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Also every one of those creepy asl interpreters as well.
Funny story about that interpreter...she is actually deaf too. She needs a teleprompter running, which is what she is using to sign.

I wore my sheer mask in the heartland the past few days and got lots of complements. Facial expressions are visible through it too, which makes a huge difference when interacting with others.
 
I have a coworker who recently lost his uncle to "covid" (I say this cause he went to the hospital for a regular check up on friday, tested positive, he felt fine but they put him on a vent for some reason Saturday -the coworker called before this happened and the uncle was in normal spirts- and he was dead by sunday).

Part of me wants to tell him that the hospital might have killed him to make a point because this happened at the beginning of November and he lived in a "hotspot" but the wounds are way too fresh right now and he was extremely close to him so I just talk to him and let him grieve and then switch the topic to something more upbeat so he doesn't dwell on it too much while at work.
 
I hope the cats aren’t getting killed but this is the best part of the article.

"It's a human-to-human transmission disease that occasionally spills over into animals," Gyimesi said. "So that's how the animals typically get infected is from being in close contact with a human with COVID-19."
Man, we really need to stop these leopards from going to restaurants and bars.
 
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Somebody, please enlighten me as to why Texas and Florida, two relatively open states, have a lower number of cases per 100,000 people per day in the past week than New York, New Jersey, Michigan, California, Illinois, Wisconsin, and New Mexico, all states that infringed on the rights of their citizenry by locking down in the name of safety.

Source: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100klast7days
Weather and climate might have something to do with it.

Florida in Summer is a godforsaken hellscape where it is 98 degrees out, with 99% humidity and it rains every 15 minutes.

Right now in Florida it is in the 80s and 70s, people are going to spend more time outside which makes it harder for the virus transmit. Actually getting exercise and vitamin D is known for being good for the immune system, as well.
 


On Wednesday, the United States set a devastating new record in the coronavirus pandemic: 3,124 people dead in one day. This was the first time the daily number of deaths has exceeded 3,000, but it's the first time the daily number of deaths has exceeded a dark benchmark that so many people have invoked, over and over again, since the beginning of the pandemic: It's more people lost in one day to COVID-19 than were lost in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
There's been criticism from various corners of those who make this comparison, but it's understandable why it comes so readily to mind. The startling juxtaposition is meant to jar people out of the tendency to let all those COVID-19 deaths become a faceless statistic. The idea is to get people to take the virus seriously, since it's far more likely to kill you than a random attack by terrorists.


But there's a political side to this, as well: Liberals or leftists who draw this comparison are trying to draw attention to conservative hypocrisy. The Republicans who are pooh-poohing mask-wearing and social distancing are the very same Republicans whose panicked and partisan overreaction to 9/11 led us into two disastrous wars. If the deaths of 2,977 people in one day from a terrorist attack was so world-changing , why do conservatives refuse to treat the death toll of this pandemic seriously? As difficult as this is to process, the coronavirus has killed nearly 100 times as many people as died on 9/11.
The answer, unfortunately, is because of the American culture war, which is getting uglier and more uncontrollable all the time. While the right used to mock "identity politics," the tribal sense of identity among conservatives seems to trump all other considerations these days. Displaying such tribal loyalty by attacking and antagonizing liberals matters more to many conservatives than their own health and safety. That's doubly true in the face of a disease that is disproportionately affecting poorer people and people of color, allowing white conservatives to imagine that their "tribe" is not being hurt by the pandemic.

For years now, we have lived amid rising fears of right-wing domestic terrorism, and for good reason. There have been multiple deadly terrorist attacks — such as the mass shootings in El Paso and Pittsburgh — inspired by Donald Trump and the white nationalist rhetoric he helped mainstream. Wannabe terrorists were caught plotting the kidnapping of the governor of Michigan. The "boogaloo" movement of angry white men is openly gunning for a new civil war. Some commentators worry that American politics have become so bitter and polarized that such a violent internal conflict could actually happen.
In a very real sense, the civil war has already come, just not in the fashion that we imagined it. This pandemic that's washing across the country is, in many ways, a manifestation of the same tensions that have led to fears of terrorism and civil war. One major reason why the pandemic is so bad in the U.S. — which has more cases than any other country in the world, and consistently rates among the worst 15 countries on a per-capita basis — is what the press delicately calls "partisan divisions."
But let's face it, the real problem is the American right, and its profound loathing for a rapidly changing and diversifying country. From the very beginning of this pandemic, Trump, his supporters and the right-wing media have prioritized sticking it to the liberals over saving their own skins. In the end, grievance-mad conservatives — furious at a majority that rejects their claims to cultural superiority — didn't have to pick up a single weapon. All they needed to do was refuse to take this pandemic like the public health emergency it is.


Research has borne this out. A paper published in Nature on Nov. 2 — and therefore lost in the election media frenzy — showed that partisan identity was a stronger predictor of how people reacted to the coronavirus than factors like age, race or the severity of the virus where they lived. Researchers hoped that conservative reluctance to practice social distancing would decrease as the pandemic grew worse, but the opposite happened. Conservatives grew more likely to take risks, not less. High levels of right-wing media consumption made refusal to take basic precautions much worse.

But individual behavior is only a small piece of the puzzle. Republicans' tribal hatred of liberals and total-war approach to partisan politics is probably the biggest single factor in why the coronavirus spiraled so badly out of control.
This didn't happen just because of Donald Trump and his tendency to see the pandemic, and all measures to contain it, as personal affronts to be angrily resisted at every turn. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, motivated by his desire to maintain his enormous power in Washington, has been flying more under the radar, but the damage he's doing is at least as bad.
McConnell has made it obvious for months that his goal is to pass no coronavirus relief bill at all, or to gut any such bill so thoroughly that it barely helps anyone below the CEO class. He clearly feels that blocking such a bill will lead to no political blowback. In part, he believes he can pin the blame on the Democrats, and also that voters are so bitterly divided along partisan lines that not even a massive economic catastrophe and hundreds of thousands of deaths will turn Republican voters against him. After all, he has the 2020 election, when 74 million voters turned out for Trump — and Republicans made unexpected gains in down-ballot voting — as proof of that.


McConnell's refusal to pass a meaningful relief bill hasn't just caused economic devastation. It has also contributed to the massive death toll. First, because the lack of any real relief has stymied the national health care response, for lack of funding. Second, and perhaps more important, the lack of economic relief has forced thousands of businesses to remain open and forced millions of workers to go to work who might have otherwise been able to stay home. Far too many people have been forced to choose between a paycheck and their family's health, and are out there doing service-industry jobs that expose them and their loved ones to the virus.
The boogaloo boys got their civil war. It didn't come in the form they expected, and it lacks the drama of bullets flying on battlefields. But the actual death toll has surpassed that of all American wars except World War II and the actual Civil War. Of course the coronavirus was coming to our shores one way or another, but what has made it so devastating to America was the ingrained rage and tribalist identity politics of the right. Just as with civil wars that are fought with bombs and guns, the price is being paid by everyone, not just those who fired the first shots.
Interesting. I see numbers. I see ranting about republicans. I see no actual connection between the two.

I mean if the majority of that 3k number was in red areas or Republican voting districts one would think that would be a strong evidence for the author's mad ramblings.

But it's not mentioned.

Hmmm... almost makes you wonder if the dead are randomly distributed or in heavy Democrat areas...
 
drones who just want to get their groceries and go back home to escape
At least I can forget there's an endless dehumanizing "New Normal" over a nothingburger "pandemic" that's been forced on us by power-hungry scumbags when at home. I miss 2019, which sucked.

They want the world to be a mechanistic prison they lord over. One where where the "little people" are mindlessly obedient consumers who believe The Narrative®, and who are conditioned to think biology is a biohazard. As they live in an isolating yet hivelike "society" like in "The Machine Stops". A world run by technology run by a technocracy. Cyberpunk dystopia.

I hope their agenda fails and they're removed from power someday.
 
If you want said people removed from power [...]
There's likely not going to be a rebellion anytime soon - one person really can't do anything to remove them. The only way I can see them falling from power is some kind of collapse.

At least the "New Normal" may end if enough people are sick of it, which I can see happening - but it could take awhile.
 
The only way I can see them falling from power is some kind of collapse.
This is coming, the neoliberal order is at breaking point right now.

At least the "New Normal" may end if enough people are sick of it, which I can see happening - but it could take awhile.
Things will get worse from here on out.
 
The most obvious answer would be faster herd immunity. Frankly, their governors did the right thing (well, aside from Abbott slapping a mask mandate on Texans.)
Weather and climate might have something to do with it.

Florida in Summer is a godforsaken hellscape where it is 98 degrees out, with 99% humidity and it rains every 15 minutes.

Right now in Florida it is in the 80s and 70s, people are going to spend more time outside which makes it harder for the virus transmit. Actually getting exercise and vitamin D is known for being good for the immune system, as well.
I think that both of you guys make good points.

Minor powerlevel, but I’ve been taking Vitamin D supplements for a while because I live in a state with a high annual rainfall and a low level of sunlight in the winter, and hearing about its effectiveness in fighting the WuFlu makes me glad that I do.

To me, comparing Florida and Texas to all those other states demonstrates that there may not be a correlation between how locked down a state is and how devastated it is by the disease. There are other factors at play here (like the aforementioned herd immunity and climate) that need to be considered and that a lot of the doomers and control freaks that occupy our government and other institutions of authority refuse to consider either out of willful ignorance or as a justification for exerting control over the populace.

What also interests me about Florida is that it’s been doing relatively well despite having a sizable elderly population. If this virus is so devastating to that particular demographic, then why isn’t Florida being ravaged right now? In all fairness though, Arizona, another state with a lot of old people and warm climate, is doing really poorly based on the CDC data, so it would be interesting to run a comparative analysis on the two states to try and single out the likely factors causing the different case rates.

In other news (gonna powerlevel some more here), I just found out last night that my grandma has the virus. Its possible that she may be asymptomatic, but it’s still early so we don’t know how bad it’s gonna be. It’s a damn shame, and I hope that she gets better, but I also worry that it’s gonna make my family even more paranoid than they already are. My grandpa got the virus earlier this year (he survived despite being 90), so I do get why they would be, but it’s a massive pain in the ass having to deal with relatives in the thrall of paranoia. We’ve already canceled Thanksgiving and Christmas, and we may not be able to celebrate my aunt and uncle’s wedding anniversary in April depending on how things are by then (they’re hoping that the vaccine is available at that point). I’m pretty much the only one arguing for things to open up at this point, and I feel like I’m being gaslit sometimes because my parents are always trying to delegitimize the points I’m making simply because it’s not the talking points of the MSM that they consume.
 
It depends on which part of Texas. The 3 months of dark has roughly just started and while we might get a day or so of sunshine every once in a while it's not going to be a constant thing until mid March at the earliest (and that's when the rain usually happens). And then it'll be hotter than the hinges of hell again. It also snows in Texas in the panhandle, poor bastards.

El Paso is apparently a hot spot where the media is acting like everyone in the area is infected and are dropping like flies. Temporary hospitals have sprung up to take care of the infected and all that. But I don't live anywhere near El Paso (and really, why would you) so idk what the actual situation is.
 
It depends on which part of Texas. The 3 months of dark has roughly just started and while we might get a day or so of sunshine every once in a while it's not going to be a constant thing until mid March at the earliest (and that's when the rain usually happens). And then it'll be hotter than the hinges of hell again. It also snows in Texas in the panhandle, poor bastards.

El Paso is apparently a hot spot where the media is acting like everyone in the area is infected and are dropping like flies. Temporary hospitals have sprung up to take care of the infected and all that. But I don't live anywhere near El Paso (and really, why would you) so idk what the actual situation is.
What are things like in the Dallas/Fort Worth area?
 
Checkout this state-mandated mental disorder.
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It's fucking D-DAY!


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Pure propaganda.

“Devotion, fervor, longing! Those are my pillars. We have to be the bridge to the future.”
― Joseph Goebbels

WE CAN DO THIS TOGETHER!

Edit: 1 more quote for good measure after finishing listening to this guy:
The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.
― Joseph Goebbels
 
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Ha, I don't want to powerlevel by showing pictures of my area, but in my town they've placed facemasks over statues in front of buildings like town hall and libraries. It was maybe cute for about a day or so in March when wE weRE aLl iN tHiS toGetHeR, but now it's just depressing and cringey. There's even a small restaurant with a hand-painted sign above their door that altered their sign by painting a mask over their mascot's face. Fucking spastic and ludicrous.
 
Ha, I don't want to powerlevel by showing pictures of my area, but in my town they've placed facemasks over statues in front of buildings like town hall and libraries. It was maybe cute for about a day or so in March when wE weRE aLl iN tHiS toGetHeR, but now it's just depressing and cringey. There's even a small restaurant with a hand-painted sign above their door that altered their sign by painting a mask over their mascot's face. Fucking spastic and ludicrous.
Not my town, just one I pass through to get to work. I joked with my wife last night how they're going to put masks on buildings, and she said "they're already doing that." So I went down there and had to take a picture. The goddamn insanity.
 
Ha, I don't want to powerlevel by showing pictures of my area, but in my town they've placed facemasks over statues in front of buildings like town hall and libraries. It was maybe cute for about a day or so in March when wE weRE aLl iN tHiS toGetHeR, but now it's just depressing and cringey. There's even a small restaurant with a hand-painted sign above their door that altered their sign by painting a mask over their mascot's face. Fucking spastic and ludicrous.

What kind of a fucking bugman hive horror show do you live in?
 
What are things like in the Dallas/Fort Worth area?
That's considered north Texas and has more or less the same weather that I described (which is from central Texas). Add in a day or two of snow that rarely sticks every other year or so (DFW had really bad snow and ice February of 2015, I wrecked my car due to black ice).

The winter wind is the worst thing cause it's a chill that'll cut through any amount of layers and use your body heat against you.
 
The head of the La Pitié-Salpêtrière hospital epidemiologic unit in Paris is sounding the alarm on the Pfizer vaccine.
La Pitié-Salpêtrière hospital epidemiologic unit head Professor Eric Caumes does not wish to get the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine inoculated. The professor thinks, after reading the data released by the Pfizer laboratory on the vaccine, that the adverse effects are too severe. “I’ve never seen such a high rate of side effects for a vaccine”, he says.
When reading data made available by Pfizer, La Pitié-Salpêtrière hospital epidemiologic unit head started to worry. “There may be a problem in the Pfizer vaccine”, Caumes thinks. “The rate of adverse effects is exceptionally high. There are more side effects in young people than elderly people, and even more after the second dose than the first one”. Data from the Pfizer laboratory report many side effects. “15.8% of people aged 18-55 have had a 38°C+ [fever] within the seven days following the second injection. And 45% of them had to take medicine against fever or pain. 55% of people got a headache, 62% fatigue” professor Caumes lists to Le Parisien.
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