Disaster Pope Francis has endorsed a universal basic income. Covid-19 could make it a reality in Europe.

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In 2017, British Prime Minister Theresa May, faced with demands to increase nurses’ stagnant wages, famously denied the existence of any “magic money tree.” Ms. May’s Conservative Party predecessor, Margaret Thatcher, had asserted that the U.K. government had no money of its own; only what it raised from the populace by taxation or borrowing. Most people probably thought this orthodoxy prudent. A budget deficit was a sign of bad governance, strenuously to be avoided.

Such apparent and long championed fiscal frugality by Conservatives has often gone unchallenged—until now.

As the second Covid-19 wave swept Europe so too has a burgeoning conversation about Universal Basic Income that may require a reassessment of hoary thinking on deficit spending. In Scotland, as elsewhere in the United Kingdom, the discussion is not new but it has become more prominent—indeed urgent—as the political and economic response to the pandemic turned fraught.

“Momentum behind basic income has been building for years in the U.K.,” said Michael Pugh, the co-founder and director of the London-based think-tank Basic Income Conversation. “But the pandemic has rapidly accelerated the public’s interest in the idea as gaps in the social security system have left so many people living in insecurity.”

Mr. Pugh, who came to this campaign after working in community organizing, predicts that “as the health and economic impacts of the crisis continue to bite next year, we expect the calls for basic income to get louder and louder.”

The idea even got an unqualified plug from Pope Francis himself. In the recently published Let Us Dream, the pope endorsed an “unconditional lump-sum payment to all citizens” in the context of his regular calls for an economically and environmentally more equitable post-Covid world.

Francis’s version of U.B.I. suggests that it be paid for through taxation. But there are other ideas about how to fund U.B.I. in circulation.

The pandemic’s economic impact has been multifaceted; businesses have been forced to close and the economy has rapidly contracted. Existing social support arrangements were strained; consumer spending fell away. As the lockdown tightened, wages declined and businesses large and small suffered. A record-breaking 15 percent bounceback in growth during the third quarter illustrated how badly the lockdown had throttled the economy, which lurched into recession across the spring and summer.

Massive state social support became unavoidable, even during a Conservative administration whose every instinct had been to reduce the size of the state. As all kinds and sizes of businesses closed their doors, the U.K.’s Coronaavirus Job Retention Scheme saw the state match 80 percent of furloughed workers’ wages.
The program, nearly withdrawn in the autumn, was extended until March 2021 when the widely-predicted second wave of the coronavirus began, striking some months before vaccines will become viable. Many believe the effectiveness of this huge cash injection by the state makes a clear case for the universal basic income. And they’re saying so more and more confidently.

Various proposals advanced for some form of U.B.I. in the U.K. have now even drawn mainstream politicians, moving the idea from the political fringes. In response to fears of persisting widespread unemployment because of the pandemic, a growing number of parliamentarians and local politicians have called on U.K. governments to at least try out the idea in pilot programs.

Sometimes called Citizens’ Basic Income, U.B.I. begins with a simple proposal—the state should pay each citizen an agreed income regardless of the individual’s employment status, pre-existing earnings or qualifications.

But even as U.B.I. proposals gain traction, many Britons—watching Covid-19 mitigation costs escalate—are becoming anxious about the national debt, despite rarely understanding what it really represents. Reeling from years of Tory austerity policies that followed the banking crash of 2008, many worry massive tax increases will be levied to pay for new spending in response to the pandemic.

Two concurrent discussions have emerged around the universal basic income—its desirability as a matter of public policy; and concerns about how it would all be paid for.

U.B.I. opponents speak of the dangers of a something-for-nothing dependency culture and disincentivizing work. Others contend that state borrowing has to be repaid in the same way that individuals, households and firms need to balance their monthly books in order to remain solvent and to preserve their credit-worthy reputations.

But proponents of Modern Monetary Theory, like Stephanie Kelton, counter that sovereign states, as currency issuers, can and do create money when they need to. They point out that managing the economy of a sovereign state can’t be compared to running a household.

A currency-issuing state cannot go broke because, unlike a bank, household or individual, it has the power to issue more currency at the stroke of a keyboard for expenditure it deems essential. Deficits can encourage growth, according to the theory, which argues that balanced state budgets are not often a public service, even if they remain desirable in running a household.

A limiting risk is inflation. But the theory holds that a judicious injection of “fiat” cash into an economy will increase productivity and G.D.P., thus keeping inflation at bay. U.B.I. advocates think that this is one way their no-strings-attached payment could be financed. Others, Pope Francis among them, advocate for transfers based on levying higher taxes on those who can afford them.

In Scotland, the resurgent independence movement faces interrogation about how it will pay for public expenditure and related currency questions. The “subsidy myth,” that the northern nation depends on London’s munificence to survive and to finance welfare programs, persists.

With insufficient media scrutiny, supporters of the London Government continue to suggest that Scottish membership of the current British union of countries has meant access to massive state spending that Scotland on its own would not have the capacity to create.

Others, like political economist Richard Murphy of Sheffield University, say that when an independent Scotland retains all the taxes it raises and becomes a currency-issuer rather than a user of the U.K. pound, it could well match the funding it now receives as part of the United Kingdom.

Recent polling in Scotland has shown consistent support, ahead by at least 10 points, for a second independence referendum and for a “Yes” vote on the same. The next parliamentary elections, in May, might yet be effectively or even explicitly a plebiscite on independence.

The debate about currency is getting lively again as supporters of a separate Scottish currency grow in confidence. By spring, the universal basic income and the possibility of a newly independent state issuing the currency it needs for it are likely to be a major talking points in Scotland.
 
Another article to fear monger about giving people money rather then corporations, wonderful.
Where does the money come from? Surely it's one of those money printers.
Why don't you ask the federal reserve who prints off infinite amounts of money for corporations now after the CARES act?
 
As long as the Vatican pays for it.

Edit: I recommend reading the Wikipedia entry for Stephanie Kelton, specifically her book. You know things are bad when the only positive review of her book is by a marxist, and even that's not elaborated.
 
It all depends on the resources available. Promisary notes are not the alpha/omega of it all. If a country can create a self-sustainable source of bread then they need only solve the circus part of the equation (which isn't hard considering the capacity of the human imagination).
 
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Where does the money come from? Surely it's one of those money printers.
well a higher base rate would combat the inflation from that... printing a couple of billion more wouldnt be a problem, if you cut a bit of the fresh money for the banks.



I dont see how the crisis has anything to do with this... the problem are people out of work, those get welfare anyway so why change the system?
people in work dont need free money, they need lower taxes...
 
How about nobody gets free money?
Yea austerity during a recession is a genius idea with absolutely no long term economic consequences.
8 million Americans have fallen into poverty since the summer, telling people to pull your bootstraps is akin to telling people they should die.
 
Yea austerity during a recession is a genius idea with absolutely no long term economic consequences.
How about no lockdowns?

It's really telling that you're not at all wary about the long-term consequences of printing free money as a band-aid solution to an economic crash. The simpler solution would be to just let people go back to their jobs, but Democrat Governors would never do that because they're power-drunk retards who like controlling other people.
 
Yea austerity during a recession is a genius idea with absolutely no long term economic consequences.
8 million Americans have fallen into poverty since the summer, telling people to pull your bootstraps is akin to telling people they should die.
that money should be borrowed from the market and not from the Fed.

most of those 8 million people are also idiots that had no savings at all.
 
How about no lockdowns?
That's not on topic at all.
However, the country was unlocked down in May, nowhere did it magically recover. People still continued to fall into poverty. There's a ton of problems with the lockdowns(particularly regarding small businesses), but regardless if you have it locked down or not people are struggling more than ever and you're attempt to apply a bandaid to a gashing wound.
3/4 economists in August 2019 predicted that there would be a recession before the end of 2020.

By advocating for austerity during such a serious depression you are advocating for something more permanently damaging than any lockdown. The middle class has only shrunk and the lower class has only gone further towards total poverty, well the ultra rich have increased their wealth by almost 1 trillion collectively.
 


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However, the country was unlocked down in May, nowhere did it magically recover. People still continued to fall into poverty.
Yes, because states are still locked down.
but regardless if you have it locked down or not people are struggling more than ever and you're attempt to apply a bandaid to a gashing wound.
What do you call universal basic income?
By advocating for austerity during such a serious depression you are advocating for something more permanently damaging than any lockdown. The middle class has only shrunk and the lower class has only gone further towards total poverty, well the ultra rich have increased their wealth by almost 1 trillion collectively.
Yes, because of lockdowns.
 
The money comes partly from dismantled unemplyoment agencies / benefits etc. Also it would make more people buy stuff they otherwise cant afford, which stimulates the economy.
but there are alot of lazy people who just would stop looking for work if you dismantle the unemployment agency.

also why should you pay working people money if you could just cut taxes? just cut the VAT and people can buy more...
 
I dont see how the crisis has anything to do with this... the problem are people out of work, those get welfare anyway so why change the system?
people in work dont need free money, they need lower taxes...

That depends on labor law. Trust me. We know that well around here. The 2012 labor reform was a god damned tragedy. But point is. UBI ain't fixing that shit, labor law is.

That said UBI for europe might not even be that bad, depending on implementation, for the same reason it's really not that awful for us spaniards. Here's the thing we found out:

Well I should first mention I guess that according to many of europe's lefty lobbies spain's UBI is not a TRUE UBI because to get it you have to be a legal resident and severely under the poverty margin. And apparently if we're not giving free money to the already rich and illegal migrants that's something else... Fucking lobbyists. Point is:

Fun shit with the UBI is that as it was proposed and they started to make the counts, it did seem horrifying, but then they also took into account the aids currently given by the autonomies which wouldn't be necessary and gov says should be cut if UBI is implemented. And as it turns out, that's a lot of money we were giving for stupid shit in social care that wasn't working anyway, so UBI ain't gonna be that expensive.

Why I say this is important for europe?

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'cause a lot of europe is wasting more than we are on that shit. So it wouldn't be a bad assumption to say that if the "UBI" is the kind to only be given to the really poor, implemented properly, and takes away the stupider gibbs, you'd expect to wind up with even less of an uptic in spending.

But this is of course IF done correctly. Which taking into account how negotiations are going in spanish general courts right now, is unlikely for us. And taking into account how european lefties do anything, is even less likely for anyone above us on that ranking.

Because apparently politics is the art of turning good ideas into bad results.
 
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