enough to swing an election, then your candidate (Hillary) sucked.

Lol at least you admit that you refuse to change your mind in spite of any evidence (or lack of evidence). You're like Chris Chan. I can tell this is your first election

 

[Übertroon]

No. We all know what would happen. "Oh no, the footage was accidentally wiped! But you can't throw out those votes because of disenfranchisement teehee!".

Paper ballots, multiple watchers. What's important isn't even just watching the vote counting, it's being able to challenge the votes as they are counted. You're not doing that with a camera.

I mean you need to specifically say that if the footage isn't working then you need to audit that county or the votes from that county aren't valid. Make it state law and charge anyone who refused to uphold it guilty of election fraud.

 

[DeadFish]

Honestly the whole system needs a rework. Everything else moved on with technology, but we're still reliant on this 19th century compromise that people mostly just accepted because of the limitations of the time.

Now I'm not advocating voting machines. Anyone who knows how modern technology works knows how vulnerable such a system becomes. But here are some options I think are rational and would help regain trust in the system.

Firstly you have surveillance cameras in all vote counting locales. In fact you should give a camera to each vote counter. This eliminates the need for on site challengers that during the current election where held back 20 feet because of the Covid panic.

Secondly all ballot boxes should be marked and put in a digital database available to the public, even the mail in ballots. This lets the public see exactly what came from each county and when. No more late night ballot boxes of unknown origin. No more mail in ballots coming in four days later.

why go through all that?

It would be easier for you to make your own group within the current system.

Get 150 people together. Form your own little mini government, go somewhere thats out of reach of the main one and go from there.

Its easier to stay small, its easier to stay low tech and most likely will become the norm once again.

Focus on your self and dont worry bout the rest of world.

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

And what will you do if we are right?

Claim everything was actually fraudulent but for Trump and that Trump appointees ruling in his favor at SCOTUS counts as rigging.

He'll deny and swear up and down like a boy scout at the moment though, but we all know how he'd really respond because he's done it already.

 

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Now I'm not advocating voting machines. Anyone who knows how modern technology works knows how vulnerable such a system becomes. But here are some options I think are rational and would help regain trust in the system.

Why not? Have the machines print a human-readable record of the vote that the user must review for random check auditing post-election, and full recounts if the outcome is disputed. Link them to a central state system over a VPN for up to the minute reporting, rather than relying on unofficial tallies from random companies paying temp workers minimum wage, which was the source of most of the idiotic claims from MAGAtards of 'spikes' in the 'voting data'.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I thought you said the lawyers under oath said there's no widespread voter fraud, not that there is no voter fraud? There's a clear distinction between the two, and even if the lawyers said that (let's say that's hypothetically true) that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Let's ask a simple question, is one case of voter fraud proof voter fraud exists? If yes, than almost anyone could attest that voter fraud does indeed exist, whether it's duplicate votes, double voting (as in moving from one state to vote in two different states), or even error-based fraud. Almost every election of every country I've ever seen has admitted to having some voter fraud, the distinction is that usually it's so small that it makes no difference to the real result. Heck even those Japanese Super Smash Bros. character polls had proof of voter fraud (alt accounts/repeat voting) from Sakurai.

From my own experience when voting this year, the pollsters didn't even ask for my id, or prove I was who I said I was when voting in my district. Most of the people in my district don't even know me which is heavily questionable in its own merits and against standard protocol. I could have easily had someone else claim to be me to vote under my name on the voter roll. Now imagine not knowing what protocols are being followed precisely and correct across the USA, and then tell me there are virtually 0 cases of voter fraud, and I'd argue you're being extremely naive.

It has nothing to do with believing or not believing Trump but understanding reality or that the system doesn't work as flawlessly as you'd think. Heck, I can't get the BBB and OSHA to preform their duties correctly and by the book, and you think any elections are running without shenanigans behinds the scenes?

Democrats often argue cops don't do their job correctly, businesses don't follow proper protocol, our legislators are corrupt, but somehow our voting system is squeaky clean? Something something X to doubt.

Well there was obviously a few isolated cases of voting fraud. What people mean when they say no evidence of voting fraud is no evidence of wide-spread voting fraud. There's 360 million people in the US, there's always going to be a few bad actors.

And what will you do if we are right?

Then I will admit you were right. I know you won't admit I am right because your cult leader said so, but I can try anyway. Will you do the same if I am right?

 

[I-chi]

Calm down, little guy. I know you're upset that your daddy lost, but you'll get over it.

"He rated me autistic, how DARE he make this egregious claim upon my character! I shall accuse him once again of Donald Trump being his father and surely this will show them all!"

 

[MrJokerRager]

This is getting even closer to reality.
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Trump crossing the Delaware is the best outcome. We overdue for the 3rd American revolution.

This is something I have to constantly drill into the heads of "mug free market" dweebs; these platforms don't make money, if there wasn't another agenda, they wouldn't keep hemorrhaging cash into it.

The biggest mistake was the original owners of YouTube selling it.

Well there is Rumble, Dlive, Bitchute and Vidlii now. Also Daily motion although I suspect it's pozzed. There was also metacafe back in the day.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

"He rated me autistic, how DARE he make this egregious claim upon my character! I shall accuse him once again of Donald Trump being his father and surely this will show them all!"

I never mentioned you neg-rating me. You sure seem mad, little guy. Is everything okay?

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

I mean you need to specifically say that if the footage isn't working then you need to audit that county or the votes from that county aren't valid. Make it state law and charge anyone who refused to uphold it guilty of election fraud.

Then you'll get the situation we have now where chain of custody will be destroyed and they will once again go "teehee, guess we can't track where these ballots came from! You wouldn't want to disenfranchise would you?"

Anything that is trying to fix shit after the fact is a shitty system and we're only having to do that now in places that intentionally put in place shitty systems that can be gamed. Trying to "fix" the situation with more shitty systems that would require audits after the fact is not an improvement.

Well there was obviously a few isolated cases of voting fraud. What people mean when they say no evidence of voting fraud is no evidence of wide-spread voting fraud. There's 360 million people in the US, there's always going to be a few bad actors.

You don't need "widespread" fraud in the US system to swing things. Also, you keep saying voting fraud when the issue is election fraud. Learn what the topic is that you're trolling about so your shitposts can actually pass snuff.

 

[An Avenging Bird]

I'm glad the potential is there for there not to be a Supreme Court decision per Jenna Ellis until possibly next month.
Means this thread can descend further into utter madness to my great personal delight.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

You don't need "widespread" fraud in the US system to swing things. Also, you keep saying voting fraud when the issue is election fraud. Learn what the topic is that you're trolling about so your shitposts can actually pass snuff.

Well, you should inform Trump's lawyers then since you're obviously a master of the law and can prove that the democrats cheated. Just accept it and I will stop laughing at your cope.

 

[Übertroon]

Why not? Have the machines print a human-readable record of the vote that the user must review for random check auditing post-election, and full recounts if the outcome is disputed. Link them to a central state system over a VPN for up to the minute reporting, rather than relying on unofficial tallies from random companies paying temp workers minimum wage, which was the source of most of the idiotic claims from MAGAtards of 'spikes' in the 'voting data'.

I wouldn't trust either the government nor private companies to run a linked voting machine system. Even if you print out the record, the printed out result is still going to be reliant on the code being legitimate.

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

From my own experience when voting this year, the pollsters didn't even ask for my id, or prove I was who I said I was when voting in my district.

How often do you vote? I've literally never once been asked to present my id, and the furthest 'proof' I ever had to give was spelling my last name afaik. This has been the case for a long, long fucking time and it's completely the poll workers' prerogative to ascertain you are who you say you are, within legal bounds. Now mind, I'm in favor of requiring ID to vote, but this isn't something new or unique.

Small-scale fraud occurs every single election at every single level - arguably even more consequential for local elections, given how much more important individual votes are. But if you can find a few hundred or even a few thousand votes that are verifiably fraudulent, you still lack the case to throw out -literally several million-. Or, to the tune this lawsuit has to achieve (if, indeed, its recommended redress even can be ordered during safe harbor), tens of millions of votes.

"Couldn't there maybe potentially have been a lot of fraud, if you think about it?" isn't going to run the gamut.

 

[Esophagus]

I never mentioned you neg-rating me. You sure seem mad, little guy. Is everything okay?

I dunno, you seemed butthurt and obsessive enough to look up every message I've made so far and give me the no-no stickers.

 

[Meat Target]

Trump crossing the Delaware is the best outcome. We overdue for the 3rd American revolution.

The biggest mistake was the original owners of YouTube selling it.

Well there is Rumble, Dlive, Bitchute and Vidlii now. Also Daily motion although I suspect it's pozzed. There was also metacafe back in the day.

I went to BitChute once. Conservatives exiling themselves to such a digital ghetto and mingling with loons like David Icke will just give the Left further ammo to hammer the "hurdurr conspeeracee theeoreeeees!" line by association.

 

[Inventor of the Telephone]

Suprised I haven't been beaten to this one yet but big tech has made their next move.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1336686560167800833?s=19

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YouTube is using the safe harbor date as an excuse to go after and shutdown content critical of the election. Information war's heating up just as the wheels begin to move in regards to SCOTUS. Between the way the media reacted and this and I'm expecting an attempt at a full blackout on the Texas case.

Personally I'm fully expecting to see this put into effect very shortly. I'm betting they're gonna make an example out of Crowder as like him or not he's probably most mainstream person covering the happenings in favor of Trump.

And I can very much see smaller creators like Baris and Styx getting this thrown at them. Heck Styx is already shadow banned so maybe they all the way with this. Good thing Baris wants to upgrade his site's ability to host video because he'll probably need it. Styx is established on Bitchute.

I'm not suprised by this but actually seeing it happen did kinda take me a back due to how brazen it is on so many levels.

"newsy late-night shows"
Santa Nasim was right about Youtube.

Okay thats a pretty big fucking yikes! Worried about what will probably happen next now.

How screwed is Baris?

What’s trending the US right now:
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This really is an existential crisis for the nation. Accept Biden and accept the most dystopic totalitarian regime the world has seen. In the near future there needs to be gulagsful of CEOs, professors, and journos or the nation is over. There is no acceptable outcome to this that doesn't include brief lifelong prison sentences for tens of thousands of people responsible for this treason.

I hate the term 'beyond the pale', but this is that.

Why would the alphabet agencies run a shell company named after themselves?
Why?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfWxORracT8

Chutzpah is a helluva drug. When you can rub it in their faces, knowing that they can't do anything about it, must feel fantastic.

 

[JambledUpWords]

I never said there was Russian collusion. I even have said, on here, that there wasn't. The only thing Russia did was make some fake users and if that's enough to swing an election, then your candidate (Hillary) sucked.

Lol at least you admit that you refuse to change your mind in spite of any evidence (or lack of evidence). You're like Chris Chan. I can tell this is your first election

I brought up the Russian Collusion because it argued similar things, such as the election being tampered with. It was a comparison.

Also, I could say the same about you in refusing to change your mind. Users on here have shown videos, court documents, and statistical analysis to show how faulty this election process was. Finally, you understand that being told you’re like Chris Chan on the Farms is a tad redundant? Everyone here is pretty autistic for even having a Farms account, so in a way, we’re all like Chris Chan.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I dunno, you seemed butthurt and obsessive enough to look up every message I've made so far and give me the no-no stickers.

Lol you're the one going through my post history and neg-rating me, so I was curious who you were. Or are you just another Corbin alt?

How often do you vote? I've literally never once been asked to present my id, and the furthest 'proof' I ever had to give was spelling my last name afaik. This has been the case for a long, long fucking time and it's completely the poll workers' prerogative to ascertain you are who you say you are, within legal bounds. Now mind, I'm in favor of requiring ID to vote, but this isn't something new or unique.

Small-scale fraud occurs every single election at every single level - arguably even more consequential for local elections, given how much more important individual votes are. But if you can find a few hundred or even a few thousand votes that are verifiably fraudulent, you still lack the case to throw out -literally several million-. Or, to the tune this lawsuit has to achieve (if, indeed, its recommended redress even can be ordered during safe harbor), tens of millions of votes.

"Couldn't there maybe potentially have been a lot of fraud, if you think about it?" isn't going to run the gamut.

This seems to be a lot of people's first elections, based on how they don't know how they work.

 

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I went to BitChute once. Conservatives exiling themselves to such a ghetto and mingling with loons like David Icke will just give the Left further ammo to hammer the "hurdurr conspeeracee theeoreeeees!" line by association.

There's a Slate Star Codex for that.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservative-the-eternal-struggle/

With the denounment:

Stanford historian Robert Conquest once declared it a law of politics that “any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing”. I have no idea why this should be true, and yet I’ve seen it again and again. Taken to its extreme, it suggests we’ll end up with a bunch of neutral organizations that have become left-wing, plus a few explicitly right-wing organizations. Given that Conquest was writing in the 1960s, he seems to have predicted the current situation remarkably well.

David Roberts ends by noting that he doesn’t really know what to do here, and I agree. I don’t know what to do here either.

But one simple heuristic: if everything you’ve tried so far has failed, maybe you should try something different. Right now, the neutral gatekeeper institutions have tried being biased against conservatives. They’ve tried showing anti-conservative bias. They’ve tried ramping up the conservativism-related bias level. They’ve tried taking articles, and biasing them against conservative positions. I appreciate their commitment to multiple diverse strategies, but I can’t help but wonder whether there’s a possibility they’ve missed.

Look. I read Twitter. I know the sorts of complaints people have about this blog. I’m some kind of crypto-conservative, I’m a traitor to liberalism, I’m too quick to sell out under the guise of “compromise”. And I understand the sentiment. I write a lot about how we shouldn’t get our enemies fired lest they try to fire us, how we shouldn’t get our enemies’ campus speakers disinvited lest they try to disinvite ours, how we shouldn’t use deceit and hyperbole to push our policies lest our enemies try to push theirs the same way. And people very reasonably ask – hey, I notice my side kind of controls all of this stuff, the situation is actually asymmetrical, they have no way of retaliating, maybe we should just grind our enemies beneath our boots this one time.

And then when it turns out that the enemies can just leave and start their own institutions, with horrendous results for everybody, the cry goes up “Wait, that’s unfair! Nobody ever said you could do that! Come back so we can grind you beneath our boots some more!”

Conservatives aren’t stuck in here with us. We’re stuck in here with them. And so far it’s not going so well. I’m not sure if any of this can be reversed. But I think maybe we should consider to what degree we are in a hole, and if so, to what degree we want to stop digging.