Furry Fandom and Drama General

Do you mean Totally Spies?
Yep. Another example is this travesty from "The Lion Guard" I saw a clip of on here a while ago or being passed around cursed media Twitter.


The amount of production value and detail given to this is astounding, and this is Disney pulling this shit.
 
Yep. Another example is this travesty from "The Lion Guard" I saw a clip of on here a while ago or being passed around cursed media Twitter.


The amount of production value and detail given to this is astounding, and this is Disney pulling this shit.
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Yep. Another example is this travesty from "The Lion Guard" I saw a clip of on here a while ago or being passed around cursed media Twitter.


The amount of production value and detail given to this is astounding, and this is Disney pulling this shit.
*reads title*
*peeks around in the video timeline*
Th 'Excalibur Face' is perfect here... I was going to watch that series, too...
 
I say 'Disagree', bu that was a very cautious 'Disagree'.
I honestly do no think that everything odd in cartoons is a fetish. After all, one of the draws of animation is you being able to draw anything... even the impossible. Some cartoons revel in that impossibility.
A the same time, I do not deny Dan Schnieder... or a lot o fanservice i Nipponese cartoons, even those aimed at children. After all, Dragonball (the original series) can get quite raunchy. Also, the outfits in Winx Club (an Italian cartoon) are a lot more fanservicey tha normal, yet, apparently that is a cultural thing, Europe being more lax in erotic matters, but...
In short, I do not consider this an 'all or none' thing.
Maybe I was just desensitized to that stuff by the time I got to watching it, but most of the raunchy "for kids" anime I've seen tends to focus on either "standard" fanservice (girls in various states of undress or provoctive poses), or pervs stealing underwear (which is a highly Japanese thing). The European cartoons I've seen (Totally Spies for example), also stick with fairly basic fanservice (although TS has a lot of tied-up people...). To me, those things would create more "healthy" sexual associations than the grotesque shit you see in any given "squeaky clean" Nickelodeon cartoon in the past 30 years.

I'm sure I'm missing a lot of weird shit out there since I don't go out of my way to find it, but to me a lot of this feels like the equivalent of sneaking a Playboy magazine when you're in middle school, compared to a hardcore BDSM fetish porn magazine instead. Yeah, both have titties on display and both are going to be "informative" and leave an impression if that was your first contact with the content, but one will leave you far closer to a normal human being than the other.

ETA: all that said, I don't think there's any kind of mustache-twirling plot to corrupt children, at least not at the creator level. Creative people tend to be weird, and they also tend to create the things they like, so the creators'/artists' off-the-wall kinks might bleed through and it's almost inevitable. It's when the upper echelons get in on the game that things start going off the rails, because the execs are supposed to rein in the weirdos, not jack off to the same shit they do.
 
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Yep. Another example is this travesty from "The Lion Guard" I saw a clip of on here a while ago or being passed around cursed media Twitter.


The amount of production value and detail given to this is astounding, and this is Disney pulling this shit.
When the girl skunk thing huffs in the farts and goes back for seconds with o-face.
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This has to have an agenda. They are making furries who can't get enough of this. It's setting up a fetish-industrial complex so all their artists have side gigs and keep paying for college but don't join unions.
 
i'm a firm believer in the "90s/early 2000s animators sneaking their fetishes into their work to convert people" conspiracy theory but i'm not entirely convinced they were purposefully trying to groom children - obscure fetishes like these tend to manifest as something you find weirdly interesting as a little kid (aka it leaves a mental impression), until your brain decides it was sexual later on in life and by that point you've already gone down the epic deviantart rabbithole. i think it's a topic that merits further research but ultimately people are just fucking weird
 
On that note, becoming a furry is one of the things I see as a detriment towards the individual's personality. You integrate yourself into a group that primarily handles sexual matters alongside a culture that you would have to follow, unless you like shunning. You can argue the fact that some groups do encourage more positive growth in a person than negative, and yes that does happen. The furry group, however, promotes more negative growth than it does positive.
Thing is, this stuff is relative. Compared to joining Latin Scholar club? I can see an argument here. But way too specific to function as a stress relief for a wider demographics. And not very accessible overall.
Playing MTG? It's Ok, but have problems of its own. Plus, it's a primordial lootbox game. Plus, cardboard cutouts can cost more than an art comission. Some of them needed in groups of 4.
Church of Scientology? Furries, no discussion. At least in furries you would get a funy dog picture for every 100$ invested. And more cohesive worldbuilding in fanfiction.
And all this ranking makes sense only if there's a conscious decision, aka "Today, after throughly considering all present options, I've decided to become a furry. Now I will go to GlobalFur office to fill papers and get a membership card". I belive, most of the time it's not like this. Process of joining is sequential. Not much one can do, espechially a troubled individual. In the end, furry shit might just resonate with someone on a subconscious level. There's not many options here, unless wearing an itchy shirt and other methods of self-flagelation are considered.

As for sexual themes, main problem is that the younger side of the fandom may contact it. There's no easy solution to it, as long as children are allowed on the internet. The ones to discuss basics of sex ed with children are their parents. Parents also should become more in touch with how internet works. My parents told me about not going to the bad parts of the city, not going anywhere with strangers, etc. Same should be applied to the internet, at the very least. Internet advisory guides for children and parents should be made and promoted untill that stuff becomes common knowlege. I'm pretty sure that some board of education officials are supposed to do exactly that, as in investigate the situation and develop guidelines. And even still it boils down to mutual trust between parents and children.
There is a distinct childness present in nearly every furry group imaginable, with petty issues being bloated to massive problems.
I'd say sounds like modern day internet. Furry dramas are just exotic to a non-furry.
Further, whilst the group encourages creative freedom, it ironically removes any freedom a person might have when creating art. Since it's furry, every piece of art should have some kind of animal in it. You can only draw so many pastel-colored wolves before its unoriginal. And pray tell, even if you did create something wholly original, what prevents others from stealing it, posting said steal and claiming *you* stole the concept?
That's an issue of when an individual in question would learn when and how to say "bitch, please". An overall usefull skill, in my opinion. Fundamentially, same shit happens everywhere in society. Additionally, let me press F in remembrance of all the stolen memes.
Further, the idea of 'being accepted by the community as you are' is abhorrent. Yes, morally and ethically this idea sounds solid. In practice, however, this leads to all sorts of unsavourable individuals seeking asylum in the group. I believe I don't need to present evidence of that in this forum, but another group that attempted the same was the bronies. Look how that panned out.
Yes, that's a problem. But this acceptance is what makes a troubled individual join. Not much we can do.
Additionally, furries are not a group(shit would've been much easier, if they were), but an amount of groups that are interconnected with an amount of other groups from the same pool, somewhat united by the appreciation of anthropomorphic and unreal animals. What I am trying to say is, furry fandom can be drasticly different in different parts of it. And in which exact part separate individual will land is a question of a coin toss. Multidimensional coin, but still very random.
I don't believe the fandom creates less-than-ideal individuals, rather the group atmosphere amplifies the already present problems in a person. Further, the reputation of the group will have some effect upon the members of such groups. How would a person think about being apart of the same group that have active pedophiles/zoophiles that have been exposed and arrested? You can argue this for every group, that a single individual's action (or that of a small cliche of said group) does not represent the whole of the group. Then again, I haven't heard of a creative group that habours multiple persons capable of decapitating a puppy's corpse then fucking it's head.
It tends to stick with you.
Yes, I somewhat agree with you. It's more people with pre-existing tendencies tend to enter fandom, then fandom molding wierdos out of normies. Again, nothing can be done, and only god knows, how these tendencies play out in different conditions.
As for stigma by association, ask politicans, espechially the higher-positioned segment. I tell you this: I'll trust a furry before I'll trust a politican. If politicans wouldn't had dedicated PR teams and were as carefree as furries, hoo boy, we would've been living in a perpetual reality-shit-show, even worse and more hillarious than the one we're currently in.
 
Thing is, this stuff is relative. Compared to joining Latin Scholar club? I can see an argument here.
Yes, depending on the person they may have a completely different reaction towards the furry fandom, I will not argue with you here.
And all this ranking makes sense only if there's a conscious decision, aka "Today, after throughly considering all present options, I've decided to become a furry. Now I will go to GlobalFur office to fill papers and get a membership card". I belive, most of the time it's not like this. Process of joining is sequential. Not much one can do, espechially a troubled individual. In the end, furry shit might just resonate with someone on a subconscious level. There's not many options here, unless wearing an itchy shirt and other methods of self-flagelation are considered.
Regardless, the individual in question should have some amount of awareness of what they are getting themselves into, irrespective if they made a conscious decision or not. They may subconsciously enjoy being a furry, yet this doesn't reprieve themselves of having responsibilities and self-awareness. If a individual is acting in a bizarre manner, I am far more likely to attribute that to a lack of effort on the person's part - barring actual mental disabilities.
As for sexual themes, main problem is that the younger side of the fandom may contact it. There's no easy solution to it, as long as children are allowed on the internet. The ones to discuss basics of sex ed with children are their parents. Parents also should become more in touch with how internet works. My parents told me about not going to the bad parts of the city, not going anywhere with strangers, etc. Same should be applied to the internet, at the very least. Internet advisory guides for children and parents should be made and promoted untill that stuff becomes common knowlege. I'm pretty sure that some board of education officials are supposed to do exactly that, as in investigate the situation and develop guidelines. And even still it boils down to mutual trust between parents and children.
I agree with the solutions that you have given, however at least some effort should be taken with websites that promote sexual content to resist underaged access. Now, it is a reality that a 15-year old can't resist themselves and will try and succeed in accessing the site regardless. It happens, and the attempt by a website to implement further measures to prevent this would negatively impact their accessability with their normal userbase. Regardless, the basic registration-required method in combination with the above advisory guidelines should assist greatly in preventing unwanted access. I believe at least some furry sites have measures such as this in place.
I'd say sounds like modern day internet. Furry dramas are just exotic to a non-furry.
I agree with the modern internet, but furry drama seems to be in general far more petty and spiteful than most others. This is part of the reason why we have a entire subforum to deal with such issues.
That's an issue of when an individual in question would learn when and how to say "bitch, please". An overall usefull skill, in my opinion. Fundamentially, same shit happens everywhere in society. Additionally, let me press F in remembrance of all the stolen memes.
The effectiveness of this may vary depending on the person who stole the art in the first place. One way to prove thineself innocent is to archive.md the art in question in the same day as it was released. When pressured, present the evidence. Most of the time, their art would pop op later than yours. Even if the thief still maintained you stole it, anyone with half a brain-cell would determine that you are the innocent party. It isn't that you have to convince the opposing party that you are free of ill-will, you have to prove to everyone else that you are innocent.

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Yes, I somewhat agree with you. It's more people with pre-existing tendencies tend to enter fandom, then fandom molding wierdos out of normies. Again, nothing can be done, and only god knows, how these tendencies play out in different conditions.
I agree with you completely here.
As for stigma by association, ask politicans, espechially the higher-positioned segment. I tell you this: I'll trust a furry before I'll trust a politican. If politicans wouldn't had dedicated PR teams and were as carefree as furries, hoo boy, we would've been living in a perpetual reality-shit-show, even worse and more hillarious than the one we're currently in.
I agree with your line of reasoning here, but the point I attempted to make with my prior post is the mental effect of the individual in question being apart of a fandom that infamously has several members be zoosadists and pedophiles. Further, it is no question that furries have a reputation akin to that of a black hole. The person in question may ask themself: "Holy shit, I'm literally part of a fandom that haboured multiple unsavoury individuals and have nuked their reputation into the fucking soil. How does this reflect on me?".

Otherwise, I wish to thank you for engaging with this discussion. It is quite the relief to engage with a individual that doesn't immediately scream "Nazi", or "Facist" the moment they read the first paragraph.

Edit: Some phrases edited to be more clear and some spelling fixed.
 
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i'm a firm believer in the "90s/early 2000s animators sneaking their fetishes into their work to convert people" conspiracy theory but i'm not entirely convinced they were purposefully trying to groom children - obscure fetishes like these tend to manifest as something you find weirdly interesting as a little kid (aka it leaves a mental impression), until your brain decides it was sexual later on in life and by that point you've already gone down the epic deviantart rabbithole. i think it's a topic that merits further research but ultimately people are just fucking weird

Eh, I think a lot of the animators in the 90's and early 2000's who were sneaking in fetish content definitely existed but the motive was a lot less nefarious than grooming or "conversion"

I think it was more like some kind of an inside joke or office game where they'd see who could sneak in the most weird stuff and still get away with it.

IIRC, didn't the Totally Spies crew outright admit that after a certain point they were adding in obscure fetishes they had no interest in just to see if anyone would pick up on it?

The "vanilla" fanservice like you see in shonen anime of girls in bikinis or whatever can probably be chalked up to trying to appeal to thirteen year old boys who just stopped seeing girls as "icky" and want to think their children's cartoon is more "edgy" and "grown up" than what they used to like and get more people to watch it so the studio can make more money.

It's dumb and cringe in its own right but it at least makes sense on a normie level to a certain extent, unlike the weird fetish stuff being snuck in.
 
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I'll try to be brief this time and avoid longposting.

First, on porn sites implementing child-repelling measures. I've heard, that in Brittain they've tried to implement porn-watching loicense some time ago. Like one have to go to a dedicated place and buy/get a license to acess porn. This sounds bad. And there are not many options. Logarithm captcha? This may make children learn math, but will not prevent acess.
About mental effects of belonging to a questionable morale group. I know even better example. Should try asking some Nestle employes, how they feel about that accident, when the company was providing their child formula for free to women somewhere in Africa, if memory serves me right, untill they've stopped lactating, after which company removed the 'free' part out of it. Many children died. That's harder to cope with, since this was sanctioned by higher-ups. Furries are not a set structure. If I was one, I would not let actions of somebody I never knew, who happens to like same shit as I, define who I am. It's important to stay by your convictions. If I did not fuck any animals, groomed any kids or had a direct opportunity to make any of the above not happen but chose not to, there's nothing I am guilty of.
As for "dealing with such issues", I don't think we exactly deal with any of that here. To deal with a problem requires some power in the framework of the problem. For our situation, it would require a considerable institutional power in the furry community. I can't even imagine, how is it possible in a global decentralized community without a set hierarchical structure.
 
Eh, I think a lot of the animators in the 90's and early 2000's who were sneaking in fetish content definitely existed but the motive was a lot less nefarious than grooming or "conversion"

I think it was more like some kind of an inside joke or office game where they'd see who could sneak in the most weird stuff and still get away with it.
I'm not really familiar with Totally Spies but the 90s were filled with all kinds of fucked up shit they snuck in to see what they could get past the censors.

Rocko's Modern Life had phone sex, a European snuff film, an entire episode about coming out as gay...
 
I'm not really familiar with Totally Spies but the 90s were filled with all kinds of fucked up shit they snuck in to see what they could get past the censors.

Rocko's Modern Life had phone sex, a European snuff film, an entire episode about coming out as gay...
Rocko's Modern Life was definitely not meant for kids, but since it was a cartoon featuring colorful talking animals, every TV station in the world decided to put it in the kids' cartoons block.
 
I've heard, that in Brittain they've tried to implement porn-watching loicense some time ago.
I've heard about that.
That incident was one of the most idiotic decisions I've ever seen from a government.
That's harder to cope with, since this was sanctioned by higher-ups.
Debatable. If you enter an employee contract with the company, you are then agreeing to do work in enchange for money. This is a formal contract that is regulated by a entire economy and is inherently impersonal. The vast majority of the time, you are here to get money. Any decisions made by your higher-ups inherently do not reflect on you as a person, since you are only as involved as the contract stipulates. One exception to this is if you knew about the shady shit going on at the company, you had several alternatives to work at and you are not in a bad financial situation yet still chose to work there, then yes this can reflect negatively for the individual.
Furries are not a set structure.
Yes, they are not. But one can argue that it can be even more damning for a individual to be found in that group than a shady company. When you are becoming a furry, it's not a contract. It's application of free will. You join a group for far more personal reasons that you would otherwise do for a company (Barring joining so you can exclusively make art and sell it, which is more about profit than anything else). Further, a working man/woman would naturally have less free time than their work hours, making their decision on what to do with their free time a more powerful indicator of their personality. If you join the furry fandom, with it's years of bad reputation and unsavoury individuals, it doesn't tend to look good for other onlookers.
If I was one, I would not let actions of somebody I never knew, who happens to like same shit as I, define who I am.
I agree, this is basic human 101. You still don't look good being a part of a fandom that habours less-than-ideal persons. The rationality of this being that if you were so concerned about not doing dodgy and horrific shit, why did you join a group that has/had these kinds of poeple? Consistantly? In a generally recreative group no less?
As for "dealing with such issues", I don't think we exactly deal with any of that here.
I agree. We would have to have some sort of power structure in place, as you said. But I don't have any need to deal with such issues. Frankly, I don't care about the furry fandom. My concern starts and ends with the horrific shit that is repeatedly found in the fandom. Clearly some atmosphere in that fandom amplifies the already present negative traits present in some individuals which the fandom attracts like moths to a flame. I would love to see some sort of regulational body tackling these issues, but as anything that has to do with furries, that would most likely fail.

Currently, I see the fandom as a 'honey-pot' for unsavourable individuals. If you openly declare yourself apart of it, I will regard you with suspicion. The positive thing I see about the fandom is that it makes the unwanted persons more susceptible to exposure by anyone else.

Apologies about the long post.
 
I've heard, that in Brittain they've tried to implement porn-watching loicense some time ago.
Oh, Britain is weird about porn. Went from selling adult mags in pretty much every newsagent, so hiding that stuff to quiet little sex shop corners. Despite the fact we literally have full on fetish 'bondage gardens' and convention-like things that happen.

England literally tried to put a strict ban on BDSM and bondage porn a while. The AVMS banned anything from face sitting, fisting and breathplay, pissplay - Anything they deemed harmful or morally wrong.

We had a bunch of protesters in full bondage gear and whips out fighting hard against it.

But yeah, the license bullshit was never going to work. I know some places wanted to implement the same thing except for different themed 'packages' of browsing the internet you had to subscribe to. ie. If you bought a 'social media' package liscence, you'd be only getting access to places like Facebook and what not. It never caught on.

It sucks, yet porn is everywhere, especially on the internet. A lot of us are exposed as kids, even if only accidentally. Too many parents don't give a shit what their kids are up to - At least that's how it was growing up for me. The internet was a complete wild west. I found erotic furry shit accidentally simply by looking up art of dragons and dinosaurs and fall down a rabbit hole, back when Web Rings and weird niche personal webpages were a thing. My main issue with the openness of the fandom being that kids finding it often do run into sexual adults.
 
I've heard about that.
That incident was one of the most idiotic decisions I've ever seen from a government.

Debatable. If you enter an employee contract with the company, you are then agreeing to do work in enchange for money. This is a formal contract that is regulated by a entire economy and is inherently impersonal. The vast majority of the time, you are here to get money. Any decisions made by your higher-ups inherently do not reflect on you as a person, since you are only as involved as the contract stipulates. One exception to this is if you knew about the shady shit going on at the company, you had several alternatives to work at and you are not in a bad financial situation yet still chose to work there, then yes this can reflect negatively for the individual.

Yes, they are not. But one can argue that it can be even more damning for a individual to be found in that group than a shady company. When you are becoming a furry, it's not a contract. It's application of free will. You join a group for far more personal reasons that you would otherwise do for a company (Barring joining so you can exclusively make art and sell it, which is more about profit than anything else). Further, a working man/woman would naturally have less free time than their work hours, making their decision on what to do with their free time a more powerful indicator of their personality. If you join the furry fandom, with it's years of bad reputation and unsavoury individuals, it doesn't tend to look good for other onlookers.

I agree, this is basic human 101. You still don't look good being a part of a fandom that habours less-than-ideal persons. The rationality of this being that if you were so concerned about not doing dodgy and horrific shit, why did you join a group that has/had these kinds of poeple? Consistantly? In a generally recreative group no less?

I agree. We would have to have some sort of power structure in place, as you said. But I don't have any need to deal with such issues. Frankly, I don't care about the furry fandom. My concern starts and ends with the horrific shit that is repeatedly found in the fandom. Clearly some atmosphere in that fandom amplifies the already present negative traits present in some individuals which the fandom attracts like moths to a flame. I would love to see some sort of regulational body tackling these issues, but as anything that has to do with furries, that would most likely fail.

Currently, I see the fandom as a 'honey-pot' for unsavourable individuals. If you openly declare yourself apart of it, I will regard you with suspicion. The positive thing I see about the fandom is that it makes the unwanted persons more susceptible to exposure by anyone else.

Apologies about the long post.
You put entirely too much thought into how other people view furries. The average person isn't going to see your costume and immediately think of the degenerate fetish sides of the community if they don't already have prior knowledge. And they likely don't care because making a huge fit over shit someone does in their private time vs what they do during office hours is something most people don't do and would be a pretty big overreach of a company.

It would be like someone having a fit over gamers or weeb shit (which is arguably more degenerate with all the sexualized 8 year olds on display). Or finding out someone is active in BDSM clubs. In the larger picture, no one fucking cares as long as it doesn't impact your job.
 
i'm a firm believer in the "90s/early 2000s animators sneaking their fetishes into their work to convert people" conspiracy theory but i'm not entirely convinced they were purposefully trying to groom children - obscure fetishes like these tend to manifest as something you find weirdly interesting as a little kid (aka it leaves a mental impression), until your brain decides it was sexual later on in life and by that point you've already gone down the epic deviantart rabbithole. i think it's a topic that merits further research but ultimately people are just fucking weird
All you mothafuckas wall of texting. It's not grooming. It's programming. Personal libido? No, orders from the top.

It only takes a few consumers per instance to create a grey market, so fill a show with obscure fetish cues and it works.

Their shows are made by highly skilled people who are captive and insecure. You know how gaming is. Same here. How does their talent pay art school debt and keep the mojo between gigs?

Freelance porn. Not for the resume, keeps them fed, no unions and they're sitting on morality clause jobkillers if they try it.

Disney has a pirate problem, so they don't just dominate from the demand side, but from the supply side. Furry porn is the linchpin for capturing talent.

The orders come from a fetish index they keep next to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
 
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