2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[heyitsmike]

Could we get some additional input from the veterans @JosephStalin, @Jet Fuel Johnny and @heyitsmike about this. Also other veterans please give us your thoughts.

The military would not be involved in this. Just as in the Civil War, the Union Army did not fight the people of the Confederate states, they fought the army of Confederate states.

If the US military somehow did get involved, it would be on Biden's orders. Him turning the military loose on civilians is not something that would be received well, domestically or internationally.

And the military would lose. Yes, the military has tanks and bigger guns, but they're useless in such a situation. Who would the military need to use a tank against? Cilivian houses?

It would not be traditional warfare, it would be guerrilla warfare, which favors quantity, not quality. The civilian population has orders of magnitude more weapons and ammunition and people than the military does. There are more civilian guns than people in America. I can assure you, the military does not have 325 million guns, nor would they have enough people to shoot all of them even if they did.

 

[All becomes gunt]

The military would not be involved in this. Just as in the Civil War, the Union Army did not fight the people of the Confederate states, they fought the army of Confederate states.

If the US military somehow did get involved, it would be on Biden's orders. Him turning the military loose on civilians is not something that would be received well, domestically or internationally.

And the military would lose. Yes, the military has tanks and bigger guns, but they're useless in such a situation. Who would the military need to use a tank against? Cilivian houses?

It would not be traditional warfare, it would be guerrilla warfare, which favors quantity, not quality. The civilian population has orders of magnitude more weapons and ammunition and people than the military does. There are more civilian guns than people in America. I can assure you, the military does not have 325 million guns, nor would they have enough people to shoot all of them even if they did.

Also the military is bound to have a lot of defectors in these scenarios due to family, affiliations, etc. while the civies don't have an inclination to defect to the other side. That is of course reinforced with the fact that the American Military is more like mercenaries rather than people fighting for a cause.

 

[Gehenna]

The military would not be involved in this. Just as in the Civil War, the Union Army did not fight the people of the Confederate states, they fought the army of Confederate states.

If the US military somehow did get involved, it would be on Biden's orders. Him turning the military loose on civilians is not something that would be received well, domestically or internationally.

And the military would lose. Yes, the military has tanks and bigger guns, but they're useless in such a situation. Who would the military need to use a tank against? Cilivian houses?

It would not be traditional warfare, it would be guerrilla warfare, which favors quantity, not quality. The civilian population has orders of magnitude more weapons and ammunition and people than the military does. There are more civilian guns than people in America. I can assure you, the military does not have 325 million guns, nor would they have enough people to shoot all of them even if they did.

Piggy backing on this as a veteran, the hard part of any such action isn't really fighting. The hard part is even convincing the military TOO fight. "Hey Sergeant Dipshit, go shoot up that house over there we think has insurgents" is going to go well with approximately 0% of the army when done on home turf.

Mass Demoralization and desertion would follow any attempt to wield the army against the U.S. people.

And don't get me started on how much the upper brass would balk.

 

[heyitsmike]

Also the military is bound to have a lot of defectors in these scenarios due to family, affiliations, etc. while the civies don't have an inclination to defect to the other side. That is of course reinforced with the fact that the American Military is more like mercenaries rather than people fighting for a cause.

Piggy backing on this as a veteran, the hard part of any such action isn't really fighting. The hard part is even convincing the military TOO fight. "Hey Sergeant Dipshit, go shoot up that house over there we think has insurgents" is going to go well with approximately 0% of the army when done on home turf.

Mass Demoralization and desertion would follow any attempt to wield the army against the U.S. people.

And don't get me started on how much the upper brass would balk.

Yeah, you tell a bunch of Texans stationed at Fort Hood to go shoot up the people resisting, the kind of people they call friends and family, and see how well that goes.

The biggest winner in such a situation would be recruiters for the Texas National Guard, who will make their quota for the entire decade by lunch time.

And they do have tanks.

 

[jje100010001]

The White Army in the Russian Civil War's biggest problem was that despite being more popular and more righteous than the tyrant Lenin and his Red thugs, the Whites were too wracked with in-fighting and were too "Big Tent" for their own good. You had old-school Tsarists, Orthodox Christians, supporters of the old Provisional Government, classical liberals, Muslims, Cossacks, there were even social democrats and Jews in the White Movement who didn't like the Tsar or the provisional government but wisely realized Lenin and the Bolsheviks would be far worse than the old Tsarist regime.

Plus, Russian cities in the 1910's were more self-reliant than American cities in the 2010's. The only major infrastructure systems that were of concern were the railroads, which Lenin made sure to target.

America has the issues of interstate highways, highly mechanized agriculture, three large power grids, and internet communications just to name a few things

Right now, it's the Dems who are stuck in the Whites' position of being too internally divided with multiple factions squabbling amongst themselves while the Right is far more unified for the time being, simply due to the threat of the Woke Left and their zealotry

At this point there's two paths- SCOTUS votes in favor of Trump and the Dems refuse to stand down, or vice-versa (though the latter is less likely due to the likely media/establishment pressure to conceed). My opinion if things are not resolved within system limitations and the standoff continues:

Side Repub:
- State Governments- 24
- Majority of Republicans
- State Police
- Rural counties militias & police

Side Dems:
- State Governments- 26
- State Police- depends on how things initially go- will be ordered to keep roads and railways open if things get out of control
- Washington DC establishment and bureaucracy
- Nevertrumpers & Neocons
- Majority of Democrats- don't care about the fraud as long as their chosen candidates (national/local) won. Finis coronat opus.
- 'Antifa' (as the militant wing of the Democrats)
- Mainstream Media
- China- A weak Biden that favors them is in their interests
- Big Tech- will be trying to keep their privileges under Biden

Unsure:
- Military- depends on the ability of command to control soldiers, how compromised command is, and how things initially go
- National Guard- depending on orders
- Urban Police- depends on whether they follow rules or not- history tends to put them as favoring the local establishment
- Anarchists- they'll look for openings regardless for chaos- Dems will try to crack down on them
- Wall Street- both sides favor them regardless- will try to get this resolved quickly as a situation like this causes uncertainty
- Corporations- will likely stay neutral to avoid this mess, or will urge unity- this is generally bad for business
- Most Americans- will try to keep their heads down and hope this blows over quickly
- Russia- maximizing chaos benefits them

 

[murdered meat bag]

This Trump comeback is a great example. The left has NO FUCKING CLUE what's going on. They think it's just another lolsuit and he's about to be 0 and 50 instead of 0 and 49. If he successfully does anything it's going to come from fucking nowhere to the left and I have no idea what they're gonna do when reality intrudes on the delusions, but "to arms, to arms, he's stealing the country like a dictator" isn't impossible.

There's a ticktock video where some teenage faggot is crying about his parents. "my parents had the gall to ask me 'we feed you, we clothe you, we put a roof over your head, isn't that good enough?'. YOU'RE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO DO THAT, THAT'S THE LAW, WHY WOULD I THANK YOU FOR DOING THE BARE MINIMUM".

that's the left. they're not going to fight, they expect the us military to fight for them. they're going to demand to be rear echelon officers planning holiday parties, socjus field manuals and training presentations and the like.

 

[Secret Asshole]

There's a ticktock video where some teenage faggot is crying about his parents. "my parents had the gall to ask me 'we feed you, we clothe you, we put a roof over your head, isn't that good enough?'. YOU'RE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO DO THAT, THAT'S THE LAW, WHY WOULD I THANK YOU FOR DOING THE BARE MINIMUM".

that's the left. they're not going to fight, they expect the us military to fight for them. they're going to demand to be rear echelon officers planning holiday parties, socjus field manuals and training presentations and the like.

The modern left is ENTIRELY appeal to authority. It was designed this way because it gives authority maximum power and control. You think if the police started caving protester's faces in with batons and the state and feds covered for them that ANTIFA would be protesting over a dead criminal? Fuck no.

Look at every piece of 'activism' they do. The VAST majority of it is sitting on their ass whining to the people in charge. And when the people in charge ignore them? Well...they do nothing, because that's all they have. Its effective at creating needy retards, but that's about it.

It all goes to shit when you need them to, you know, actually accomplish something.

 

[Syaoran Li]

There's a ticktock video where some teenage faggot is crying about his parents. "my parents had the gall to ask me 'we feed you, we clothe you, we put a roof over your head, isn't that good enough?'. YOU'RE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO DO THAT, THAT'S THE LAW, WHY WOULD I THANK YOU FOR DOING THE BARE MINIMUM".

that's the left. they're not going to fight, they expect the us military to fight for them. they're going to demand to be rear echelon officers planning holiday parties, socjus field manuals and training presentations and the like.

At best, I could see the more hardliner elements of the Woke Left like Antifa and BLM or inner-city jogger street gangs under the BLM flag doing rear-guard action in cities and deep-blue suburbs along the West Coast and Northeast.

In this hypothetical scenario, they'd at best be supplemental units for the military and paramilitary elements loyal to the DNC establishment or would be used as urban militias. Basically, they'd be like the Volkssturm in the final year of World War II.

Even then, to get BLM and Antifa to actively support any government forces would require either brute conscription or hefty bribery. They're hostile towards cops and soldiers no matter what, even ones that friendly or lenient towards them (see Portland) or in Portland's specific case, actively collude with them.

Still, I think the SCOTUS decision will resolve a lot of this. If they rule in Trump's favor and Trump actually does get a second term, that alone will be a massive blackpill that will demoralize most of the Woke Left outside a few hotspots like Portland and NYC, which can probably be quelled via Insurrection Act within a few weeks.

I'm curious if the Insurrection Act allows total override of state authority, because if that's the case, I'd use that to fully pardon Kyle Rittenhouse if I were Trump and then proceed to give him the Medal of Freedom

 

[Confused Doggo]

There's a ticktock video where some teenage faggot is crying about his parents. "my parents had the gall to ask me 'we feed you, we clothe you, we put a roof over your head, isn't that good enough?'. YOU'RE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO DO THAT, THAT'S THE LAW, WHY WOULD I THANK YOU FOR DOING THE BARE MINIMUM".

He should thank them for putting up with his whiny, self-entitled bullshit.

 

[Mr Cuddles]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexLawsonOFD/status/1337168424871530497

Looks like more regret coming the antifa/blm camp on voting for Biden. If SCOTUS gives Texas and thus Trump a favourable ruling I'm not sure how much rioting there might be. On Nov 4th, yea it would have been a shitstorm, but over the last month he really has pissed away a lot of his support.

Riots would have to be fueled by TDS alone and that's still going to give a fair bit but much short of a civil war.

 

[ChefKiss]

If Trump ends up winning a second term because of the Texas lawsuit, I can see a fuckton of devoted liberals (mostly from Austin) and former 'fornians packing up and leaving for somewhere like Colorado or some shit out of immediate pain and anger that their "president elect" ended up losing anyway, and that the state that they pay taxes in played a big part in it. The retardation followed by the moving vans heading for the sunset would be awesome to behold. It's not like "moving to Canada" where you are going through the emigration process on top of moving, so there is a significant chance of someone declaring that they are moving to another state actually doing it. It would be the solution to the blue invasion problem, or at lease help some.

Sadly I doubt they'll fuck off even then. These are all the same cunts who said they'd leave america if Trump won. All their virtue signalling and assorted bullshit is just a mask for the fact tat they're completely self serving and will just do whatever works best for them in the end. Every one of these twats think someone else will do the fighting and dying for them, after all they're too important for it.

 

[It's HK-47]

The modern left is ENTIRELY appeal to authority. It was designed this way because it gives authority maximum power and control. You think if the police started caving protester's faces in with batons and the state and feds covered for them that ANTIFA would be protesting over a dead criminal? Fuck no.

Look at every piece of 'activism' they do. The VAST majority of it is sitting on their ass whining to the people in charge. And when the people in charge ignore them? Well...they do nothing, because that's all they have. Its effective at creating needy retards, but that's about it.

It all goes to shit when you need them to, you know, actually accomplish something.

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Right up until Antifa outlived its usefulness, and now even Ted "I am Antifa" Wheeler of Portland cracks down on them like an iron fist. It sounds almost hyperbolic, but sects of the Democratic party used Antifa exactly the same way that they've been "used" all throughout history: Let them run completely amok, let them smash and burn and murder and then once they've driven out the opposition and beaten the fear into them that you will be targeted if you go against the grain, eradicate them.

Crack down on them, throw them in the prisons, strike every name from every book and paint yourself as the saviour who re-established order. Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of history has already seen this song and dance play out several times. They are the very definition of a useful idiot.

 

[Syaoran Li]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexLawsonOFD/status/1337168424871530497

Looks like more regret coming the antifa/blm camp on voting for Biden. If SCOTUS gives Texas and thus Trump a favourable ruling I'm not sure how much rioting there might be. On Nov 4th, yea it would have been a shitstorm, but over the last month he really has pissed away a lot of his support.

Riots would have to be fueled by TDS alone and that's still going to give a fair bit but much short of a civil war.

If SCOTUS rules in favor of Texas, I could see a brief wave of rioting in some hotspots but I honestly think the bulk of politically motivated deaths would be suicides.

The Woke Left is full of batshit insane people and 2020 has been a very rough year for most people, so if they get four more years of Trump despite being assured of a Biden victory, I would not be surprised if the more emotionally unstable ones start going off the deep end and harming themselves.

 

[Gehenna]

If SCOTUS rules in favor of Texas, I could see a brief wave of rioting in some hotspots but I honestly think the bulk of politically motivated deaths would be suicides.

The Woke Left is full of batshit insane people and 2020 has been a very rough year for most people, so if they get four more years of Trump despite being assured of a Biden victory, I would not be surprised if the more emotionally unstable ones start going off the deep end and harming themselves.

I predicted well back when that if Trump does somehow win the suicide rate is going to skyrocket for about a year.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

I'm curious if the Insurrection Act allows total override of state authority, because if that's the case, I'd use that to fully pardon Kyle Rittenhouse if I were Trump and then proceed to give him the Medal of Freedom

It does seem like it allows for the president to federalize National Guard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807

The Insurrection Act of 1807 is a United States federal law (10 U.S.C. §§ 251–255; prior to 2016, 10 U.S.C. §§ 331–335; amended 2006, 2007) that empowers the President of the United States to deploy U.S. military and federalized National Guard troops within the United States in particular circumstances, such as to suppress civil disorder, insurrection and rebellion.

The act provides a "statutory exception" to the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which limits the use of military personnel under federal command for law enforcement purposes within the United States.[1][2]

Before invoking the powers under the Act, 10 U.S.C. § 254 requires the President to first publish a proclamation ordering the insurgents to disperse. As part of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, these provisions are now codified as amended.

In a MAXIMUM TURMOIL situation, he could even impose military governors as was done during Reconstruction. I'm sure that's a purely hypothetical scenario now.

 

[Boobie Bomb]

If SCOTUS rules in favor of Texas, I could see a brief wave of rioting in some hotspots but I honestly think the bulk of politically motivated deaths would be suicides.

The Woke Left is full of batshit insane people and 2020 has been a very rough year for most people, so if they get four more years of Trump despite being assured of a Biden victory, I would not be surprised if the more emotionally unstable ones start going off the deep end and harming themselves.

If anything? Trump will use the laws of Merica to clap any future "protests" by prison rape and shooting them in the head. A dead commie is better than a living BBC

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

From Montana's Republican governor lol

 

[murdered meat bag]

does scotus announce their decision to hear the case today?

 

[I-chi]

As much as I enjoy a good round of fantasizing the lamentations and destruction of my enemies to cheer me up on a cold winter's morning; let's save that for if the SCOTUS doesn't cuck out. Don't give the faggots the satisfaction if 2020 shits itself.

On that note, do we have a time frame on a ruling insofar as actually approving the case for review? I've heard some folks toss around a possible full weekend to deliberate, but I'm assuming the intent is to Yes or No it as much before the 14th as possible.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

does scotus announce their decision to hear the case today?

I think it's basically up to them. Mind you if they're going to do anything I think they have to do it before the December 14th electoral college vote or issue an injunction to stop that vote from happening. Then again it's the SCOTUS so theoretically they could let it happen and then undo it.