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It’s funny the amount of times I’ve been called a TERF but have had to explain that I’m male. Only to continue to be called a TERF, like they don’t know what the acronym even means.
I don't buy into this "ally" game of labels, technically women are the ones that can't be feminists, feminist was an insult against men, a synonym of "faggot" or "cuck" used against those men that supported female suffrage.
 
You'd think if they were concerned about trans people they'd want proper oversight and transparency with these medicines and surgeries. Katelyn Burns, for all his faults, did an exposé on the lack of regulation on "gender affirming" surgery and the culture of malpractice victims being pressured not to talk about it because if they say it's not all sunshine and rainbows and exactly like the opposite sex's genitals then they're traitors to the cause or giving ammunition to transphobes or whatever. It's a weird situation where the "transphobes" seem to have their interests at heart more than half of the people on their side.
I think it’s because most of the people they label “transphobic” aren’t really scared of trans people. Personally, I misspent my youth wandering around the lower east side of NYC during the 90s. Sharing the bathroom with a gigantic man in a dress just doesn’t faze me.

What does faze me (and what I never experienced back in the day) is the blatant misogyny, the lack of self care and the insistence on not conforming to some basic realities (see above where Buck Angel gets bitched at for insisting that medical records reflect your biology).

So yeah, Im a TERF in their eyes, but in the eyes of people who know me I probably seem very pro-trans, if not a rad maternal about the younger ones’ health.

I mean hell, look at this thread. It’s like 30% laughing at troons and 70% medical and psychological concerns. We’re not exactly Westboro here.
 
Though I do wonder about the specific nomenclature for gay men. I’ve seen plenty of “men can’t be feminist” nonsense out there and, while I agree, most TERFs would be straight just by numbers alone, I wonder if this nomenclature isn’t, for some, a way to label people who don’t want to sleep with them.
Personally, I am on the team that says men can't be feminists, as it's a women's liberation movement. That doesn't mean I'm not supportive of lots of feminist causes. At any rate, male feminists almost always come off as creepy.

Nice to see that Buck Angel is based.
Buck's alright, but still kind of an asshole about these things. She wants to have her cake and eat it, too.

I work in the field and things like the Tuskegee experiments and the opioid crisis are forcibly kept fresh in our minds so we remember the price of breaking the ethics code.

Personally, I get the same damn vibe from this stuff. It’s not the same obviously, these medications received approval and so we’re tested through animal and human trials, but it still gives me the same damn vibe, prescribing things for people who don’t need them.
Very much so and as recently adjudicated by the courts in the UK, I also see this as a medical experiment. The readiness of the medical establishment to throw caution to the wind for this cause was one of many many red flags for me.

I mean hell, look at this thread. It’s like 30% laughing at troons and 70% medical and psychological concerns. We’re not exactly Westboro here.
For what it's worth, I also think that transitioning might be the right choice for some people. The implications of that are up for debate, though. And I also think "informed consent"-models are terrible - we've treated gender dysphoria in most Western countries for the past 50 years and only recently have the established protocols come under attack for being too strict.
 
Whatcha think? Troll or a genuine case of an autistic man who tumbled down the sissyfication rabbit hole?

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The lack of comments cracks me up tho.

 
You'd think if they were concerned about trans people they'd want proper oversight and transparency with these medicines and surgeries. Katelyn Burns, for all his faults, did an exposé on the lack of regulation on "gender affirming" surgery and the culture of malpractice victims being pressured not to talk about it because if they say it's not all sunshine and rainbows and exactly like the opposite sex's genitals then they're traitors to the cause or giving ammunition to transphobes or whatever. It's a weird situation where the "transphobes" seem to have their interests at heart more than half of the people on their side.
It’s so the medical establishment can maintain plausible deniability. If it’s all on the informed consent model, well hey, you said you knew what the risks are, not our problem.
 
You'd think if they were concerned about trans people they'd want proper oversight and transparency with these medicines and surgeries. Katelyn Burns, for all his faults, did an exposé on the lack of regulation on "gender affirming" surgery and the culture of malpractice victims being pressured not to talk about it because if they say it's not all sunshine and rainbows and exactly like the opposite sex's genitals then they're traitors to the cause or giving ammunition to transphobes or whatever. It's a weird situation where the "transphobes" seem to have their interests at heart more than half of the people on their side.
Yeah, it's actually quite bizarre.

I'm of the mindset that adults can do whatever the fuck they want with their bodies, but there's rah-rah fuck the consequences social contagion going on in the trooniverse. I don't think kids have the capacity to understand the effects of GnRH agonists, certainly, but also I'm not exactly sure the adults do either.

The biggest lie ever told is that GnRH agonists are reversible. It's funny that the actual medically "safest" way to transition as a prepubsecent MtF would be an orchiectomy followed by IM estradiol valerate, but that's obviously considered unconscionable. Yeah let's just get kids on puberty blockers for like seven years with no HRT and see what happens to their bones. It'll be a fun adventure for everyone.
 
Personally, I am on the team that says men can't be feminists, as it's a women's liberation movement. That doesn't mean I'm not supportive of lots of feminist causes. At any rate, male feminists almost always come off as creepy.


Buck's alright, but still kind of an asshole about these things. She wants to have her cake and eat it, too.


Very much so and as recently adjudicated by the courts in the UK, I also see this as a medical experiment. The readiness of the medical establishment to throw caution to the wind for this cause was one of many many red flags for me.


For what it's worth, I also think that transitioning might be the right choice for some people. The implications of that are up for debate, though. And I also think "informed consent"-models are terrible - we've treated gender dysphoria in most Western countries for the past 50 years and only recently have the established protocols come under attack for being too strict.
Yes. Red flags abound. And mind you, 90% of the time I don’t think there’s malice on the part of the doctors, or the scientists making the medicine. Doctors generally want their patients to be healthy and they do what they think they have to to get their patients to come in.

The concept of dysphoria always seemed a bit flimsy to me. Talk to many women after having a kid or three and they experience some sort of dysmorphia based on how their bodies changed. Same with anorexics and people who obsess over looks. In this thread we’ve discussed the idea that an early or very quick puberty could bring about dysphoria because the body changes faster than brain can catch up. But the mind should be allowed to catch up.

I have no doubt that there are a select few to whom transition will always be the answer, but I think for many you have parents trying to protect their children from feeling discomfort, and stunting their growth in the process.

Whatcha think? Troll or a genuine case of an autistic man who tumbled down the sissyfication rabbit hole?

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The lack of comments cracks me up tho.

He looks like an 80s wrestler. Bet he cleans up nice.
 
It's funny that the actual medically "safest" way to transition as a prepubsecent MtF would be an orchiectomy followed by IM estradiol valerate, but that's obviously considered unconscionable.
And yet, some countries were or are dangerously close to allowing that. England seems to have backed away just in time from allowing puberty blockers to kids under 16, but if Tavistock had won, I could have predicted the next step.
 
And yet, some countries were or are dangerously close to allowing that. England seems to have backed away just in time from allowing puberty blockers to kids under 16, but if Tavistock had won, I could have predicted the next step.
It'd probably dissuade most kids from transitioning. An orchiectomy or hysterectomy + bilateral salpingo-oopherectomy as first line is a bit more visceral and obviously permanent than taking GnRH agonists, especially when you're convinced GnRH agonists are reversible.

If you wanna be in you gotta be in for real
 
It’s weird to me how normies totally buy the safety of puberty blockers and also accept that there’s tons of trans kids at risk from killing themselves, even though there weren’t 10 or 20 years ago.

I was on a group call last night and the stupid, no effort troon in the group brought up JK Rowling and the two other guys in the group (one is gay, one is straight) started going off on how awful TERFs are, but...I doubt they’d sleep with a troon. Also one of the girls in this group has said once ‘I want to sleep with a girl who doesn’t have a dick’ but shockingly hasn’t been cancelled. I don’t know why straight guys would be pro-troon, but then again I don’t know why anyone is.
 
I was on a group call last night and the stupid, no effort troon in the group brought up JK Rowling and the two other guys in the group (one is gay, one is straight) started going off on how awful TERFs are, but...I doubt they’d sleep with a troon. Also one of the girls in this group has said once ‘I want to sleep with a girl who doesn’t have a dick’ but shockingly hasn’t been cancelled. I don’t know why straight guys would be pro-troon, but then again I don’t know why anyone is.

Evangelicals burned her books because of magic and witches and now TRAs are burning her books because she's too grounded in reality. As the world turns.

Hairy Neovagina and the Sorceror's Glass Dilator would not be a best seller though
 
It'd probably dissuade most kids from transitioning. An orchiectomy or hysterectomy + bilateral salpingo-oopherectomy as first line is a bit more visceral and obviously permanent than taking GnRH agonists, especially when you're convinced GnRH agonists are reversible.

If you wanna be in you gotta be in for real
I mean the main problem is whether or not children can consent to any of this and where is the line to parental consent withdrawn. Parents can (and should) have the ability to force their kids to have medical procedures (Im thinking things like vaccines, corrective surgeries, etc) because of it were up to the kids, lots would die from preventable things. On the other hand I don’t think parents should be allowed to consent to purely aesthetic procedures. A nose job because your kid has collapsed septum’s is fine, but a nose job because she’s got a big honker isn’t. And being Trans seems to be mostly a cosmetic situation.

people also need to realize how much society, any society, has the ability to artificially reduce people’s choices. Are you getting blockers because you really feel like you need them, or because someone told you that you needed them? Again, it’s cosmetic, it’s not like a doctor telling you that you need insulin, Trans done “need” any of this.
 
I was on a group call last night and the stupid, no effort troon in the group brought up JK Rowling and the two other guys in the group (one is gay, one is straight) started going off on how awful TERFs are, but...I doubt they’d sleep with a troon.

I desperately wish I could find the twitter thread where some TERF asked Adrian Harrop if he would go down on a trans man and he called her a transphobe in lieu of answering the question. For all the ally virtue signaling, very few people actually want to do the nasty with troons and that's why they bitch so much about nobody wanting to sex them.

Shockingly, wanting to have sex (and who you want to have sex with) is one of the most base-level impulses that human beings have and it is difficult-to-impossible to shame them out of it.

TLDR: I am a straight woman and I want actual dick, not meat-tubes.
 
Honestly, they are probably no weaker than the average woman, but I don’t think men realize just how much of a strength difference between average men and woman. I have a somewhat physically demanding job as well and while I can lift and carry 50lb boxes for a bit, I can also watch while smaller male colleagues stack two of those boxes and lift and carry the whole damn thing and then go back and do that again and again. (yes im jealous).

I suspect that they aren’t prepared to suddenly lose so much muscle mass. And still act like they can do these things that they used to. Again, if they just SPOKE TO ACTUAL WOMEN I’m sure one would point out where the damn hand truck is kept.
 
Translation: Suggesting that I am not intrinsically "trans" makes me feel bad which makes it "transphobic."


Exhibit A for why "gender dysphoria" claims tend to be deceptive and shouldn't be automatically respected:

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Remilia? Nice account name brother. Amazing how embracing a deranged self-image that causes you to fixate on difficult or even unalterable traits results in worsening mental health.

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What if - just hear me out - there's no such thing as a "trans [person]" that exists prior to any (false) awareness and the dysphoria just emerges due to an ordinary conflict between pretension and reality.
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A classic case: Depressed (also obese and not gay per post history) with no real understanding of why, discovers trooning out and latches onto it with gusto. Now, instead of being depressed and insecure, he's gender dysphoric and insecure.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/k5ep93/cant_unsee_what_ive_seen/ (x)

Some schizo-posting:
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What if you felt bad because you're a heterosexual male who therefore likes being in female company?
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Summarizing: Possible autism or at least social issues of some sort, autogynephilia, mental health issues.

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Long hair => Girl. Right.
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A partial confirmation of the hypothesis that he's basically just schizo-posting about his childhood as a cope. I mean, what is more likely, that he was insecure about being fat or that subconscious intuitions were driving him towards wearing form fitting clothes since form fitting clothes = female even though that's not even true.

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Almost nothing femine [sic] about his profile. He is also autistic, diagnosed while a child as well which suggests that it was probably not a borderline case. If I had to guess, being autistic was probably why "the boys" didn't like him.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/k9db6u/unlocking_childhood/(x)

The whole thread is proof that this is almost correct:
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And I only say almost because it's entirely an exercise in confirmation bias; there is no sense of balance. The goal is explicitly to unearth something, anything really, and not to honestly appraise whether or not the recollections have any significance or to balance them off against the often more clearly "male" thoughts and habits.

This is the thinking made explicit:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/k9db6u/unlocking_childhood/ (x)
I could, for example, play the exact same game, indeed everyone can do it since childhood is a curious time for everyone. I could recollect the time when I was four and an older cousin painted some of my toe nails and I thought it was pretty cool. I could take note of the fact that when I was five my best friend was a girl. Equally, I could forget that these were 'exceptions' - it's probably not even reasonable to call them that - in what was otherwise a very typical male childhood.

There's also the slightly amusing fact that they tend to misinterpret even specific events. Take the ever common "I played with a female avatar a lot" trope, it's true statistically that you are slightly more likely to play as a female avatar if you are female but it's equally true that nerds who play video games all day and for whom video games are almost their raison d'etre, are overwhelming male.
 

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It’s weird to me how normies totally buy the safety of puberty blockers and also accept that there’s tons of trans kids at risk from killing themselves, even though there weren’t 10 or 20 years ago.

I was on a group call last night and the stupid, no effort troon in the group brought up JK Rowling and the two other guys in the group (one is gay, one is straight) started going off on how awful TERFs are, but...I doubt they’d sleep with a troon. Also one of the girls in this group has said once ‘I want to sleep with a girl who doesn’t have a dick’ but shockingly hasn’t been cancelled. I don’t know why straight guys would be pro-troon, but then again I don’t know why anyone is.

I think there are a lot of pro-troon or at least troon-tolerant straight men simply because it doesn't affect them as much.
I imagine many straight men have male friends who transition, and they want to be supportive and TIF's, as others have said, are relatively easy to ignore. No fakeboi Aiden is gonna intimidate a grown man in the men's restroom, or bully a gay man into eating out her boy-pussy. (Of course, enough encounters with the later often turns gay men into TEHMs). Plus "TERF" is often used as just a term for "any woman I dislike," more often than not, so hating on TERFs basically gives a lot of men a way to bash women they dislike in a more PC-way than just calling them ugly bitches.
 
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Nice.

Worth noting that he probably still is a lot stronger than the average woman due to both having a physical job and strength not decaying that rapidly or necessarily even to the level of a woman. His issues might also be compounded by aging as well.

Also I couldn't help noticing that 'sluttysissykelly' has a posting history that is barely worse than OPs.

I think there are a lot of pro-troon or at least troon-tolerant straight men simply because it doesn't affect them as much.
I imagine many straight men have male friends who transition, and they want to be supportive and TIF's, as others have said, are relatively easy to ignore. No fakeboi Aiden is gonna intimidate a grown man in the men's restroom, or bully a gay man into eating out her boy-pussy. (Of course, enough encounters with the later often turns gay men into TEHMs). Plus "TERF" is often used as just a term for "any woman I dislike," more often than not, so hating on TERFs basically gives a lot of men a way to bash women they dislike in a more PC-way than just calling them ugly bitches.
It's this all the way down: https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15#.z5ry4bucq
 
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Nice.

Worth noting that he probably still is a lot stronger than the average woman due to both having a physical job and strength not decaying that rapidly or necessarily even to the level of a woman. His issues might also be compounded by aging as well.

Also I couldn't help noticing that 'sluttysissykelly' has a posting history that is barely worse than OPs.
Totally not a fetish, folks!
 
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