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The kiddy castraters wanted to appeal to the Court of Appeal against the ban on castrating kids, but they got told to FOAD, and to pay the litigants' costs.
Susie Green & Mermaids UK - "Trans Kid Support Charity", Susie had her underage kid get GRS
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To use clickbait youtube video titles:
Based court DESTROYS child trans quacks with facts & logic,
They also rejected the precious puberty "argument" and said that getting puberty blockers for health reasons and identity reasons are different things.
Also Tavistock has to pay £ 35,000 to Keira.
Gender quacks on suicide watch.
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Lol that is some dumb shit.
The court said 'no, fuck you, all your grounds for appeal are bullshit', and Mermaids are getting butthurt that when the NHS was told that they were doing some illegal shit that the NHS refused to take any more junior castration candidates, and ordered reviews of all existing cases by 22 December.
Mermaids wants them to carry on as if nothing has happened, when in fact the child castraters lost.
At the moment Mermaids have nothing, but they are acting as if the NHS should carry on castrating kids like normal, even though there might not even be an appeal to the Court of Appeal, and Mermaids aren't even a party to the case.
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Even better, the appellate courts in the English and Welsh system (the court of appeals and the supreme court) can be usurped by the European Court of Human Rights. However, with us leaving the EU properly in 13 days, there is no time at all for any kind of case to be bought or them (that said, I believe now we're in the transition period and going to leave, there's no right for them to present an appeal anyway, though if I'm wrong anyone better informed than is welcome to correct me).
Precedent and case law is one of the founding principles of our legal system, they have literally fuck all else to go on this. It's beautiful to watch and a real upside to leaving the EU.
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The UK is not leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, nor indeed the European Court of Human Rights, both of which long predate the EU.
There is no Brexit impact here; supremacy would suggest that UK judges bear in mind the ECHR when making their decisions, and then there is no appeal beyond that. Unfortunately it is still possible to bring cases to the European Court of Human Rights.
Clearly the US has a constitution which they sperg about massively when deciding whether or not it's a right to have AK47s at home, or whatever, and the UK has this European Convention. Logic of 'taking back control' would be to get rid of the ECHR as well. Probably you wouldn't bring in a UK-only version, because constitution sperging seems pretty useless, but that''s open to debate.
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It assumes they can even bring a case. There's a lot of existing precedent against that possibility.
The ECHR is more than likely to side with the court's decision in this case, judging from a quick skim of cases related to children and informed consent for medical procedures. They have tended to side with the necessity for either parents, or a competent court, to give consent for medical procedures on a child, on the basis that children can't give informed consent to life-altering medical procedures. The cases I've read were all parents bringing the cases where the UK court system sided with doctors who had performed medical interventions against the consent of the parents, either acting on a request from the child, or acting off their own initiative, without permission.
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I wonder how motivated Susie is to actually try and fight this in the courts.
Mermaids is currently providing a number of people including Susie a handsome salary. There is no better way to fuck the financials of an organisation or an individual than getting involved in ongoing legal action.
In a way for Mermaids this isn't a bad result. Despite what Jolyon Maugham claims the court judgement wasn't a surpise to anyone. Mermaids presented a flawed legal brief, which the court rejected (wording the reasons for doing it, in a typically obtuse way, that gives Mermaids wiggle room). Mermaids now get to claim they were denied justice, to the media and public without actually spending any cash on legal fees.
Also notice how they're keeping their distance from Maugham, that guy has co opted fundraising for every cause he's ever been associated with. Susie doesn't seem keen on letting him get his snout in Mermaids trough.
If Mermaids has any sense, they'll continue making nosises about the injustice of it all, while directing their legal resources, at making sure they're not going to end up on the hook, once the civil actions really start to take of a few years from now. All those teenage lesbians that have been dosed with puberty blockers and hormones are starting to hit adulthood, and now there's existing legal rulings in place, the ambulance chasers are going to start to circle.
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"Didn't talk to a single transgender young person"
Well, they talked to Keira Bell, didn't they? Does your experience with the treatment only matter if you don't come out of it ready to sue?
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Well, you see, according to the trans movement, Keira Bell wasn't really trans, because if you're really trans you will never desist, ever, and you will never regret anything you've done to your body, ever. Conveniently, this means that according to trans activists, no detransitioner should ever be allowed to talk about their experiences or what was done to them, because they would be "talking over real trans people," which is exactly what they want: For the only trans people anyone hears from to be in full-throated support of the movement and everything it does.
Doubtless Mermaids would have loved to line up some little gay ten year old who's had "you're a girl because we don't want a f*g son" shoved down his throat since he was three to tell the court how much he really loves being a "girl" and will kill himself if he doesn't get shot up with cancer drugs in a couple of years to make sure he never has a (gay) sex drive to act on, because otherwise Daddy won't love him anymore. Don't worry, they'll vet him first to make sure he doesn't say any of that unsavoriness out loud.
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'The kids are fine, but we've generated such fear and paranoia in the parents about the safety of their children that they're willing to listen to, promote, and even donate to us. Mission Accomplished.'
'The kids? Oh, yeah, they're fucked. Source: Just trust us.'
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This is exactly why "gender identity" is de facto pseudo-science. "Gender identity" believers are basically like acupuncturists (or really any other type of quack), their claims are technically scientific in the sense that they are falsifiable claims about the material world that - in theory - could be falsified. It is not strictly speaking impossible for their to be something that corresponds to acupuncture 'meridians' and similarly it is not a logical impossibility for something that corresponds to "gender identity" to exist (in a non-narrow sense). The only issue is that in both cases, it would require the discovery of something radically new about how the human body/brain works while being an extremely poor fit with what is known. Moreover, there is no real reason to propose that either meridians or innate "gender identity" should exist since there is no explanatory gap; nothing we observe appears to lacks for an explanation. There is no metaphorical perihelion precession of Mercury.
You don't need to invoke 'meridians' when the placebo effect is capable of explaining everything that we observe with respect to the efficacy of acupuncture. Similarly, you don't need innate "gender identity" when cross-sex identifications can be easily explained by understanding child psychologies, man's innate instinct for forming narratives etc. It's not necessarily a particularly concise explanation but psychological/psychosomatic conditions are complex by their very nature; nobody asks for a simple catch-all explanation for superficially similar phenomena like hypochondria or anorexia.
It doesn't explain anything new, which might be fine since multiple explanations are possible for the same data. However, in practice "gender identity" theories explain a good deal less, a fact which is not surprising given that that was never its raison d'etre. In truth, it owes its existence to troons - predominantly AGP-types - who without it couldn't justify their claims or desires to anyone more than a few fringe oddballs; it is a necessity to many troons. This is comparable to homeopaths and acupuncturists have inventing all sorts of strange vaguely scientific sounding explanations so as to be taken seriously (and make money). In all cases, the motivation is not truth but the psychological need to avoid the gut sense of dread that other more plausible explanations make them feel.
And because of this excuse-making origin, "gender identity" is never treated like a scientific hypothesis, it is taken as dogma and like a god of the gaps it readjusts its predictions according to the facts so as to never be falsifiable. This pattern is stunningly obvious and it only evades the believers' notice because the belief is of such tribal import; you don't want to doubt the lived experiences of br*ve transw*m*n do you, TERF?
How else could you make such absurdly circular argument as classifying all "voluntary" detransitioners and as not 'true trans people' on the basis that all if you they were 'true trans' then they would persist and then from that absurdity reasoning that their subjective experience must be qualitatively different which therefore makes them not - contrary to their prior belief - in fact 'trans'. Once you've understood that, you'll need to also remember that if you think you're 'trans' then you're
It's Poe's Law territory to believe any psychological diagnosis (ignoring the fact that most psychological conditions are also not 'real'); you probably can't diagnosis schizophrenia (a very real condition) with that level of accuracy. But when you're dealing with pseudo-scientific beliefs then all facts fit the theory. That's why wanting to play with girls and liking dolls is evidence of a 'true' cross-sex "gender identity" when you're 5 and why having hygiene problems, no female friends and 2,000 hours played on Hearts of Iron IV is equally not evidence that your "gender identity" is congruent with your sex. It's why cherry-picked memories are incontrovertible evidence of the truth of your natural womanliness and equally why 5648 posts on incels.co about how you plan to get jaw surgery are not important; in fact the longer your beard and the more masculine you were, the more trans you are since it was all (subconscious) denial. Unless you were an absolute fairy, in which case then you are clearly trans since, well, you're a fairy. Conditions that cause non-normative behavior, fixations or produce unstable identities being associated with "gender identity" issues is not worrying to you but rather positive evidence that the brain works in mysterious ways and that you must also be right... for some reason - let's say maybe the autism is caused by gender dysphoria or something (real albeit a bit fringe argument - it's fringe because it got bad press since it's fucking retarded).
"Gender identity" as a biologically real, knowable, innate and immutable thing belongs in the same class as all the other past psychological fads; your MPD, recovered memories and so forth, transparent nonsense from start to finish.
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It's also not true, they talked to S:
It's one thing to lie about these poor trans kiddies but it's another when it's easily debunked by just looking at the judgement they refer to. Like with a lot of this stuff (like JK Rowling's statement that was supposedly full of literal violence), either they didn't read it or they're hoping nobody else will.
It's one thing to lie about these poor trans kiddies but it's another when it's easily debunked by just looking at the judgement they refer to. Like with a lot of this stuff (like JK Rowling's statement that was supposedly full of literal violence), either they didn't read it or they're hoping nobody else will.
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Really makes me wonder how many of those kids who will be off puberty blockers soon (and their parents don't follow gender pediatricians out to spain and other countries they hide in) will realize "wow my body feels less like shit" off puberty blockers and cross hormones. Hopefully some that don't want to face the truth that they feel better will be taken to psychologist and diagnosed with depression or anxiety or general teen troubles and once treated for that (optimistically with talking and coping and less meds for their age) they can realize it from there.
Obviously not all will. We're bound to have at least one or suicide from this.
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The effects are permanent. Even if they go off them now, if they've taken them for any length of time it will cause severe harm. There's nothing anyone can do now that will undo the horror Tavistock brought into their lives. The only solution is to make sure it never happens to anyone else.Really makes me wonder how many of those kids who will be off puberty blockers soon (and their parents don't follow gender pediatricians out to spain and other countries they hide in) will realize "wow my body feels less like shit" off puberty blockers and cross hormones. Hopefully some that don't want to face the truth that they feel better will be taken to psychologist and diagnosed with depression or anxiety or general teen troubles and once treated for that (optimistically with talking and coping and less meds for their age) they can realize it from there.
Obviously not all will. We're bound to have at least one or suicide from this.
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Of course, I meant more the immediate afflictions. I remember one person who said they went off puberty blockers had a good portion of immediate symptoms like current aches, pains, & nausea disappear (I could be remembering wrong). Their skeletal system will be hosed and so will other parts of them, but for the moment they felt a bit better.
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Actually, kids with gender dysphoria that don't get put on to puberty blockers have a 20% chance of issues with gender dysphoria staying, while kids who do take puberty blockers have a 95% chance of it staying. So that's unlikely. The point of puberty blockers is to keep the kids needing more and more so pharma companies can rake in the sweet sweet GRS and HRT cash.
It's almost as if they're experimental drugs made to stop testicle cancer rather than stop puberty :^)
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As far as I'm concerned, Mermaids are now deeply worried because the reason they have for grifting has just been declared illegal.
Also, for those not familliar with UK law, Gillick competence basically says that a child can consent to medical treatment if he understands the consequences of that treatment. Tell me with a straight face that a 10 year old (because 10 year olds have been prescribed puberty blockers at Tavistock) can fully understand the consequences of becoming sterile.
Also, for those not familliar with UK law, Gillick competence basically says that a child can consent to medical treatment if he understands the consequences of that treatment. Tell me with a straight face that a 10 year old (because 10 year olds have been prescribed puberty blockers at Tavistock) can fully understand the consequences of becoming sterile.
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Legally, they can't and haven't been since 1908. See Nash v. Inman.