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ElUltimoMohicano said:
So the thing is, doing the whole "insult as a form of camraderie" thing only works with actual good friends of yours, and in specific designated spaces like the farms and the chans.

Saying "Man she's even worse than me." as one of the first things you say in chat for a streamer, especially when you have no overlap of fanbase, is a good way for your joke to land flat on its ass and just sound like an insult.
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Yes, hence autism. Him announcing to his twitter that he cancelled his stream, which coincided with a link to Ina’s stream, really didn’t help matters. Gravemind put it best when he said it was a streaming culture clash. That he probably got some falseflaggers posing as takos attacking him after he tried apologizing doesn’t help much to mend the culutral rift.
 
Potatohead said:
That he probably got some falseflaggers posing as takos attacking him after he tried apologizing doesn’t help much to mend the culutral rift.
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I mean, I saw a small handful of month+ members and regulars in Ina's Discord brigading against him as well, and almost nobody stepping in to tell them to calm their asses down.

Unrelated to the Jolly thing but more to the fact that Ina's community has some self-appointed "police", there were even some people waggling their asses during her Smash with members stream shittalking the people who were upset about not being able to join her lobby with the usual brand of "lol you're all crybabies, none of you are ENTITLED to be able to play with her so don't cry about it when you can't get in!" smug bullshit at people just being bummed that they weren't able to play with her.
 
ElUltimoMohicano said:
If we're playing that game, black men in America do it far more than white men.
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Brits and Northeast US men, too. By-and-large, though, be friends first, then bust balls.

Potatohead said:
Yes, hence autism. Him announcing to his twitter that he cancelled his stream, which coincided with a link to Ina’s stream, really didn’t help matters. Gravemind put it best when he said it was a streaming culture clash. That he probably got some falseflaggers posing as takos attacking him after he tried apologizing doesn’t help much to mend the culutral rift.
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This "culture clash" is annoying as hell. Both the YT community and the Twitch community are full of imbeciles who can't stop being up their own asses long enough to actually compromise. I don't mind Twitch culture but the amount of mental children I've seen bitching about the YT community rules and then breaking the rules anyway paints about as bad a picture of them as the inflexibly stuck-up and anal behavior does the YT community.

Gravemind said:
I mean, I saw a small handful of month+ members and regulars in Ina's Discord brigading against him as well, and almost nobody stepping in to tell them to calm their asses down.
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I noticed some time ago in some of the fan Discord servers the "leadership" always insisted on ignoring bad behavior and just "reporting it" instead. Report what to whom, I'm not sure but it appears to have been the server mods. This was primarily aimed at their own community at the time but grew to encompass the PRC antis. I have no doubt that the reason viewers never told the brigade to chill was because they were too busy "reporting" on Discord to the server mods. No idea what that would do if they didn't have mod powers over the YT chat. I'm not in Ina's server, either, so I have no idea whether or not the mods there are like that or are actually themselves part of the brigades and smug fan police but it wouldn't surprise me either way.
 
Gravemind said:
Unrelated to the Jolly thing but more to the fact that Ina's community has some self-appointed "police", there were even some people waggling their asses during her Smash with members stream shittalking the people who were upset about not being able to join her lobby with the usual brand of "lol you're all crybabies, none of you are ENTITLED to be able to play with her so don't cry about it when you can't get in!" smug bullshit at people just being bummed that they weren't able to play with her.
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...okay, yeah, that sounds like General takos then. Because what I saw was a bunch of takos congratulating each others play and characters, and sticking around after the stream had ended to play Smash for a thread or two. Camaraderie instead of superiority, a literal night and day difference.

Are you talking strictly about chat, or of a discord? If the latter, how did they react to OC?

Jaeger said:
This "culture clash" is annoying as hell. Both the YT community and the Twitch community are full of imbeciles who can't stop being up their own asses long enough to actually compromise. I don't mind Twitch culture but the amount of mental children I've seen bitching about the YT community rules and then breaking the rules anyway paints about as bad a picture of them as the inflexibly stuck-up and anal behavior does the YT community.
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I do think objectively Twitch offers a better streaming experience but their userbase is fucking awful.
 
Looks like in about an hour and a half, ProjektMelody, the girl that had to pause Portal 2 because it stressed her out too much, is allergic to FPS games, and ended a month-long DDLC collab because it depicted suicide on screen, will be trying her hand on Cyberpunk 2077...

This could get interesting.

Also:


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I wish deergirl had got bigger before she got cancelled
 
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Gisae said:
Hot damn, are Calli's fans that cancerous?

Makes me wonder what's the general "atmosphere" of all Holo's unofficial fan discords
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I'm in those discords as well, not sure how many more there are that lurk there but I'm of the opinion that there are a fair bit that are in all of them. Communities tend to overlap a lot, and I've already openly admitted to having my fingers in a lot of pies and being able to read the room based on what community I take part in at any given time.

The EN discords I think are the worst of it. I haven't seen Ina's personally because I'm really only in Calli's as well as a dedicated Karen discord to discuss her work without maintaining kayfabe but I can definitely say that quite a few regulars are basically pity and attention whores, who are more than a little obsessed with Calli...which I can kind of understand, since I tend to get along with Karen's personality pretty well since she reminds me of my ex a bit, but nobody on any fan community is gonna stick their dick in her so they had better just keep that shit to themselves.
Gravemind said:
Do you know where you are? Plenty of people in this very thread do much the same, I'd wager. I know for a fact I'm not the only one, but I'm not about to start naming names here.


Jaeger has the right of it, at least as far as Calli's fans go. There's a small handful of people not afraid to tell the mentally ill to get their shit together, but it's also frequently said with that same, hugboxy sentiment of "learn to love yourself" just as everyone else does as well. It's been getting a little annoying, truth be told.
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Maybe the only way they'll learn is if they find out their oshi fucking hates that shit. I talked a bit about it but there's a reason why I refer to the shit I have as a condition and not an illness. Illness evokes pity and I don't want to be pitied for something that's as natural to me as breathing.
Aside from the whole song being her railing against that shit, "Don't you know that idol rapper is such an oxymoron" has gotta be the funniest fucking line knowing what she's doing now.
Gravemind said:
I mean, I saw a small handful of month+ members and regulars in Ina's Discord brigading against him as well, and almost nobody stepping in to tell them to calm their asses down.

Unrelated to the Jolly thing but more to the fact that Ina's community has some self-appointed "police", there were even some people waggling their asses during her Smash with members stream shittalking the people who were upset about not being able to join her lobby with the usual brand of "lol you're all crybabies, none of you are ENTITLED to be able to play with her so don't cry about it when you can't get in!" smug bullshit at people just being bummed that they weren't able to play with her.
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Surprised that shit happens with Ina's community of all people, but then again, she attracts artists.

That said, I do remember there was one guy who was constantly being shit on when any girl played Among Us. He'd somehow get into a game once a stream and brag that it was his "fast typing skills" when he was just botting and would basically spend his time just harassing the the talent and metagaming the shit just to prove he was better than everyone. I'm kinda glad they all dropped that game, but it seems that shitheads like that exist even if they're paying to be there. You'd think if you were paying to be there (in terms of the membership streams) that you'd actually act like a decent fucking person and respect the talent, but I guess they'll give any fuckhead a credit card.
 
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The One And Only SALTE said:
The EN discords I think are the worst of it. I haven't seen Ina's personally because I'm really only in Calli's as well as a dedicated Karen discord to discuss her work without maintaining kayfabe
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Dice has a Discord server? Couldn't find any from my 5 seconds of googling
 
Rednax Kyuu said:
Who do y'all think will be the first JP/EN Holo to Graduate? (yeah i know about chris and aloe but disregard em)
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Before their cancellation I would've said "literally any HoloCN member except maybe Civia" because honestly besides her, Artia, and Yogiri, they were all forgettable. If it were just a matter of numbers, I'd say probably Choco or Iofi, maybe even Flare. They are all wildly overlooked. If Flare x Noel wasn't such a steady stream of yuribait, I suspect she would've left already. Luna's health problems are affecting her ability to work normally, in fact sitting all day at the computer might be one of the causes, so she's a suspect. Suisei, Mel, and Ayame all have things going on besides vtubing and are less invested into it, so I'm willing to bet leaving would have a smaller personal and professional impact. Coco and Korone both have the means to thrive outside of Cover's umbrella. Coco would probably face less bugmen harassment if she left, and as an indie, Korone could play games she might never be able to. A while ago I may have agreed with lolcow that Kiara lacks the temperment to survive as a corporate chuba, but it's worked out for the better since then. I don't know much about the Holostars but they seem to have an easier time leaving the company than the girls.

tl;dr - there are a few who may and a couple who could, but I don't think any of them are on the chopping block.
Gisae said:
Putting my bets on Luna, she always sounds like she's dying after talking for 10 seconds

To flip the question though which Holo do you think will last the longest? There I'm betting on the entirety of gen 3
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The shut-ins are in for good. Aqua, Pekora, Moona, Haato, Kanata, and Okayu will probably keep going until Hololive is finished.
 
Gisae said:
Dice has a Discord server? Couldn't find any from my 5 seconds of googling
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Found her discord server that was connected with her patreon as demon dice, through google,

It was apparently called; Satan's Rap Dungeon.

If anyone want to dig deeper go ahead.
 
Potatohead said:
I do think objectively Twitch offers a better streaming experience but their userbase is fucking awful.
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I've been fortunate not to run into them. I focus on small-time streamers with less than 500 followers and most of those are Korean and Japanese, but even then, there have been some viewer-bases that turned me off. Overall, though, Twitch feels more intimate than YT and it is easier to find the small streamers there.
Girlboy69 said:
Decided to check back in with Kraken because I have fuck-all to do atm. Fantastic shit.
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I love how people write these elementary school apology essays. The entire generation has been institutionalized. Meanwhile, none of them actually learn anything or change their behaviors.

The One And Only SALTE said:
...I can definitely say that quite a few regulars are basically pity and attention whores, who are more than a little obsessed with Calli...which I can kind of understand... but nobody on any fan community is gonna stick their dick in her so they had better just keep that shit to themselves.
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She reminds me of a lot of girls I've known. Half the reason she's lonely is because all the guys she could date are legit spergtards or she's just flat-out not interested in them. In the case of the former, she's smart but in the latter, it's her own damn fault, really. These girls kind of generate a rotating group of pathetic types hoping to "heal one-another's loneliness" that get bored when they realize they have no chance and then mope elsewhere. While those guys are around, she enjoys the attention but that's about it. I guarantee those types show up in a lot of these fanbases but infest hers especially. As for dating anybody within the fanbase... that would be beyond retarded and I doubt she'd do that.
 
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Potatohead said:
Are you talking strictly about chat, or of a discord? If the latter, how did they react to OC?
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It was in stream chat that time. I try not to keep a close eye on her fan Discord since it gave me some weird vibes starting out, and then that first HL2 stream made me a bit irritated at the Tentacult for their own conduct.

The One And Only SALTE said:
Maybe the only way they'll learn is if they find out their oshi fucking hates that shit. I talked a bit about it but there's a reason why I refer to the shit I have as a condition and not an illness. Illness evokes pity and I don't want to be pitied for something that's as natural to me as breathing.
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A lot of them do already know that it's Karen behind the reaper and they're well aware of, and frequently listen to, her old discography, "Sick Outta Fashion" included (given that I've seen them analyze the song at least one occasion before). You'd think they'd key into the fact that she's not about that bullshit with how devotedly they seem to follow her, but, like you pointed out just before that, a lot of them seriously ride that pity and attention whoring train for all its worth, which kind of makes their intent pretty transparent.

Few of them have even pulled some really spergy shit in the last week alone that should make any sane person doubt anything they say about themselves going forward. But the hugbox they've surrounded themselves with is gonna hugbox in spite of everything, so, what can you do.

The One And Only SALTE said:
You'd think if you were paying to be there (in terms of the membership streams) that you'd actually act like a decent fucking person and respect the talent, but I guess they'll give any fuckhead a credit card.
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I mean, credit/debit cards are never issued based on moral fiber and personal conduct, and the internet has a long established history of people "paying to play," so to speak, just to shit in the butter churn. Never doubt the lengths any one individual will go to in order to attain their "lulz". Or for whatever other strange reasons drive them.

Gisae said:
Dice has a Discord server? Couldn't find any from my 5 seconds of googling
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Sign up for membership on her YouTube channel.
 
The One And Only SALTE said:
I'm really only in Calli's as well as a dedicated Karen discord to discuss her work without maintaining kayfabe but I can definitely say that quite a few regulars are basically pity and attention whores, who are more than a little obsessed with Calli...which I can kind of understand, since I tend to get along with Karen's personality pretty well since she reminds me of my ex a bit, but nobody on any fan community is gonna stick their dick in her so they had better just keep that shit to themselves.
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The One And Only SALTE said:
Maybe the only way they'll learn is if they find out their oshi fucking hates that shit. I talked a bit about it but there's a reason why I refer to the shit I have as a condition and not an illness. Illness evokes pity and I don't want to be pitied for something that's as natural to me as breathing.
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And i almost wanted to ask for a link.

As much as i want to talk about Karen's work, doing it with such kinds of people seems a bit unnerving, I hate being pitied myself, and last thing i want to bother is with someone being a snowflake or a horny fuck that can't keep it to themselves.

I guess I'll just continue enjoying her music on my own.
 
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RandomTrixie said:
And i almost wanted to ask for a link.

As much as i want to talk about Karen's work, doing it with such kinds of people seems a bit unnerving, I hate being pitied myself, and last thing i want to bother is with someone being a snowflake or a horny fuck that can't keep it to themselves.

I guess I'll just continue enjoying her music on my own.
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Let's MAKE one

Depression and simping officially banned, only Hazy Skyscraper-posting allowed
 
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