US WI authorities reminding people not to eat "raw meat sandwiches"


State officials in Wisconsin are warning some families to think twice before indulging in the time-honored holiday tradition of eating raw ground-beef sandwiches.

If you haven't heard, yes, this is indeed a Wisconsin delicacy, better known as "cannibal sandwiches" or even "tiger meat."

As Wisconsin Public Radio notes, this "misunderstood" practice goes back generations, and is especially popular in Milwaukee and the southeastern part of the state — though it's also been reported throughout the Upper Midwest.

Of course, eating raw meat carries some significant risks (such as contracting Salmonella and E. coli), so ahead of the holidays — when cannibal sandwiches are traditionally enjoyed — the Wisconsin Department of Health is reminding citizens of the dangers:

So you might be asking, what's so bad about cannibal sandwiches when people eat things like steak tartare (a raw meat dish) in fancy restaurants? Good question.

As the Today Show explains, ground beef — the key ingredient in cannibal sandwiches — is more susceptible to cross-contamination because of the way it's processed, which involves using various pieces of machinery to break down large cuts of meat into smaller portions.

Steak tartare, meanwhile, uses high-quality fresh meat that typically comes from just one cut, as opposed to several.

Wisconsin Public Radio does have some tips for slightly safer raw-meat eating, if you absolutely must have a cannibal sandwich — but we here at BringMeTheNews prefer our meat cooked.

Just sayin'.
 
Ostrich meat (as an example) basically has to be on the rare side or it turns into shoe leather. You sear it, but it's blatantly undercooked and still very good.

Horse meat similarly, tasty but lean to the point of needing to basically be raw to be tasty. Very good with quail eggs.

I know that the cooking method comes with it's own problems, but do you think those meats would be a good candidate for sous vide cooking? From what I understand, if you do it right it leaves any meat cooked that way super tender but still fully "cooked".

Wikipedia said:
By contrast, in conventional high-heat cooking, such as oven roasting or grilling, the food is exposed to heat levels that are much higher than the desired internal cooking temperature, and it must be removed from the high heat prior to reaching the desired cooking temperature. If the food is removed from the heat too late, it becomes overcooked, and if it is removed too early, it is undercooked.

The use of temperatures much lower than those used for conventional cooking is an essential feature of sous vide, resulting in much higher succulence at these lower temperatures, as cell walls in plant-based food do not burst.[7] In the case of meat cooking, tough collagen in connective tissue can be hydrolysed into gelatin, without heating the meat's proteins high enough that they denature to a degree that the texture toughens and moisture is wrung out of the meat.
 
Might be a Scandinavian or German thing, because my Nordic family would eat it with thin slivers of onion on top when I was a kid.
Its german. its called Mett and its minced pork meat.

the problem is low quality minced meat. Mett is very strictly regulated in germany, it has to be sold at the same day its made.
 
Can you kill CJB through cooking? I was always under the impression that the prions that caused the illness weren't susceptible to heat.
There is less chance of picking up a nasty disease if you go to a real butcher and buy Prime cuts. Supermarket meat is rated almost always choice and most supermarkets don't have in store butchers anymore. Cooking will kill any pathogens on the surface but yes, there no proof it kills prions.

We're not sure where/how my relative picked it up. He was a hunter and I've heard deer in the wild are infected with chronic wasting disease, a form of spongiform encephalopathy. He may not even have gotten it in the US. Hard to know since it could be years from transmission to illness.
 
We're not sure where/how my relative picked it up. He was a hunter and I've heard deer in the wild are infected with chronic wasting disease, a form of spongiform encephalopathy. He may not even have gotten it in the US. Hard to know since it could be years from transmission to illness.
As far as I know chronic wasting disease hasn't made the leap to humans yet. It's becoming more and more common across the U.S. though. I believe it was Finland that wiped out an entire herd of reindeer because some showed symptoms. One of my former teachers died of CJD and the theory was she picked it up from the neighbors pasture. It's a terrible way to go, and I'm sorry you lost a relative to it.
 
I know that the cooking method comes with it's own problems, but do you think those meats would be a good candidate for sous vide cooking? From what I understand, if you do it right it leaves any meat cooked that way super tender but still fully "cooked".
Potentially, I've used sous vide before but with far fattier meats...still that's an interesting idea. In theory it seems like a good match.

My only concern just spitballing without having done any research would be whether even that level of low slow veeeeery long heat application would still mess with the texture adversely.

I don't have a good line on horsemeat but I wonder if there's a good line on ostrich in my neck of the woods.
 
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I know that the cooking method comes with it's own problems, but do you think those meats would be a good candidate for sous vide cooking? From what I understand, if you do it right it leaves any meat cooked that way super tender but still fully "cooked".
the traditional method is Sauerbraten, long marinating will help with tenderness.

but most cuts can be eaten without problems. also horse sausages are pretty common.
 
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I've made venison tartare and it's very good, also deer heart cheviche. The issue is not grinding your own meat, because preparing raw food requires much cleaner utensils. I wouldn't trust a supermarket to take enough care, since they're going to assume anything ground will be cooked through.
 
I see fellow Wisco folks here that are unaware of the 'cannibal sandwich'. It's an old tradition in this state dating back to the farmers of the late 19th and early 20th century. It was quite common on family farms/homesteads and then had a resurgence in the 50's and is still a continuing tradition in a handful of communities. Having lived in the state off and on for awhile, I was also surprised the first time I heard of this shit but can attest to my ultra elderly family having been all bout that life way back when all the meat was from your own farm and you could trust the quality and cleanliness. You couldn't pay me enough to eat that shit nowadays though as we have these crazy conveniences like electricity and gas at our finger tips.

I also saw somebody mention raw pork in the thread, that is not advisable in any way shape or form. The Wisco trend is to eat raw beef meat. Also not exactly advisable but you can eat rare beef, never eat raw pork lol
 
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I see fellow Wisco folks here that are unaware of the 'cannibal sandwich'. It's an old tradition in this state dating back to the farmers of the late 19th and early 20th century. It was quite common on family farms/homesteads and then had a resurgence in the 50's and is still a continuing tradition in a handful of communities. Having lived in the state off and on for awhile, I was also surprised the first time I heard of this shit but can attest to my ultra elderly family having been all bout that life way back when all the meat was from your own farm and you could trust the quality and cleanliness. You couldn't pay me enough to eat that shit nowadays though as we have these crazy conveniences like electricity and gas at our finger tips.

I also saw somebody mention raw pork in the thread, that is not advisable in any way shape or form. The Wisco trend is to eat raw beef meat. Also not exactly advisable but you can eat rare beef, never eat raw pork lol
Pork isn't really much riskier than beef. The only real issue is pigs are generalists that eat just about anything you put in front of them and so are more likely to pick up parasites. But most civilized countries tightly regulate what you can feed a pig, the sanitary state of their quarters and the processing of the meat so contaminated pork is unlikely to hit store shelves.
 
Pork isn't really much riskier than beef. The only real issue is pigs are generalists that eat just about anything you put in front of them and so are more likely to pick up parasites. But most civilized countries tightly regulate what you can feed a pig, the sanitary state of their quarters and the processing of the meat so contaminated pork is unlikely to hit store shelves.
yeah iirc the pork thing is back in the day pigs were what you had instead of garbage disposals so they'd pick up a ton of yucky stuff
 
I've had this. They also have raw onion. Delicious. I am not dead, YMMV.

If you're ever round about Monroe, there's also a place that does a limburger and onion sandwich that will knock your socks off.
 
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Pork isn't really much riskier than beef. The only real issue is pigs are generalists that eat just about anything you put in front of them and so are more likely to pick up parasites. But most civilized countries tightly regulate what you can feed a pig, the sanitary state of their quarters and the processing of the meat so contaminated pork is unlikely to hit store shelves.
In a perfect world I would agree with you but this is far from a perfect world.
 
In a perfect world I would agree with you but this is far from a perfect world.
Let me put it this way: think for a minute how many times a year Americans consume undercooked pork. Like, they bite into the meat and see it's still a tad rare. Now consider the fact that trichinosis, the default concern with undercooked pork, is diagnosed about 20 times a year on average in the US.
 
Is it so weird? Sushi is raw fish.
Ocean fish don't carry any endoparasites that can transfer to humans. Cows do. Even cow muscle tissue is essentially 100% safe (so rare steak is safe) but ground beef really isn't. I can't imagine anything about eating raw hamburger is worth bothering.
 
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