2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Esophagus said:
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Yep it's there. Are they trying to get rid of Joe early or do they feel the ship is sinking?
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Since spring? Well shit.
Gustav Schuchardt said:
The fact that Hunter got charged shows the Joe ship is sinking. If the FBI knew he was going to POTUS and would have pardon power they'd never have charged his son. And the media would have said any allegations against him are a conspiracy theory.

Since he's been charged and the media are reporting it, itimplies that Joe might not be POTUS.
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Or Trump is making a poison pill for Biden. Biden shuts down the probe, it makes people wonder if there was something to it. Biden allows it to nail his baby boy and everyone starts wondering about Biden.

Media gets a black eye because they blatently lied. DNC establishment is doubted because they helped cover it up.

Strategically it would be better for Democrats to concede rather than have Biden flop around like a fish in the White House.
 
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A Security Guard said:
New California? That would be the State of Jefferson, right? But what's New Nevada? Nevada without Las Vegas (and possibly Reno)?
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BASADO

IMO urban areas honestly need to be their own state-equivalent territories like in many other countries; otherwise you end up Chicago/Atlanta/New Yorkfying a state. Simultaneously, you also end up with cultural conflicts between urban and rural priorities.

It's something that honestly should have been done a long time ago, and is source for a lot of political enmity.
 
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Gehenna said:
CORRECT!

Though less so on valid. As they were never opposed, they cannot be deemed invalid, as they have been made valid through common consent.
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Right, but like... that's just what happens here if none of the fraud claims are sustained, too.
murdered meat bag said:
it's too much work isn't an objection to the process. you could do all that and in the end prove its poisoned or not. or, like i said, you can save time and drink it. if you're poisoned, it's poisoned, if not, its not. the same applies to your objection that sig match audits cost too much and would take too much time. that's not an objection to the process either.
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Right. The 'save time and drink it' here would be to just verify the results because you were unable to get any courts to compel the state to not certify the results of their election (or get any to compel the state to do something like the signature audit).


we reject the recount because the ballots themselves are in question. which is why we want a sig match to verify the ballots. the slippery slope here is a fallacy because it doesn't follow that we'd find something else to object to if the sig match didn't go our way.

we contend that all the ballots are fucked, not just the mail in, because signature matching was poorly performed or not performed at all. Barnes went through the contentions pretty well in various viva frei and richard barris videos.
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It also doesn't follow that you wouldn't, because other forms of audits thusfar have failed to alleviate claims of fraud on their grounds - IE, people still believe that thousands of fake ballots were conjured from thin air, despite audits which went through and matched individual SSNs to their voting choices.

A signature match re-run runs the same margin of human error that occurred in the initial run, except with more faultlines. Now you need to figure out which envelope aligns with which ballot for individuals who share the same name, and then you get the margin of human error that happened the first run-through.

A court could order the state to conduct such an audit, but you've yet to make a case that convinced any of them - this is again why I assert that youtube videos are not great if you're trying to make a legal argument. You contend that, but thusfar literally no relevant body of authority agrees with your contention, with the exception of one case in GA.

this is why you lay out the premise before you start debating. religious debates work because the debaters are arguing from the same premise.

the water bottle works because you bothered to lay out the premise. if you laid out the premises for a religious debate you could debate to the same degree.
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In a debate, you can easily start with the baseline of "we can't ever truly know" because the consequence of a debate doesn't really exist. You can't do that when considering law or litigation, really, because you need -something- to consider as the status quo if an assertion fails to be sustained.

there is no baseline. in 2018 north carolina, any fraud meant the election had to be thrown out. in the run up to the 2020 election, any mismatched signatures kept the greens and kayne off the ballot. in the 2020 election, people are saying signature matches aren't doable and aren't actionable. there is no baseline.

coffee county,ga and wayne county, mi can't balance their pollbooks. if you use 2018 north carolina, you can say the entire election is illegitimate.
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The 2018 thing seems to have been thrown out not because there was a law that literally said that, and more because the state board refused to certify the results themselves. The board itself also chose to call a new election after hearing testimony.

Beyond all of that, North Carolina is North Carolina - I don't care if you live there or if youtube talks about it a lot. Its election laws and board decisions aren't going to affect everywhere else in the country. To work with this parallel - you have yet to convince any state election boards that fraud should suspend the electors' vote, which is what happened in N.C.

They can't? Or do you mean you were using 2018 registration numbers and comparing it to 2020 while ignoring that day-of registrations were a thing? Or that you fucked up MI and MN?
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/11/do-trumps-lawyers-know-what-they-are-doing.php (can't be true)
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-wisconsin-vote-vs-voters-afs:Content:9672223878 (must be false, impossible to run the numbers)
And you got the state to look into covfefe:
www.ajc.com

Georgia investigates Coffee County’s handling of presidential recount

The Georgia Secretary of State’s Office says it’s investigating Coffee County’s handling of the November presidential election recount.
www.ajc.com www.ajc.com
 
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Joggers, when will they learn?
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Rich Evans Apologist said:
Right, but like... that's just what happens here if none of the fraud claims are sustained, too.
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Yes, and?

You were trying to defend just supposing that there was no fraud, you were trying to make a case for the assumption of innocence and for your stance to be considered the default.

So I take it you utterly concede that point? Cause you literally just agreed with me on all elements, and when you brought up the consequences the answer was just "yes".
 
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CrippleThreat said:
If Democrats want DC and Puerto Rico, then any collection of red counties should be states.
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R's should start taking a pizza cutter to the square states.
  1. Divide up Oklahoma, Kansas, the Dakotas, Nebraska, Wyoming, and Utah into 4s.
  2. That makes 28 new states
  3. Which makes 52 new Senate seats, all of which are very likely to vote Republican
  4. Permanent GOP hold on Senate. Cocaine Mitch becomes immortal.
 
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Gehenna said:
Yes, and?

You were trying to defend just supposing that there was no fraud, you were trying to make a case for the assumption of innocence and for your stance to be considered the default.

So I take it you utterly concede that point? Cause you literally just agreed with me on all elements, and when you brought up the consequences the answer was just "yes".
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Okay. You won an argument on semantics by conceding that, if none of this fraud is substantiated, then the election is going to be for all intents and purposes regarded as secure - just like every single other US election.
 
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Meat Target said:
R's should start taking a pizza cutter to the square states.
  1. Divide up Oklahoma, Kansas, the Dakotas, Nebraska, Wyoming, and Utah into 4s.
  2. That makes 28 new states
  3. Which makes 52 new Senate seats, all of which are very likely to vote Republican
  4. Permanent GOP hold on Senate. Cocaine Mitch becomes immortal.
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Texas reserves the right to split up into 5 states if they want to, it's part of the conditions for joining the Union.
 
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Rich Evans Apologist said:
Okay. You won an argument on semantics by conceding that, if none of this fraud is substantiated, then the election is going to be for all intents and purposes regarded as secure - just like every single other US election.
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Your ability to pretzel logic IS impressive. A shame I never agreed to that. You said CLAIMS of fraud, nothing about it being substantiated.

Addendum: Seriously, not even your attempt at a gotcha was well done? At least word them more air tight if that's your intent...
 
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Meat Target said:
R's should start taking a pizza cutter to the square states.
  1. Divide up Oklahoma, Kansas, the Dakotas, Nebraska, Wyoming, and Utah into 4s.
  2. That makes 28 new states
  3. Which makes 52 new Senate seats, all of which are very likely to vote Republican
  4. Permanent GOP hold on Senate. Cocaine Mitch becomes immortal.
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Election Night will be hell to watch. Bunch of 1-2 Electoral Vote states being counted all night.
 
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