Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Van de Ven claims to be an oral and maxilofacial surgeon on his website though, and he claims to have degrees in dentistry, medicine and maxillofacial surgery. So it's probably just good old incompetence or not caring.

I think it's more to do with the fact that they're trying to do things that these surgeries were never developed for - like with a lot of surgeries and treatments for transgender people these were originally developed with the intent on being used for something else. I mean, sure, on the outside it might not appear that these FFS surgeries actually do a lot, but the reality of it is that they're often quite extreme (despite minimal results) with things like trying to shave the bone to reduce Chad jaws as an example. That this leads to nerve damage seems inevitable.

 

[Coffee Druid]

Van de Ven claims to be an oral and maxilofacial surgeon on his website though, and he claims to have degrees in dentistry, medicine and maxillofacial surgery. So it's probably just good old incompetence or not caring.

As far as I know those hospitals are reputable, especially the Utrecht hospitals. So I guess he went butcher when he went into private practice.

Hilariously, elsewhere on the website it is stated

I stand corrected. That's absolutely worse. And I agree that by trying to delve into the ambiguity or FFS he's becoming a butcher. With a lot of dental and oral surgeries they're pretty routine and have a lot of practice behind them. While there are slight differences from patient to patient you usually know what to expect and experienced surgeons have done tons of the procedures before. But with FFS literally every patient has different shapes and structure to try to make "feminine". And biology is not on their side. It's like trying to take a stab in the dark.

 

[Questionable Ceviche]

I'm confused about these MtF people talking about lubrication during arousal, either complaining about the lack of it as a surgery defect or claiming that they get it somehow magically. Are these surgeons telling people that their neovaginas will self-lubricate like a real vagina does? I'm not sure why someone who has SRS would expect a neovagina made from testicular skin or colon tissue to become wet during sexual arousal. I'm assuming the claim by some that their neovaginas self-lubricate is either a lie fabricated for clout or them assuming that intestinal mucous discharge is the same thing as normal vaginal function, somehow.

 

[Peaches Demure]

I'm confused about these MtF people talking about lubrication during arousal, either complaining about the lack of it as a surgery defect or claiming that they get it somehow magically. Are these surgeons telling people that their neovaginas will self-lubricate like a real vagina does? I'm not sure why someone who has SRS would expect a neovagina made from testicular skin or colon tissue to become wet during sexual arousal. I'm assuming the claim by some that their neovaginas self-lubricate is either a lie fabricated for clout or them assuming that intestinal mucous discharge is the same thing as normal vaginal function, somehow.

By "self-lubricating" they don't mean "becomes wet during sexual arousal" like a real vagina; they mean a constant, never-ending production of colon mucus that requires the MTF who had the stink-ditch installed to wear pads or adult diapers for the rest of their life.

Oh yes, and it smells like shit. The colon lining is one of the places of the human body with the fastest turnover rate of cells. It means the cells divide and die quickly, just like the external keratin layer of our skin, and the old cells have to come out somehow. Normally this would be a part of your feces, but... You get the picture, surely.

 

[Swerf'n'Terf]

See that space at the bottom?

That space at the bottom is the neovag. I think the thing you are assuming to be the cock-pocket is actually the urethra. But visualise a penis there and it's where the jap's eye would be.

The inside-out penis gets pushed in right at the bottom near the anus because that's the only place it can go. As I understand it the 'root' of the penis can only be shaved down so much, which is why a common complication is erectile tissue not adequately removed - it's all a bit of a guessing game how much is too much on any individual. I'm sure there are other factors but the upshot is, it has to go in a weird, inaccurate place.

I've heard of doctors selling this as a benefit due to prostate stimulation. Thai I think, since in the US/UK it's probably an actionable offence to remind a man he has a prostate.

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

That space at the bottom is the neovag. I think the thing you are assuming to be the cock-pocket is actually the urethra. But visualise a penis there and it's where the jap's eye would be.

The inside-out penis gets pushed in right at the bottom near the anus because that's the only place it can go. As I understand it the 'root' of the penis can only be shaved down so much, which is why a common complication is erectile tissue not adequately removed - it's all a bit of a guessing game how much is too much on any individual. I'm sure there are other factors but the upshot is, it has to go in a weird, inaccurate place.

I've heard of doctors selling this as a benefit due to prostate stimulation. Thai I think, since in the US/UK it's probably an actionable offence to remind a man he has a prostate.

"Prostate stimulation" except grnh agonists are commonly used for fucking prostate cancer because they shrink it. So if they take their coveted titty skittles, prostate stimulation is minimal even doing it in the ass.

 

[UncleTusky]

It means the cells divide and die quickly, just like the external keratin layer of our skin, and the old cells have to come out somehow. Normally this would be a part of your feces, but... You get the picture, surely.

Even TiMs who get the traditional penile-inversion surgery can have something similar if the surgery does not take properly:

Spoiler: NSFW/NSFL

A fistula (flesh based tunnel) can form between the neovagina and rectum which results in defecation right out of the neovagina. Not just dead skin, actual fecal matter. Since the neovagina does not have a sphincter there is also no way to control the defecation - he will uncontrollably mess himself, possibly for the rest of his life if the corrective surgery does not take.

As proof I'm not making this all up here is a post from a trans reddit that got copied verbatim to NeoVaginaDisasters:

I await my Islamic Content ratings.

 

[Icecream]

I'm confused about these MtF people talking about lubrication during arousal, either complaining about the lack of it as a surgery defect or claiming that they get it somehow magically. Are these surgeons telling people that their neovaginas will self-lubricate like a real vagina does? I'm not sure why someone who has SRS would expect a neovagina made from testicular skin or colon tissue to become wet during sexual arousal. I'm assuming the claim by some that their neovaginas self-lubricate is either a lie fabricated for clout or them assuming that intestinal mucous discharge is the same thing as normal vaginal function, somehow.

Here's what I've gathered from my reading regarding the lubrication, aside from the colon method mentioned above (pretty uncommon afaik) I have read a few explanations.

1. The prostate is left intact so there can still be precum, this comes out of the urethra so can add lubrication to the outside but does not come from in the canal.

2. Some surgeons use a flap of the urethra which is mucosal tissue and they sew it inside, this creates some amount of wetness

3. I've heard mention of some other gland but I can't remember the name and have no idea where it's positioned and as we know each surgeon has a different technique

4. The newest one where they take peritoneal tissue from the abdomen. This is also mucosal, they use it to line part of the neovagina.

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

Since the neovagina does not have a sphincter there is also no way to control the defecation - he will uncontrollably mess himself, possibly for the rest of his life if the corrective surgery does not take.

Let's be honest, this is probably considered a bonus for the diaper fetishist ones.

 

[mama Lazarou]

And no there is not anything about a dead patient or medical board discipline that I could find. Be careful with the wording here: The poster didn't say his friend died from the procedure, only that he died - it could just have easily have been suicide from unsatisfactory results or something equally tangentially related.

Medical malpractice complaints aren't publicly available in west europistan,nor are they looked at by a legal court. They are "evaluated" by a board of peers.

For his specialization, he worked in the department for oral and maxillo-facial surgery at the Utrecht academic hospital for two years, in general surgery in Arnhem and Utrecht (Diakonessenhuis) for three years, spent 8 months working in plastic and reconstructive surgery and the Maastricht academic hospital, and 2 years in the Mund, Kiefer und plastische Gesichtschirurgie (oral, maxillo-facial and plastic facial surgery) department at the Academic hospital in Aachen, Germany.......As far as I know those hospitals are reputable, especially the Utrecht hospitals.

This isnt that great of a track record, that's a lot of hospitals. The 2 years in utrecht where still training and the fact that right after he went to general surgery wich was also his longest stint somewhere makes me think he is shit at doctoring and got btfo'd everywhere.

Terrible doctors dont get held accountable, they get passed on. Its practically impossible for someone to lose his license to practice and even then they can just emigrate and start over in another country since there is no eu registry.

 

[The Emperor Skeksis]

This isnt that great of a track record, that's a lot of hospitals. The 2 years in utrecht where still training and the fact that right after he went to general surgery wich was also his longest stint somewhere makes me think he is shit at doctoring and got btfo'd everywhere.

Terrible doctors dont get held accountable, they get passed on. Its practically impossible for someone to lose his license to practice and even then they can just emigrate and start over in another country since there is no eu registry.

That's interesting. Would the fact that he started his own clinic also be an indication that he wasn't considered 'good enough' to get a position at a hospital?

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

The newest one where they take peritoneal tissue from the abdomen. This is also mucosal, they use it to line part of the neovagina.

This technique was used for Jazz Jennings surgery...and it was and still is a complete disaster. Dude can't even move like a normal person anymore.

 

[NerdShamer]

FtM shares their thoughts on bottom surgery, gets accused of being transphobic among the reasonable comments.

 

[shuppet]

FtM shares their thoughts on bottom surgery, gets accused of being transphobic among the reasonable comments.

A commenter suggests that flesh tubes are getting a bad rap because fully healed pics are so rare and recommends r/phallo to see what they really look like long term. I checked it out...

Spoiler: NSFW

Spoiler: 10 months post op

Spoiler: 1 year post op

Spoiler: 1 year post op

Spoiler: 18 months post op

Spoiler: 20 months post op

 

[Squid Bitch]

(Full Reddit thread here.)

Spoiler: Have a bucket ready:

 

[vorechicken]

Spoiler: 20 months post op

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I know I needn't ask, but what in God's name is going on in the last picture? From the sad scarred tits with the diseased nipples, to the weird second second navel, finally culminating with what looks like cthulu's tongue inside a sausage casing surgically attached to a no doubt perfectly healthy vagoo. Looking at the skin graft reminds me of those horiffic Victorian medical diagrams. Not too dissimilar all things considered. This photo alone should be a massive blackpill - these people are a special kind of insane to not see it that way. How sad and pathetic it is.

 

[Solenoid]

That space at the bottom is the neovag. I think the thing you are assuming to be the cock-pocket is actually the urethra. But visualise a penis there and it's where the jap's eye would be.

The inside-out penis gets pushed in right at the bottom near the anus because that's the only place it can go. As I understand it the 'root' of the penis can only be shaved down so much, which is why a common complication is erectile tissue not adequately removed - it's all a bit of a guessing game how much is too much on any individual. I'm sure there are other factors but the upshot is, it has to go in a weird, inaccurate place.

I've heard of doctors selling this as a benefit due to prostate stimulation. Thai I think, since in the US/UK it's probably an actionable offence to remind a man he has a prostate.

I can't believe doctors legitimately just chop the cock off and that's somehow okay. This is even worse than I thought.

 

[Peaches Demure]

I know I needn't ask, but what in God's name is going on in the last picture? From the sad scarred tits with the diseased nipples, to the weird second second navel, finally culminating with what looks like cthulu's tongue inside a sausage casing surgically attached to a no doubt perfectly healthy vagoo. Looking at the skin graft reminds me of those horiffic Victorian medical diagrams. Not too dissimilar all things considered. This photo alone should be a massive blackpill - these people are a special kind of insane to not see it that way. How sad and pathetic it is.

The "second navel" is where she used to have a suprapubic catheter in her bladder.

Congrats, I guess, to this one for managing to fuck up both her arm and leg for a useless flesh flap that neither looks nor works like anything remotely similar to a dick.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

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A commenter suggests that flesh tubes are getting a bad rap because fully healed pics are so rare and recommends r/phallo to see what they really look like long term. I checked it out...

Spoiler: NSFW

Spoiler: 10 months post op

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Spoiler: 1 year post op

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Spoiler: 18 months post op

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The older results are still garbage. Also lmao the last one. Looks like an actual sausage.

 

[PinkDancingDogs]

Why on earth do they claim that they want to pass, but have hairy asses? If you have a toes to nose pelt naturally, no amount of estrogen is going to make you pass for a woman.