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Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"
I mean, that's clearly not the most flattering candid shot of Bari, but it's amazing that Lavery is such a delusional narc he actually thinks he looks any better despite the obvious staging. He just looks like a slappable twink playing an over the top pantomime dame, the spastic.
I've been following these two since before I knew kiwifarms existed, and being able to see this thread is the main reason I finally made an account. The problem with them as cows is that they're both extremely intelligent and image savvy. They speak a lot of nonsense, but it's carefully crafted nonsense. I do believe this thread will thrive eventually, because in the next two years they will either have a very public Cluster B breakup, or Joe will fall off the wagon and take a big public shit on himself on Twitter. I guess the third option is go bankrupt, because they seem to live like royalty on an upper middle class income.
Joe and Mallory have stated that someone is helping them financially, specifically with their rent. 99% likelihood that person is Nicole Cliffe, who is married to an ultra-wealthy hedge fund manager. Cliffe and Mallory are old friends. They cofounded the now-defunct website The Toast together, with financing from Cliffe's husband.
Joe has a designer dog, a kitchen full of ultra-high-end equipment, and loves to flash fugly designer goods on Instagram. He also loves to scream about being a "Communist." And advice columnist Mallory just went apeshit scolding a poor teacher who turned in a custodian for repeated theft. LinkArchive
Joe and Mallory have stated that someone is helping them financially, specifically with their rent. 99% likelihood that person is Nicole Cliffe, who is married to an ultra-wealthy hedge fund manager. Cliffe and Mallory are old friends. They cofounded the now-defunct website The Toast together, with financing from Cliffe's husband.
Joe has a designer dog, a kitchen full of ultra-high-end equipment, and loves to flash fugly designer goods on Instagram. He also loves to scream about being a "Communist." And advice columnist Mallory just went apeshit scolding a poor teacher who turned in a custodian for repeated theft. LinkArchive
Joe and Mallory have stated that someone is helping them financially, specifically with their rent. 99% likelihood that person is Nicole Cliffe, who is married to an ultra-wealthy hedge fund manager. Cliffe and Mallory are old friends. They cofounded the now-defunct website The Toast together, with financing from Cliffe's husband.
Predictably, after less than a year of marriage, Mallory is no longer enough for Joe. They've both made references to group sex on social media, but Joe has now leveled up to polyamory. In addition to his wife, he has a girlfriend and loves to brag about it on Twitter:
It's an intense and stressful time in the United States right now. The pandemic is still raging, and it seems that so many aspects of society are starting to buckle. Even though Joe is lavishing a lot of time and attention on his girlfriend, surely during this difficult winter he's taking extra care to be there for Mallory too. Of course he fucking isn't. He comes back from his dates afroth with the narcissistic supply he's stirred up:
Meanwhile, on Mallory's Twitter:
Let's pause for a moment to check out some of Joe's sultry date looks. Try not to coom but I bet you can't help yourself:
Joe's poking his moobs out in his red muumuu and fur coat, while Mallory sighs over a pretty actress:
Kether Donohue:
Mallory is an enigma unto herself. I don't dip into her blog too often, but let's take a look at a couple of recent posts:
L’customeur: A stylish, Johnnie-come-lately transsexual, buying mostly onions.
L’cashiereur: A brisk, friendly woman, prepared and equipped to sell him those onions.
L’customeur, lurching between a handful of slapdash half-attitudes like “helpful Guy” and “so self-consciously Midwestern it’s almost Midnight Cowboy somehow” and “you think I’m a gal, it’s fine,” overshooting all of them and landing squarely in “just sounds like Clippy”*: Can I also trouble you for some multivitamins, please?
That squirming discomfort in her own skin is typical Mallory. Question for those more knowledgeable than I am: does Mallory's panicky "What do I do? How do I act? What kind of voice should I use?" thought process sound like autism? Or is it just garden-variety anxiety?
(2) "I Heard It's Not Even That Good for Guys": Another Round Table Between the Trans Men Who Don't Want Anything[Archive] : I cannot figure out what's going on here. Is Mallory being...less than sincere about the urgent need to protect our precious trans women of color? Does she realize that FTM dick roll surgery is a disaster, or is she satirizing the ignorant chuds who only think it's a disaster due to lack of information? I'll spoiler the excerpt because it's long:
MAN 1: I hear it’s not even that good for guys.
MAN 2: I hear that too.
MAN 1: Oh? Who do you hear that from?
MAN 2: Well, I hear it when I say it myself, of course. And I say it a lot. Sometimes if I’m getting ready for the day, I’ll just announce to my mirror that I hear bottom surgery isn’t that good for guys, without going into any further detail about what “that good” means, or how I’d assess possible outcomes, or which kinds of bottom surgery I’m talking about, or who the guys are. So primarily that’s where I’m hearing it from.
MAN 1: Right, absolutely. And do you try to work in an unspoken intimation that the reason it’s not that good for guys is because it’s good — possibly too good — for trans women, who are probably having too much fun, and very likely getting away with something at our expense?
MAN 2: Absolutely. The doctors used up all the good ideas and equipment on them, and by the time they got to us, all that was left was a little bowl of gruel from Oliver Twist, which is why our options are pretty much just fingerless gloves, orphanage, please sir may I have some less?, terrible hunger, it don’t hurt so much nae more, if you please sir, and never-you-mind.
MAN 3: I heard they can give you [redacted] but only if you let a witch steal away your ability to feel tenderness and smell bread.
MAN 2: Oh, I definitely heard that too.
MAN 1: And a lot of us don’t even want surgery. Not because it’s not that good — I mean, it happens to not be that good, at least that’s what I hear, but even if it were good —
MAN 2: Like as good as the surgery they do for girls —
MAN 1: Right, with their great surgeries.
MAN 3: Which probably happened because of all that visibility. Not that I’m complaining!
MAN 2: Not that I’m complaining!
MAN 1: God, not that I’m complaining, least of all about trans women, and especially trans women of color.
MAN 2: No, especially, trans women of color —
MAN 3: Absolutely, especially trans women of color, especially.
I hope she doesn't try to get bottom surgery. Joe will never ever ever ever ever chop off his precious dick, ever, but I can see him encouraging Mallory to go for it.
Final thought: Joe just posted a hilarious pic of himself that has been (professionally, by the look of it,) retouched into a picture of Simon LeBon. You vs. the guy she tells you not to worry about:
Jesse Singal clearly knows that these troons are batshit insane. He's pointed out their lies constantly. I understand why he's tried so hard to stay calm and moderate in his discussion about the issue - it certainly is better for him to try and get his points across without resorting to invective. I strongly suspect in private his personal estimate of the percentage of 'good trans' is steadily shrinking. All in all, he's acting sensibly, maturely, and for the best, especially if his goal is to provide information so that people can be properly informed, as it seems to be.
But my god it would be satisfying for him to unleash on all these assholes who keep lying, threatening and slandering him, and who keep proving they have no arguments to defend their points other than more lies, appeals to emotion, and suicide-baiting. For him to do and for us to read. Playing it smart makes him look like a pussy, and while it's the better move in the long run, it also allows some truly heinous people - Lavery, Jake Alley, Kyle Burns, Daniel Muscato, to barely scratch the surface - to get away with all sorts of bullshit. Lavery is just the most recent high-profile one to get asspats for lying, and is in desperate need of some narc injuries.
Ah, Nicole. Back when she was tweeting 23 hours a day she was coming dangerously close to being a cow in her own right. She's the type of person who would gladly shit her pants if she thought she'd get some attention from it.
Question for those more knowledgeable than I am: does Mallory's panicky "What do I do? How do I act? What kind of voice should I use?" thought process sound like autism? Or is it just garden-variety anxiety?
profound anxiety. “real” (not internet) autism doesn’t work quite like that; autistic people are not particularly concerned with how they are regarded by others or the quality of their close relationships. clinically anxious people, on the other hand, think of little else.
Lavery's utterly retarded meltdown/response to Singal. Of the six questions at the end, #1 and #2 have already been addressed explicitly by Singal and the British court, respectively. And #4-#6 have literally nothing to do with the controversy at all. Joe is so stupid:
Mallory's writing is twee, and it can be hard to tell if she's being sincere or doing the lolrandom thing. But they have a lot of stories like this one, where Joe seems to have found something that upsets her disproportionately and then harps on it until she cries. Great relationship! If we take this as sincere, getting freaked out by the thought of a feral version of yourself sounds very autism to me.
Seriously, Mallory needs an intervention. I know her brother or something is apparently a pervert, but at this point it seems like that was a very convenient and timely excuse for Joe to excise from her life anyone who might actually help/encourage her to leave him. It's clear she's his proxy paypig with her buddy Nicole as some kind of retarded Bank of Histrionics. Imagine having the kind of wealth you're willing to sponsor Joe to flounce around in eye-watering drag abusing your best friend. Her money would be much better spent on getting Mallory a good divorce lawyer before she has one of her forearms flayed and made into a Jimmy Dean's tube sausage "penis".
Mallory, if you're reading this: GET. OUT. Run far and fast. Don't look back.
And he's on sabbatical for the upcoming spring semester.
I can't remember if he's actually confirmed this or not, but I think he took a sabbatical to focus on his psychoanalysis studies. Strangely, he's not studying psychoanalysis as an academic or a critic, but as a clinical practitioner. Supposedly the program he's in is for doctors, social workers, and psychologists. And Joe.
Strangely, he's not studying psychoanalysis as an academic or a critic, but as a clinical practitioner. Supposedly the program he's in is for doctors, social workers, and psychologists. And Joe.
all traditional psychoanalysis training programs (here you really should be picturing Freud and the legendary couch) require the trainee to enter a period of psychoanalysis themselves, which is to say intensive psychoanalytic therapy, sometimes multiple times a week, often for years. i won’t go on about the purpose and methodology of the sessions but suffice to say it’s a real drain on the old ego. almost no one outside of niche circles of extremely rich and neurotic people “do analysis”, especially in the states.
despite the influence of psychoanalysis on modern psychology, Freud’s therapeutic approach has been mercifully left behind for other frameworks of mental health care.
Another status seeking starfucker (in as much as Joe is a “star”) or some neurotic nutcase like Mallory.
Considering her prior history, Joe really found the perfectly conditioned victim in Mal. If this were 40 years ago, she’d be a moonie or People’s Church member.
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