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50 going on 5. If you're a fucking adult, and you need to call "mommy and daddy" because someone walked by you, you don't deserve to live. I wish this virus was as deadly as they say it is, because I want this faggot to die.
Hes a fat older man. Hes a gonner if he gets low coof. We can but hope.
 
I hope the cats aren’t getting killed but this is the best part of the article.

"It's a human-to-human transmission disease that occasionally spills over into animals," Gyimesi said. "So that's how the animals typically get infected is from being in close contact with a human with COVID-19."
 
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I'm sorry, this dumb article awoke something in me and I had to fisk it.



On Wednesday, the United States set a devastating new record in the coronavirus pandemic: 3,124 people dead in one day.
I guess "devastating new record" is the new "grim milestone?"

On an average day, we lose 1,795 people to heart disease and 1,642 to cancer. So does that mean COVID is worse than either of them? This isn't an average COVID day. Although we have less than a year of data, COVID deaths appear to be seasonal, hitting heavier when there is less sterilizing UV radiation, less vitamin D-forming sunlight, and more people staying inside with each other rather than going out. I would accuse the writer of cherry-picking, but they were handed this datum on a plate, so they didn't even have to put that much effort into it.

This was the first time the daily number of deaths has exceeded 3,000, but it's the first time the daily number of deaths has exceeded a dark benchmark that so many people have invoked, over and over again, since the beginning of the pandemic: It's more people lost in one day to COVID-19 than were lost in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
To be a little more precise, it's 1.05 9/11s. But the 9/11 is the wrong unit to use. It wasn't designed for this, it was designed to measure sudden and violent deaths of working people. COVID mostly kills elderly people. The impact of their death is much less than a 9/11 death, and on an individual scale they are missing out on less life than a person who is murdered in their 30s. If an 85-year-old retiree dies, it is a tragedy for the family and he misses out on a few rounds of canasta with the boys. If a 30 year old fire department lieutenant dies, the operations of a vital emergency service are diminished and he loses a good 40-50 years of life. If you scale that up over thousands, the effect is even more pronounced. The 9/11 is just completely inappropriate here.

There's been criticism from various corners of those who make this comparison, but it's understandable why it comes so readily to mind. The startling juxtaposition is meant to jar people out of the tendency to let all those COVID-19 deaths become a faceless statistic. The idea is to get people to take the virus seriously, since it's far more likely to kill you than a random attack by terrorists.
The probability that the virus will kill me is very low, because its fatal mechanisms don't operate very well in a person my age. And that's not just a theory: we have a sample of millions, and we can estimate the probability that a person from any given cohort will die of COVID-19, and for me it's very low. We have no idea what the probability of death by random terrorist is, because such things are planned in secret (and usually not random). We can't estimate the probability that an unknown person will attack an unknown target at an unknown time using unknown means for an unknown reason.

But there's a political side to this, as well: Liberals or leftists who draw this comparison are trying to draw attention to conservative hypocrisy. The Republicans who are pooh-poohing mask-wearing and social distancing are the very same Republicans whose panicked and partisan overreaction to 9/11 led us into two disastrous wars.
The reaction to 9/11 was not partisan. In any case, it was appropriate for the Federal government to have a reaction to 9/11, because national defense is a Federal responsibility. Things like how close people stand to each other and what accessories they wear are not. The Federal government's only roles in the pandemic should be protecting the Federal workforce, Armed Forces, and veterans; defending the borders; and deposing governors who infringe on Constitutionally-protected rights like the free exercise of religion.

If the deaths of 2,977 people in one day from a terrorist attack was so world-changing , why do conservatives refuse to treat the death toll of this pandemic seriously? As difficult as this is to process, the coronavirus has killed nearly 100 times as many people as died on 9/11.
I think we treat it more seriously than this guy does.

The answer, unfortunately, is because of the American culture war, which is getting uglier and more uncontrollable all the time. While the right used to mock "identity politics," the tribal sense of identity among conservatives seems to trump all other considerations these days.
I see what you did there. And no, "conservative" isn't a tribal identity or an idpol wedge. We aren't conservative because we belong to a group. We have conservative inclinations and tend to group together.

Enough of this stupidity. Hat me.
 
Also, they label everything from cancer to car accidents as a COVID-related death, so that number means even less to me.
Or they conveniently add in cases that allegedly went unreported until now or not entered into the database as a way to drive up the currently daily numbers and keep the doomers in a constant state of panic.

I haven't met anyone who is gagging at the bit to get the vaccine. Most are quick to say "no fucking way..... maybe after 10's of millions", and some are sitting on the fence and waiting.
I know doomers who believe the vaccines are being rushed out to the public way too soon and don't feel comfortable getting them when they first become available. How telling is it when people that freak out the most over COVID don't trust the vaccine(s) made in response to it?
 
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Somebody, please enlighten me as to why Texas and Florida, two relatively open states, have a lower number of cases per 100,000 people per day in the past week than New York, New Jersey, Michigan, California, Illinois, Wisconsin, and New Mexico, all states that infringed on the rights of their citizenry by locking down in the name of safety.

Source: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100klast7days
 
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Somebody, please enlighten me as to why Texas and Florida, two relatively open states, have a lower number of cases per 100,000 people per day in the past week than New York, New Jersey, Michigan, California, Illinois, Wisconsin, and New Mexico, all states that infringed on the rights of their citizenry by locking down in the name of safety.

Source: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100klast7days
The most obvious answer would be faster herd immunity. Frankly, their governors did the right thing (well, aside from Abbott slapping a mask mandate on Texans.)

Also, the FDA cleared the Pfizer vaccine. It's being distributed next week, and Trump has made the announcement. Still dubious on ever getting it, though.
 
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So? That's not a lot of people.
Also, they label everything from cancer to car accidents as a COVID-related death, so that number means even less to me.
I don't think that happens on as large of scale as people keep saying since if it did, why wouldn't they just label more of the under-50s who die in car wrecks or suicide as COVID victims to skew the statistics even further. It's confirmably happened but maybe it's only some hospitals or counties ran by particularly greedy/shitty people who are cooking the books like this.
To be a little more precise, it's 1.05 9/11s. But the 9/11 is the wrong unit to use. It wasn't designed for this, it was designed to measure sudden and violent deaths of working people. COVID mostly kills elderly people. The impact of their death is much less than a 9/11 death, and on an individual scale they are missing out on less life than a person who is murdered in their 30s. If an 85-year-old retiree dies, it is a tragedy for the family and he misses out on a few rounds of canasta with the boys. If a 30 year old fire department lieutenant dies, the operations of a vital emergency service are diminished and he loses a good 40-50 years of life. If you scale that up over thousands, the effect is even more pronounced. The 9/11 is just completely inappropriate here.
"IT'S GONNA BE ANUDDA 9/11 EVERY DAY UNLESS WE START TAKING IT SERIOUSLY SO WEAR YOUR MASK AND REPORT YOUR NEIGHBORS!" It reminds me when there was the article back in March measuring the potential death toll in Holocausts or American Civil Wars (remember, 0.4 Holocausts or almost 4 Civil Wars worth of Americans, that is 2.5 million people, are supposed to be dead by now according to the experts) kept getting posted and making Jewish groups angry.

There's also the critical difference from 9/11 in that terrorists cause the damage while the virus would probably be a net benefit to the economy by killing old people and fat people draining social services if we allowed it to run rampant. The vast economic damage and psychological trauma is entirely self-inflicted, it's like if the government ordered 9/11 to happen just like they supposedly did.
 
I'm sorry, this dumb article awoke something in me and I had to fisk it.


I guess "devastating new record" is the new "grim milestone?"

On an average day, we lose 1,795 people to heart disease and 1,642 to cancer. So does that mean COVID is worse than either of them? This isn't an average COVID day. Although we have less than a year of data, COVID deaths appear to be seasonal, hitting heavier when there is less sterilizing UV radiation, less vitamin D-forming sunlight, and more people staying inside with each other rather than going out. I would accuse the writer of cherry-picking, but they were handed this datum on a plate, so they didn't even have to put that much effort into it.


To be a little more precise, it's 1.05 9/11s. But the 9/11 is the wrong unit to use. It wasn't designed for this, it was designed to measure sudden and violent deaths of working people. COVID mostly kills elderly people. The impact of their death is much less than a 9/11 death, and on an individual scale they are missing out on less life than a person who is murdered in their 30s. If an 85-year-old retiree dies, it is a tragedy for the family and he misses out on a few rounds of canasta with the boys. If a 30 year old fire department lieutenant dies, the operations of a vital emergency service are diminished and he loses a good 40-50 years of life. If you scale that up over thousands, the effect is even more pronounced. The 9/11 is just completely inappropriate here.


The probability that the virus will kill me is very low, because its fatal mechanisms don't operate very well in a person my age. And that's not just a theory: we have a sample of millions, and we can estimate the probability that a person from any given cohort will die of COVID-19, and for me it's very low. We have no idea what the probability of death by random terrorist is, because such things are planned in secret (and usually not random). We can't estimate the probability that an unknown person will attack an unknown target at an unknown time using unknown means for an unknown reason.


The reaction to 9/11 was not partisan. In any case, it was appropriate for the Federal government to have a reaction to 9/11, because national defense is a Federal responsibility. Things like how close people stand to each other and what accessories they wear are not. The Federal government's only roles in the pandemic should be protecting the Federal workforce, Armed Forces, and veterans; defending the borders; and deposing governors who infringe on Constitutionally-protected rights like the free exercise of religion.


I think we treat it more seriously than this guy does.


I see what you did there. And no, "conservative" isn't a tribal identity or an idpol wedge. We aren't conservative because we belong to a group. We have conservative inclinations and tend to group together.

Enough of this stupidity. Hat me.
Also, conservatives bad because they panicked and overreacted to 9/11 leading us into two disastrous wars and the loss of our civil rights (hint: it wasn't just conservatives), but conservatives also bad now because they aren't overreacting and panicking enough about the pandemic and taking away our civil rights.
 

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A couple days ago I ordered some food and decided to meet the delivery guy outside of my building instead of just having him leave it at the door. The delivery guy shows up and he's not wearing a mask. I don't really care. I think all this mask shit is stupid anyway. He hands me my food and I say "Thank you." He smiles at me and says "You're welcome."

If this was before the pandemic I would have taken this interaction for granted, but because of the mask mandates I hardly see people's facial reactions anymore. I forgot how good the simple act of thanking someone and seeing their face light up felt. It made me feel like a human being again instead of a mindless drone that just works and consumes.
 
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A couple days ago I ordered some food and decided to meet the delivery guy outside of my building instead of just having him leave it at the door. The delivery guy shows up and he's not wearing a mask. I don't really care. I think all this mask shit is stupid anyway. He hands me my food and I say "Thank you." He smiles at me and says "You're welcome."

If this was before the pandemic I would have taken this interaction for granted, but because of the mask mandates I hardly see people's facial reactions anymore. I forgot how good the simple act of thanking someone and seeing their face light up felt. It made me feel like a human being again instead of a mindless drone that just works and consumes.
After you ate the food did you get a mysterious phone call that just said "Seven days"?
 
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