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Clostridium Botulinum said:
Driving home i got an intense headache and pain radiating from the injection site to my fingers. The placebo is plain saline.
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Update: I feel like shit so I called in sick for work, but I don't have any respiratory symptoms like loss of smell or coughing. I'm just super tired, sore, and cold.
 
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Clostridium Botulinum said:
Update: I feel like shit so I called in sick for work, but I don't have any respiratory symptoms like loss of smell or coughing. I'm just super tired, sore, and cold.
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Take care and get better soon. Keep watching for the loss of smell. It snuck up on me. Of course you may have a rare and elusive illness that ISN'T Covid. Either way, best wishes.
 
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The Skeptical Tomato X5 said:
lmaoing @ all these retards who think 2021 will be better
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In news that made me smile yesterday, hematologist/oncologist told me I didn't have leukemia, blood issues caused by things much more fixable.
 
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JambledUpWords said:
You’re a white supremacist if you want things to go back to normal
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I have a question that's been tickling my brain this morning: how many deaths does the US, as well as any other country, have annually? People often quote the whole '"---"k deaths' but is this number added to the average annual death count cause death is a part of life, or is it roughly the average number (give or take a thousand) of people who died total in the US.
 
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Unpaid Emotional Labourer said:
That is...something.


Imagine being so insulated from the societal and economic carnage of the last year that you don’t realize that, realistic or not, the only people other than those exactly like you who don’t want their lives back are those who had no lives to get back, ie the non-functioning. Unemployables, crazies, etc. Guess what, in the US, the vast majority of white, black, Hispanic, and other non-Asians do in fact want their lives back. It’s certainly possible that Asians don’t, because they’re at the top of the economic chain and more likely to have done just fine this whole time. Like this chick.
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I am amazed that Tammy Slaton did not die. She has near constant respiratory infections and is gaining weight like crazy. If HamTam didn't croak then how bad is it really?

I am tired of everything being shut down. You can't even eat indoors. You have to sit outside in the cold because some 90 year old deathfat could die if you cough on them. I can't even walk into a pizzaria and get something because I have to call ahead everywhere. It's weird that all the local pizzarias are call ahead for pickup/delivery only yet places like Church's and Crown let you walk right in and pile up in line for takeout.

I'm standing in Crown waiting for chicken over rice and homeless are coming in asking me for change. And certain populations wonder why they have higher infection rates? A lot of bodegas aren't even stopping people from coming in if they don't have masks. Since PA legalized gambling a lot of bodegas have slot machines. So there are maskless who sit there all day playing the one armed bandit. It's impossible to social distance in smaller stores and many neighborhoods here have no supermarket. So you are stuck squeezing in line next to maskless gambling addicts and Chatty Katishas who take their masks down to blab on the phone. But it's totally racist that blacks are heavily affected.

FatalTater said:
Take care and get better soon. Keep watching for the loss of smell. It snuck up on me. Of course you may have a rare and elusive illness that ISN'T Covid. Either way, best wishes.
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Loss of smell is pretty common with other illnesses too.Last year I got sick and all I could kind of taste was very spicy stuff. Kinda. I couldn't really smell anything either.
 
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Dysnomia said:
Loss of smell is pretty common with other illnesses too.Last year I got sick and all I could kind of taste was very spicy stuff. Kinda. I couldn't really smell anything either.
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Any time my wife gets ill, she loses her sense of smell entirely. Even fairly mild infections do it.

Meanwhile, Russia has officially stated they're going to issue vaccine passports.

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Bakarina said:
I have a question that's been tickling my brain this morning: how many deaths does the US, as well as any other country, have annually? People often quote the whole '"---"k deaths' but is this number added to the average annual death count cause death is a part of life, or is it roughly the average number (give or take a thousand) of people who died total in the US.
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3 million or so, so a fractional increase this year. A rounding error.

But that doesn't tell the whole story because most of the COVID deaths are not young healthy people with long lives left in front of them, they're people who were already going to die this year or next. It's probable that we will see a below-average death count in 2021 because all those people who were teed up to die, died this year.
 
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https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1344355300686655491 (https://archive.vn/y59oQ)

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https://nypost.com/2020/12/30/at-home-haircut-led-to-covid-19-deaths-of-chicago-couple/ (https://archive.vn/i9u95)
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Bruno’s sister works in a salon and arranged to give him a haircut just before Thanksgiving at his home. She had tested negative for the virus prior to the at-home visit and quarantined for three or four days beforehand, Bruno recalled.

“I needed a haircut and she said, ‘Well, why don’t I just come by and cut your hair so you don’t have to come into the salon?’” he told the station.

Joe’s sister brought along their mom, Carol, for the haircut, which lasted about only 30 to 40 minutes, he said.

“I did not hug my mom, I did not hug my sister,” Bruno said. “My sister cut my hair, she was masked, all the windows were open. We were distanced in my apartment and then they left.”

But later that evening, Bruno’s sister felt ill, and she came down with symptoms of the virus about three days later. Their mother, meanwhile, was admitted to a hospital on Thanksgiving Day, just six days after the fateful haircut, CNN reported.
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Do these types of made up stories work on anyone other than the most gullible?
 
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revmoo said:
3 million or so, so a fractional increase this year. A rounding error.

But that doesn't tell the whole story because most of the COVID deaths are not young healthy people with long lives left in front of them, they're people who were already going to die this year or next. It's probable that we will see a below-average death count in 2021 because all those people who were teed up to die, died this year.
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So basically the baby boom we had at the end of WW2 are starting to die (baby boom would equal a large amount of people dying 70 years or so later). Good to know the death rates haven't changed, just how they're reported
 
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https://nypost.com/2020/12/30/at-home-haircut-led-to-covid-19-deaths-of-chicago-couple/ (https://archive.vn/i9u95)
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Do these types of made up stories work on anyone other than the most gullible?
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No, only on idiots. Go to a neighbor lady's house every month for a haircut. Out-of-work hairdresser. No masks, just sit down in the chair, she cuts my hair, we talk. Doubt the neighbor lady is even half my age, healthy lady. All done, pay and go home. Next haircut is next week.

Thanks to everyone for the hearts on the health report. Hope it's a very long time before another potentially life-threatening condition comes on the radar screen.

The latest bullshit from the county I live in. Looked at freeway today, seems fairly normal. Tomorrow heading to bank/Costco, don't expect any changes. The county health director simply refuses to understand he has cried "wolf" too often and has no credibility. People have simply had enough. Time to just call it a day and go through it.

TWO-AND-A-HALF WEEKS INTO STAY-HOME ORDER, COUNTY'S EPIDEMIC STILL GETTING WORSE

• Cases, hospitalizations rising

More than two weeks after they were ordered to stay home except for "essential" purposes, Monterey County residents are still catching the coronavirus at increasing rates, the latest county and state data show. More locals are also becoming seriously ill with the virus. (Gee, sure do hope nobody in county government, such as the health director, judges, or the board of supervisors is seriously ill. Bet they all got their vaccinations before any of the proles. Fuck them, anyway. - JS)

While statistics on new cases have been varying over the last two weeks between just a few one day to more than 1,000 the next, and therefore mean nothing on a day-by-day basis, the numbers are still useful for determining the overall contours of the epidemic's growth. Over the last week, for example, 2,677 county residents were confirmed to have the coronavirus. In the seven-day period before the stay-home order was imposed Dec. 13, the total was 1,286. (County population about 450,000. - JS)

This week's 2,677 cases include 2,057 in Salinas and the Salinas Valley, while the Monterey Peninsula had 310: 94 in Marina, 93 in Seaside, 57 in Monterey, 22 in Pacific Grove, 13 in Carmel area (93923), 10 in Carmel Valley, 5 each in Carmel-by-the-Sea and Pebble Beach, and 3 in Big Sur. (Eight cases were attributed to an "unspecified" Peninsula location.)

Meanwhile, the number of coronavirus-positive inpatients at the county's four hospitals (CHOMP, SVMH, Natividad and Mee Memorial) has grown from 120 on Dec. 13 to 191 today, according to data tracked by The Pine Cone. The CDPH reports that 36 patients with Covid-19 are in the county's ICUs (there were 23 on Dec. 13), leaving 14 ICU beds available. CHOMP says it has 42 coronavirus-positive inpatients, including 10 in the hospital's ICU, and that it has 2 ICU beds open. (And? Bet the vast majority of hospitalized patients never see the ICU. The first three hospitals mentioned are not small places, each with about 280 beds. Tell the whole truth, motherfuckers. - JS)

Eight people who had the coronavirus died this week, the county health department said, which is a decrease from 22 during the week that ended when the stay-home order began. (Give! me! a! fucking! break! Am sure multiples of that died of heart disease/cancer this week, and last week, and the week before that, still less then 200 of the ChiCom Flu since this shit began. For a county of about 450,000! Put the numbers in perspective and I see no reason for concern. Personally, was FAR more concerned about having leukemia than catching the ChiCom Flu. - JS)

We have no new information about the availability of vaccines in the county, except that the hospitals are continuing to inoculate staff with their initial allocations, and yesterday, Brenda Moore, a spokesperson for CHOMP, said this: "We expect to receive supply for the second doses of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, and are setting up clinics for staff in January for those. Beyond that, we haven't received any word on when we will get additional vaccine." (Hey, you can have mine. Waiting until 2022 at the earliest. Not going to risk my life to be someone's guinea pig. They can bite me crank, matey! - JS)

NEWSOM WILL PAY SCHOOLS TO REOPEN

The San Francisco Chronicle reports that this morning Gov. Gavin Newsom announced incentive payments of up to $750 per elementary student for schools that reopen to in-classroom learning by Feb. 15. To read the article, click here

To see the latest coronavirus data from the Monterey County health department, click here. For the most up-to-date info from the CDPH, click here. CHOMP has a very useful page with detailed information about the vaccines, which you can find here. Below, you can also find our latest charts and tables about the status of the epidemic in Monterey County, including cases by zip code.

A Reason article. Fuck that "passport". I can drive to see my son if needed.



Added: I see this coming...that cocksucker Newsom will use this as a justification to keep the state under house arrest for even longer. Just watch. Fuck that asshole to the max.




 
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When a novel coronavirus was first identified in late 2019, the assumption was that, like most epidemics, it was of a zoonotic source. A few studies, including one published in the prestigious Nature magazine, concluded that the virus is not a laboratory construct.
Today, claiming a non-zoonotic origin is widely considered a conspiracy theory, and indeed many such claims are easily refutable without requiring probabilistic inference.
However, the possibility of a lab escape does require serious examination, especially when considering the proximity of the source to...
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Hypotheses Considered Calculated Results
Lab escape: The virus was developed during gain-of-function research and was released by accident.81%
Zoonotic: The virus evolved in nature and was transmitted to humans zoonotically.16%
Bioweapon: The virus was genetically engineered as a bioweapon and was deliberately released.2.8%
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Effect analysis

SARS-CoV-2 is a novel coronavirus
In considering the initial probability of the hypotheses, we will estimate the frequency of new pandemics based on a novel coronavirus from each source.
Zoonotic:
Almost all viruses that affect humans have developed naturally and were transmitted to humans organically. Every year hundreds of new viruses cross zoonotically from animals to humans. Usually, they cause little damage and die out naturally, but occasionally they evolve into an epidemic, which if not stopped by humanity in time, turn into a pandemic.
In the last twenty years there have been two epidemics involving novel coronaviruses:
There were three additional pandemics or near-pandemics involving other novel viruses:
Although the two previous coronavirus epidemics were stopped before they reached pandemic proportions, we generously estimate that pandemics caused by novel zoonotic coronaviruses arise once every ten years.

Lab escape:
In order to calculate the likelihood of a lab escape, it’s important to understand how it could turn into an epidemic.
  • First, a lab would need to contain a novel virus, of two possible origins: either a virus that was isolated before causing widespread harm, or a virus that was modified via gain-of-function research.
  • Second, this novel virus would need to exit the lab: either as the result of an accident (lab worker infection, animals released or sold, contaminated items) or a deliberate unauthorized action by someone with access to the lab (a disgruntled worker, someone acting for ideological reasons, or someone who was mentally unfit).
  • Third, the escape would need to remain undetected until it reached the point where it could no longer be contained.

Novel viruses

Escapes from biosafety labs
In order to estimate the likelihood of a leak from coronavirus gain-of-function research, we will focus on other leaks from biosafety labs studying deadly coronaviruses (SARS and MERS).
  • There are many documented or suspected cases of viruses that mistakenly escaped from labs, including one specific level 4 biosafety lab in the US that noted at least 8 potential biological exposures in one year.
  • Most times there are no actual infections, due to safety measures.
  • Over the last twenty years, four people were infected with SARS in four separate incidents, despite the safety precautions that were in place.
  • In one of the incidents in China, when SARS escaped from the Beijing Center for Disease Control (CDC) there were seven secondary infections.
  • Beijing CDC is estimated to comprise around 10% of SARS research at the time.
    • A search of google scholar for “sars samples” or “sars-cov samples” 2003-2005, indicates that the Beijing lab published around 10% of SARS-related research.
    • 10% is a reasonable estimate considering the SARS dominance in China.
This gives a base rate of one escape with secondary infections in 17 years of research on dangerous coronaviruses (very conservatively assuming SARS research was continuing at 2004 rates). Since the Beijing CDC comprised around 10% of SARS research, this implies one escape with secondary infections per 170 years for any specific lab working with dangerous coronaviruses.
Since there are around five labs carrying out gain-of-function experiments with coronaviruses (Wuhan, Spain, Utrecht, Japan, Netherlands), the likelihood of any of them causing the leak is increased by 5x.
The risk of a SARS and MERS escape should be similar to that of gain-of-function research, but since the latter involves viruses that are potentially more infectious and dangerous, procedures may be even stricter, reducing the likelihood of an escape by a generously estimated 4x.

Detection and containment
The one incident that involved a lab escape with secondary infection of SARS was stopped before becoming a pandemic.
Aggravating factors:
  • A virus that came from a gain-of-function study would likely be harder to contain, since gain-of-function research tries to enhance the transmissibility of potential pathogens.
  • An escape of COVID-19 would be harder to catch than SARS due to asymptomatic transmission.
  • Additionally, these considerations are less relevant if the leak was deliberately orchestrated by a rogue lab worker, who could distribute the virus secretly and effectively.
Therefore, we conservatively estimate a 1 in 5 likelihood of a leaked gain-of-function experiment with secondary infections actually leading to a pandemic.

Calculation: Lab Escapes
  • Based on the SARS escape with secondary infections, the likelihood of a leak from any particular lab is once per 170 years.
  • Based on the number of labs worldwide, the overall likelihood of a lab escape from a gain-of-function lab is increased 5x, meaning one expected leak every 34 years.
  • Due to increased vigilance, the likelihood is decreased 4x, meaning one expected lab escape with secondary infections from gain-of-function coronavirus research every 136 years.
  • There is an estimated 1:5 likelihood that after escaping it would not be contained, reducing the likelihood of a novel coronavirus lab escape that was not contained to once in 680 years.
Bioweapon:
There are a number of instances where biological agents were used as weapons:
However, there are no known cases when there was a release or unintentional escape of a contagious virus engineered as a bioweapon.
Various countries are believed to have established programs to weaponize biological material such as viruses, including the United States, China, Russia, and others, but there have been no known cases of use, generously estimated as 1 in 10 years.
Additionally, most bioweapon research begins with a known pathogen, in order to ensure human infection, so finding an underlying genetic structure that was novel and not known to cause widespread harm conservatively reduces the likelihood by 5x.
Calculation:
The likelihood per year of Zoonotic : Bioweapon : Lab is ((1/10 years) : (1/50 years)) : (1/680 years).
This puts the initial likelihood of Zoonotic : Bioweapon : Lab at 200:40:3, or 82%:16.5%:1%.
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