Trashfire Apollo Legend suicide

Kenobi said:
Which makes his patehtic attempt at manipulation look even worse. You gotta wonder how fried this guys brain is, he can´t even make it trough a 7 min video without making like 30 cuts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlYPva__204 2:39
"But 6 months ago someone who i cared about deply killed themselfs, those who were around there at the time would know how much i was affected by reckfulls death and how long i took off streaming beacuse of it....I didnt wanna face people talking about it or asking about it Reckfull and i were very alike, i saw him often as being a more extrem version of myself, My flaws and my posetives. You never really know a content creator."

"In my darktimes i took solice knowing that Reckful was out there succeeding. Despite his problems made me belive i could too. So when he killed himself obviously that affected me a lot. "

"So how does this related to apollo legend?
6 months ago we had our second ever interaction, just when i saw it on twitter, i needed time off, i needed to cool down, i need to get away from it all beacuse of reckfulls suicide. Apollo decideds to flame me on twitter call me out cause someone told him i had commited a henious crime ....All of my anger and sadness came out in a level of disgust cause he would attack me at my weakest moments"

Looking trough his twitter it seems like hes a big fan of reckfull while reckfull dosent know him. So its not like they are friends or anything like that.
Deleted video of him crying over reckfull.
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Imagine being like this that the death of someone you have no tangible connection to stops your life for months. Could you imagine being this fucking pathetic? Hes a 30 year old man having a breakdown cause a fucking streamer died.
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Not to generalize but this aussy its the definition of a true human piece of shit! he cant even have a heart by giving his defense argument without sounding like a utter egocentric bitch!

All he did was having this tone of ''I'm the one who's right, ding dong your opinion its wrong'' who does that?! nobody its asking you to fake tears and stuff but at least be a human being on knowing someone commit suicide and try to explain your argument in a soft way, whatever he's one entitled idiot and its just one of many who claims to be friends with people they have never meet IRL lmao
 
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No Shot Bucko said:
Not to generalize but this aussy its the definition of a true human piece of shit! he cant even have a heart by giving his defense argument without sounding like a utter egocentric bitch!

All he did was having this tone of ''I'm the one who's right, ding dong your opinion its wrong'' who does that?! nobody its asking you to fake tears and stuff but at least be a human being on knowing someone commit suicide and try to explain your argument in a soft way, whatever he's one entitled idiot and its just one of many who claims to be friends with people they have never meet IRL lmao
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Yeah, it seems really off putting to you, but the reality of his video is he's making it for the rabid troons and troon dicksuckers that make up the speedrunning community. In a sane and rational community, what he said would be considered incredibly callous and immoral. It would be seen as an admission of guilt. It essentially is, but by reiterating that Apollo was the troon definition of a goose-stepping Nazi, his actions towards Apollo were not only justifiable but indeed heroic. So yeah, to rational people the video appears pretty horrific and off-putting, but to these people it's a perfectly fine explanation. He also dropped $500 on to the GFM for Apollo's family, but I'd argue that was more of a way to pay off anybody who still has a sliver of decency who watch his videos. It's actually crazy how the majority of comments believe the video is incredibly heartfelt and how most of the rest are people gravedancing openly. It's absolutely fucked, GDQ must be some kind of mind control or something to these people.
 
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Gottahavemysips said:
Yeah, it seems really off putting to you, but the reality of his video is he's making it for the rabid troons and troon dicksuckers that make up the speedrunning community. In a sane and rational community, what he said would be considered incredibly callous and immoral. It would be seen as an admission of guilt. It essentially is, but by reiterating that Apollo was the troon definition of a goose-stepping Nazi, his actions towards Apollo were not only justifiable but indeed heroic. So yeah, to rational people the video appears pretty horrific and off-putting, but to these people it's a perfectly fine explanation. He also dropped $500 on to the GFM for Apollo's family, but I'd argue that was more of a way to pay off anybody who still has a sliver of decency who watch his videos. It's actually crazy how the majority of comments believe the video is incredibly heartfelt and how most of the rest are people gravedancing openly. It's absolutely fucked, GDQ must be some kind of mind control or something to these people.
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It's been pointed out many times that Apollo's videos on GDQ were terrible. He lied and misrepresented the facts to make it look like GDQ was banning anyone who so much as mumbled a transphobic word under their breath, when they've actually banned under a dozen people in the years they've been operating. It's very, very easy to prove just how full of shit he was and how often he lied or twisted the evidence to conform to his narrative. GDQ is an organization of idiots, but pretending that they're some kind of ultra-leftist coalition of murderous trannies seeking to destroy the Patriarchy by banning every autistic manchild who doesn't lick their neo-vaginas is hilariously exaggerating the actual facts at play here.
 
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Forever Sunrise said:
It's been pointed out many times that Apollo's videos on GDQ were terrible. He lied and misrepresented the facts to make it look like GDQ was banning anyone who so much as mumble a transphobic word under their breath, when they've actually banned under a dozen people in the years they've been operating. It's very, very easy to prove just how full of shit he was and how often he lied or twisted the evidence to conform to his narrative. GDQ is an organization of idiots, but pretending that they're some kind of ultra-leftist coalition of murderous trannies seeking to destroy the Patriarchy by banning every autistic manchild who doesn't lick their neo-vaginas is hilariously exaggerating the actual facts at play here.
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My GDQ statement was intended to be tongue in cheek and had really no connection to the rest of the post. I'd say GDQ's attitude is mostly a reflection of the speedrunning community moreso than the root cause of the community's attitude. His video on GDQ wasn't perfect, but somebody needs to call out the organization because it has many shortcomings. ESA is a far better event in my opinion because it hasn't attracted the rabid cult of personality that surrounds GDQ.
 
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Just now seeing this. I always thought he was one of the more normal speed running people, so still kind of a weirdo, but I enjoyed his videos exposing the cheaters. RIP to him.

I can't say I'm that surprised either though given his behavior of disappearing for months at a time and removing videos and shit if he got backlash. Seems like a cautionary tale of taking the internet shit way too seriously. Some of these youtubers need to find shit to do offline whether it be a career that's not being a content creator or some hobbies that aren't related to being on discord/youtube/twitch all the time. It would definitely ground them and give them something to live for when their e-life is crashing down around them.
 
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Love_Machine011 said:
Karl Jobst just got the any% world record at apologizing for doing something retarded. Another big record to put under his belt.
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Certainly a rarity in internet land.
awoo said:
at least he has one. I don't think Josh has anyone
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Everything is relative. I feel like any internet celebrity who has a wife who looks better than Jim Sterling's and doesn't fuck other men on camera has bragging rights over most other internet celebrities.
 
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Doctor Placebo said:
Certainly a rarity in internet land.

Everything is relative. I feel like any internet celebrity who has a wife who looks better than Jim Sterling's and doesn't fuck other men on camera has bragging rights over most other internet celebrities.
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i'm not trying to riff on josh too hard but didn't he post in the section 230 announcement how he wanted to settle down with a family a kids, exactly what karl jobst has?
 
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Background

All videos below have already been archived.

DarkViperAU, one of the people mentioned in Apollo's suicide note as "being a push", is a self-described "Australian guy doing Grand Theft Auto 5 Speedruns and Challenges - from ‘Pacifist Runs’ to ‘One Hit KO’. Stream may also contain editing and general discussions about everything from politics to philosophy (usually in some form of rant)."

He has an entire playlist dedicated to his drama with Apollo: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAnJ4ZuTYaeHQz20-Sb5EjiO9yxuWxVeR (https://archive.md/FFA6I)

DarkViper tweeting that Apollo harasses people:

DarkViper's Screenshots from Twitter
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Some more context their feud and Apollo leaving YouTube: https://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/hkrivq/apollo_legend_quits_youtube/ (https://archive.md/qfr9e)

Apollo first posted the video you see reuploaded here on twitter.
This conversation ensues.
Apollo then deletes the video above.
DarkViper uploads this video to explain his side of the story.
Apollo replies with this video.
DarkViper calls him out for cutting his explanation in this video.

TLDW
Apollo publicly shames DarkViper on Twitter for not paying an editor.
DarkViper explains in a video his difficulties with the editor, how he didn't complete his contract since he did his work in a very shoddy manner and calling Apollo out for not asking his side of the story before publishing the video.
Apollo then posts a video where he selectively chose content from DarkViper's video in order to put shade on him, DOXXing the editor at the same time.
DarkViper calls him out for cutting his clips and not being honest in the video.

EDIT
Making it clear that DarkViper clearly said in one of the videos above how he pays on a "by-contract" nature.
You don't complete a "contract", you don't get paid for it.
EDIT 2
You may want to read EZScape's tweet as well.
Many other figures known in speedrunning like Kosmicd, GFC, KZFrew, Joshimuz, Xem, Jrose11 and Nathaniel Brandy replied to this tweet about the Apollo situation.


Apollo Leaving YT
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Apollo being sued by Billy Mitchell: https://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/gd8cxz/update_apollo_legend_is_now_officially_being_sued/ (https://archive.md/K2NS3)

Posted by u/ersatz_cats 8 months ago

Update: Apollo Legend is now officially being sued by Billy Mitchell​


I know many people here are still rightly upset with Apollo Legend over this incident from late 2018, but I felt this deserved an update.

Video Game Cheater of the Century, Billy Mitchell, has officially filed three lawsuits, against Twin Galaxies LLC, Donkey Kong Forum and two of its moderators, and against the speedrunner and YouTuber Apollo Legend individually.

I would link to them, or be more specific about where to find them, but they contain personal information which I don't want to be responsible for amplifying.
These three lawsuits were filed earlier this year, and were filed pro se (meaning, by Billy himself, without the representation of a lawyer). These are defamation suits, focusing on statements made in adjudicating and/or covering Billy's MAME cheating scandal, which became news in early 2018.

This defamation suit is not directly related to the February 2018 incident when Apollo traveled to Florida to film at a "Retro Arcade Night" where Billy was in attendance. That event did result in rumors that Apollo faced legal action over the nature of his recording, but that lawsuit never materialized. The new filing does make mention of that incident, but the focus is on statements made by Apollo in various videos.

It should be noted that you can sue anyone for anything, provided that you don't run afoul of anti-SLAPP laws (which may very well happen here, as the contested statements were completely justified). Billy similarly filed a pro se lawsuit against Cartoon Network over a 2011 episode of Regular Show, which parodied Billy with a giant floating head named Garrett Bobby Ferguson. That suit got hilariously tossed out of court.

Of course, this is not all fun and games. Billy's lawsuit against Apollo Legend requests damages of $1,000,000 - Yes, one million dollars. (The suit against DKF specifies $2mil, and the one against TG specifies $10mil, for a total of $13mil between the three filings.)

Apollo has been staying out of the public eye for several months. For my part, I recently spoke to a mutual friend, who after some effort was able to get in touch with Apollo. He's alive, and doing fine. Todd Rogers' tarantulas haven't found him yet.

If you'd like to read up on the Billy Mitchell cheating story, I recently posted an updated compilation of the evidence against him, including material from his September 2019 legal threat against Twin Galaxies and Guinness World Records (who seem to have been spared this recent round of lawsuits).

EDIT - It has been pointed out that Billy has actually filed a fourth lawsuit: A second defamation lawsuit against Twin Galaxies, filed by actual lawyers, in Twin Galaxies' home jurisdiction in California (which is where such a defamation case should be filed). TG has filed responses related to this California suit. The other three pro se efforts are in a different jurisdiction.

ARCHIVED: https://www.youtube.com/post/UgytIJZJO5mDz_6ZhEp4AaABCQ
Today, I made the decision to remove many videos from my YouTube channel. I did this to fulfill an agreement I have reached with Billy Mitchell but also because I thought it was the right thing to do. I have also taken this opportunity to remove a few additional videos that have nothing to do with Billy Mitchell. This has nothing to do with our agreement, I deleted them due to the rapidly changing nature of YouTube. For your own protection, I ask that you not republish any of the videos I produced about Billy. As part of our agreement, I have given Billy ownership of these videos. This means he has the ability to remove these videos if they are republished to YouTube or any other public space. Billy and I agree it is in our best interest to make a deal and move on so that's what we are doing. I will no longer discuss this topic either publicly or privately. If you ask, I will just send you this post. I'm sure many of you will be disappointed with this decision but I believe as the months pass you will understand why I did this. (https://www.youtube.com/post/UgytIJZJO5mDz_6ZhEp4AaABCQ)

Rwhitegoose is a youtuber who got caught saying all kinds of horrible nazi shit in private.

Apollo Legend, who is friends with him, made a video where he presented only the most mild screenshots from the many, many examples of horrible nazi shit, and pretended that was all there was. He tried to discredit the accusation by personally attacking the person who brought it all to light. And then he rambled about other stuff.

He's also got a personal bias against GDQ, partially because he wants to (and has tried to) compete with them using his own trainwreck of a speedrunning event, Oceanside. He seems to have more personal issues with GDQ as well, but the monetary competition is the most obvious one to point out.

So if we combine the two things, we see that

  1. Apollo Legend is willing to lie in his videos in order to push an agenda
  2. Apollo Legend wishes for GDQ to fail.
Which, obviously, makes him an unreliable source on things relating to GDQ. Which is what this most recent drama is about.

Edit: Finally found the screenshots. They've been taken down from a lot of places, so it's kind of hard to find them now.

And I can't actually link Apollo Legend's video where he defended rwhitegoose, because he seems to have deleted it.

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Regarding Apollo Legend:

I first found out about Apollo Legend through my YouTube recommended. This was during a period where I quit playing Runescape and creating YouTube videos for my mental health. Apollo's highlights of the speedrunning scene were my favorite content to watch, very similar to GRSmash.

One day Apollo posted a video "Speedrunning Needs Content Creators" and that video is what would eventually inspire me to create speedrunning videos myself. I took a slightly different approach to Apollo where his videos were about speedrunners reactions to things (fails, salt, pop offs, etc) and mine were about the speedruns themselves (skips, glitches, strats). I always admired and looked up to Apollo though, because in my mind he's the reason I've gotten this far in the first place.

But Apollo's content took a weird turn. He noticed that salty speedrun moments did exceptionally well compared to the other content he was creating. If I had to guess nearly 50% of the videos on his channel were salty speedrun moments (there had to have been 10-20 videos in the series). Now I don't think there's a problem with those types of videos existing, everyone enjoys a little bit of salt and if the people featured in the clips are fine with the clips being shared then there are really no issues. The problem is a lot of the people featured in these videos did NOT want their clips to be shared. These were people in their most vulnerable state, who probably have other things going on in life and may be acting out because they feel like they're in a safe environment or that nobody is watching anyways. The speedrun community also didn't like that people were starting to associate speedrunners with salt/rage. Eventually they struck back and started copyright striking his videos. I'm not sure if it was the strikes or just that Apollo had a change of perspective, but he eventually removed all of those videos (based on my conversations with him I believe it's the latter).

Another thing I didn't like about Apollo were his videos targeting Games Done Quick. These videos contained lies about the organization, the charities involved, and the organizers themselves. I could go deeper into explaining why, but CoolMatty (GDQ event organizer) 3 years ago explained all of this perfectly on Reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/c...edrun_ever_a_minidoc_about/dhjkr43/?context=3

When Apollo researches videos he only looks at evidence that suits his narrative and avoids all data or perspectives that would prove him otherwise. He has too much bias. I've spoken out about this before in this video made by Glink. Please watch from the timestamp 13:08 to 14:16 to hear more about how he's lied about the event's finances. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5TGFEoidEM&feature=youtu.be&t=788

Apollo if you're reading this please delete these videos. I think it's fine to criticize GDQ as they play an important role in our community, and it's fair to be protective of that, but these videos are propaganda and you know it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG6hPJpxzm4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlLvq_v38G4

While we are on the topic of Games Done Quick, it's time to talk about the RWhiteGoose video... yeah you know the one. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, please watch DarkViperAU's videos criticizing Apollo about said video(s) as Apollo has deleted the video from his channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmcQEjoG0d0&list=PLAnJ4ZuTYaeHQz20-Sb5EjiO9yxuWxVeR

I was so happy that DarkViper made these videos calling Apollo out, although I feel like I should have been the one to do so, but there's no way I could have done it as eloquently as DarkViper did. I'm glad we have people in the community like him and I highly respect him for it. Although people probably noticed that I was surprisingly quiet during the time that the Goose ban and Apollo video came out, and I'd like to explain more to why that was.

When Goose was banned, I was pretty vacant and busy with other things while it was going on, and truthfully at the time I didn't fully understand what he was banned for. I read through some of the imgur album (I have ADHD so it's difficult for me to read a large doc like that with nazi language and dogwhistling I didn't really understand) and it was obviously things I didn't agree with, but it wasn't until Darkviper's video and me giving an honest FULL read through that I comprehended what was really being said. As someone who holds a lot of influence in the community, I should have made myself more aware of what was going on at the time instead of putting my hands over my ears and saying "wahh I just wanna play video games fast guys, cmon." It was childish and in the future, I will hold myself more accountable on making sure I speak out about these kinds of things. I want speedrunning to remain an open space that anyone can participate in no matter who they are.

Now I was planning on tweeting out after I had my full opinions on Apollo's video, but I held back. The reason was because in a private discord server Apollo posted the video unlisted for a few of us to look over before making it live. He posted this video at 5 AM and I was so tired I didn't even watch it past the 2 minute mark. That was when I should have spoken up and stopped him from posting the video, and since then I've felt partially responsible for its existence. I felt like a hypocrite if I tweeted out about his video in hindsight when I should have expressed my opinions to him directly right there and then.

As time went on other people started posting videos lying about GDQ and I wanted to make a video debunking the claims and explaining why I support the organization. A lot of people don't know this, but I actually volunteer for GDQ creating all of the custom thumbnails you see on the YouTube VODs and I create the official highlights posted each year. So, I contacted Matty before working on a video like this to see if that was alright since I was affiliated with the org and didn't want to step on any toes. Matty was actually all for me making the video (he hates Apollo) but PR turned me down and said not to give it any attention, so I didn't. Honestly, they were probably right to turn me down, but I did try even though a lot people assumed I just didn't care.

I legitimately don't understand why Apollo made this video. He describes a hate mob that is targeting speedrunners which may or may not exist, with absolutely no evidence other than wq rambling. Furthermore, he blindly defends Goose which gives off the impression that everything that he said was okay, which it was NOT. Like how are you going to defend Goose when he's openly apologizing for what he said and accepts the ban. You really can't, but Apollo does it anyways and signals everyone to go subscribe to Goose... for what reason? Again, Apollo's bias is present in any video he gives his opinion in, to the point he defends white nationalism. Him and Goose were good friends (Apollo has an entire video dedicated to Goose and they worked closely together on Oceanside). Now I do not think that Apollo is personally bigoted because I actually have had conversations with him about this kind of stuff before, way before any of this stuff happened. But just because you're not a racist, you still defended one which isn't much better. Goose also didn't like that Apollo made the video either, I don't think he wanted defended.

In these regards I honestly hold Goose to a higher esteem than Apollo, because at least he apologized for what he did, and is taking steps to become a better person. That's literally all I can ask from someone, and I know that isn't enough for a lot of people and doesn't excuse what he said, but I'm not a hateful person. I don't want to continually shit on him and give him no reason to get better, but I'm also not going to endorse him either. Regardless of all of this Apollo has never apologized for shit, and I don't know why. You're allowed to be wrong, you're allowed to make mistakes, but you just delete your mistakes and never atone. I need some shred of remorse from you.

I feel so conflicted about my feelings on Apollo. He's always been so nice towards me and I've looked up to him as a content creator for so long. He's the reason I have everything I have today. For that reason, I let far too many things slide that I shouldn't have. I also felt like Apollo had some personal issues which were why he would disappear for periods and why even I couldn't get a hold of him for months. I worried about him, and I could never find an appropriate time to approach him where it wouldn't just make him feel worse. And I didn't want to lose a friend. I don't know if Apollo thought of me that way, but I wanted to be friends with him, I want to be friends with everybody. But I didn't reach out to him, I never did enough to make sure he was alright, I never expressed enough to him that I didn't agree with what he was doing, I'm a bad friend. Friends don't do all of that and then make a twitlonger when it's most convenient, but here I am, tired of being silent.

For a long time I thought a speedrun drama channel was necessary, so I always appreciated Apollo being there to cover stuff going on in our community, but I was so wrong. We don't need a fucking Keemstar. Bringing our community drama to a large audience has only fueled hate towards people that have only made the heinous act of cheating in a video game. We should be more responsible with who we expose and make sure it's only people that deserve it, not to farm YouTube views, as tempting as it may be. I started getting less of the opinion that Apollo was out for justice rather than views when he started uploading videos during the Caveira ordeal. During this time he uploaded 3 videos about Caveira in order to help defend me, which was a nice gesture, but he NEVER TOLD ME HE WAS MAKING EVEN A SINGLE ONE OF THOSE VIDEOS. I felt really weird about this because I felt like he was just posting the videos for views rather than trying to help me. His videos had misinformation in them and didn't include relevant information all because of his lack of communication.

That's all I want to say. Ben I appreciated you for a long time as a friend and as a content creator, and I wish you the best, but please stay out of the drama sphere. You're not responsible enough to handle it with care, and frankly our community doesn't need it. I wish you luck with the Billy Mitchell case because despite how I feel about you I still want that fucker to go down. Please do not go down a path of harming yourself, I do not want that at all, I just want you to be better because I know you're more than capable of it. Suicide is a trigger for me, a lot of people know this, and I sympathize with anyone going through those thoughts.

This is why I always end my videos with my silly saying, because no matter what life is worth living. And no matter who you are, or what you're going through right now, I hope you all have a beautiful life.

- Collin (https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sra9rd)

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Clip of EZScape, the other youtuber that he blamed in his suicide note
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Apollo Legend DROPS Billy Mitchell Lawsuit. (The Whole Story) by SFTP News

Apollo Legend Reaches Settlement in Lawsuit with Billy Mitchell by Tipster

What Happened to Apollo Legend & Oceanside? by RWhiteGoose
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Fucking speedrunning videos get 10mm views? the fuck is going on? is this shitty autistic excuse for a hobby that popular?
 
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That Jobst cunt is hardly an Australian , he has a weird fucked up accent, from watching to many American TV shows as a kid I guess or maybe its the kraut ?

He doesn't seem like a bad dude though tbh it is just so easy to laugh at him after the dam thing though ...

Now a real POS aussie speedrunner is that Dviper, I have a friend who posted him a video game while he was waiting for it to be posted he was all chummy chatting with my friend on discord, the moment he said he posted it and was just making some conversation about the game Dviper never responded lol, this is a couple years ago though came up when we were talking about the recent shit that happened..

Moral of the story don't simp out for speedrunners LOL...
 
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"Your thing is really cool" - you have to be borderline retarded to accept this, when the segment about Jobst is literally "he spent years and around 150k attempts on that thing, it is so sad, that one guy on my forums even quit watching speedrunners after he saw it".
 
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Chibi (he has a thread on here), however that was actually an edit of a memorial stream he did years ago for Satoru Iwata (one of the heads of Nintendo and I think the creator of Earthbound).
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I believe he just helped make the game work to start with, but I love that memorial for all the wrong reasons
 
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