Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

Having read some real horror stories regarding the maltreatment pregnant women have gotten put through both in the past and present - and not just like random one offs, there’s some doctors who have long histories of subjecting women to expensive, unnecessary and/or damaging procedures under the guise of “you and your baby will literally die if you don’t listen to me” to outright abuse and rarely suffer consequences for it - I get some of the concerns and trepidations a lot of women have. Hell, both Beyoncé and Serena Williams almost died in child birth precisely because their doctors refused to listen to them when they said they were having problems until the very last minute; if it can to two very wealthy and influential women who can afford the best, it can happen to anyone.

But the thing is that that’s an issue that needs awareness and reforms to be fixed, not what ever the fuck Luna’s mom was doing.
The fear of doctors and hospitals for birth is very big and very real. Abuse of pregnant and laboring women is very well documented, and more women are aware now it now that social media has made it easier for these women to talk about their experiences. In some ways it's a boon to educate women and hold hospitals and their staff accountable, but it's also allowed a lot of snake oil salesmen to latch onto these legitimate fears for their own personal gain. Then we get preventable tragedies like Luna as a result.
 
I'm very curious as to what her relationship with her husband is like; she only ever talks about herself and Luna (but mainly talks about herself when talking about Luna). He doesn't even appear in many pictures. Luna is his baby too, there should be more photos of them together, and even just ones of the two of them. But I've never seen the Sociopath post anything like that.

And yes, she is incredibly vain and selfish to the point of very fucked priorities. The very first thing she did when she began the early stages of labor was to run out and get her pregnant "lady bits" waxed and her nails done. It didn't matter that those same "lady bits" would soon have a baby shoved through them, or that the perfectly manicured hands would shortly thereafter be wrist deep in diapers, what mattered more was that she had to look a certain way when she posed for labor photos in the photo studio that's supposed to be their living room. I will be very surprised if she doesn't do the same thing and get waxed and manicured for Luna 2.0, though she might not talk about it after the backlash she apparently got with the horrible story of Luna's birth. After all there's indications she's going to have another home birth water birth.

Speaking of the whole home birth debacle, I don't get the mindset that leads to these dangerous and deadly situations. I do understand it's hard to be in situations where you're not in control, but that's just the way health works when you want the best possible outcome. Yes, a hospital birth may lead to procedures and interventions you might not have wanted, but in the end you'll go home with your healthy, living baby. And Luna's permanent and ultimately fatal injury was 100% preventable if the Sociopath was in a hospital room instead of at home.

In a very sick and twisted way though Luna is unfortunately the ideal baby for Miss Sociopath since she doesn't seem to understand how babies are supposed to work. This is evident in how she regarded Luna when she was a tiny (small headed) newborn: Luna didn't cry and was, in her mind, "good". Right there she revealed that in her mind, a crying newborn (or baby of any age) isn't normal, but bad. Only good babies don't cry, and if the doctors ever told her that after Luna was diagnosed with seizures and critical brain damage, I doubt it really registered with her. For her, Luna is an accessory, not a tiny person. Even her unborn baby is already an accessory and not a future tiny person. An accessory she might detest if it's normal and thus cries, actually has a personality, and free will.

What unnerves me the most about this whole situation is that it took them 3 months to realize that there was something wrong with Luna. I went through some old Instagram content that they posted around the time they finally took her to the emergency room, and it shows a lot of red flags. Her forehead and eyes were both bulging; there are videos showing her having obvious seizures; she appeared to be underweight; and as previously mentioned, she hardly cried. They took her for well baby visits with a chiropractor instead of a real doctor, which likely would have detected the encephalomalacia/hydrocephalus a lot sooner, and the shunt surgery could have been performed earlier where it posed a lesser risk. But because she has more faith in woo bullshit than she does in modern medicine, she can conveniently shift the blame to the doctors who wouldn't do the shunt surgery until it was too late, and earn extra crunchy mama/reiki master/medical freedom/Instagram influencer pity points (not to mention earning money from the suckers who follow her).

Therefore, because Ms Empath is afflicted with a serious case of Dunning-Kruger effect, Luna is forced to live an existence where she (probably) can't see, can't hear, can't close her eyes, has daily seizures, is in a lot of pain, and is trotted out as a prop for her narcissistic mother. It's just fucking appalling.

I've read that one common cause of encephalomalacia is physical abuse; I wonder if CPS is involved. I don't think they physically abused her, but just about anyone else (read: anyone who isn't a middle-class or better white lady like Ms Empath) would likely be investigated, of not for abuse than for medical neglect.

I assume Luna's dad isn't around much. Isn't that usually the case with the partners of crazy munchie women? When he is around he probably enables his wife to do whatever insane woo shit she wants.
Can't say I blame him. That nasal voice alone would drive me batshit.

Luna rolled over!
I'm pretty sure turning her 7/8ths of the way doesn't count as "rolling".

She deleted this from the site and any mention of the birth having any issues.
Probably because there's a lawsuit that will be filed at some point. Perhaps she thinks that deleting documentation of her poor decisions will work in her favor. Someone needs to remind Ms Empath that the Internet is forever.
Catching up with the empathic Luna. Poor girl. Why is her face so red?
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Reading the caption on that picture just reminds me of this:
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They took her for well baby visits with a chiropractor instead of a real doctor
Which is also an indication that Luna never received any vaccinations. It doesn't do her a lot of good now, but it'd be dangerous for a normal child. A quick jog to the CDC website shows that vaccinations from birth to two months old include HepB, Rotavirus; a nasty and common illness that can cause severe vomiting and diarrhea in babies and children without enough immunity, Diphtheria, Tetanus, whooping cough; which is severe and potentially fatal in infants, and polio. That doesn't include the ones that come later in infancy and childhood, like MMR and chicken pox. Odds are likely that Luna's sibling is going to be at risk for a lot of serious illnesses with a mother whose first thought for treatment would be extra crystals, reiki, and special vegetable "blends" she read online would definitely treat and cure the symptoms of whatever they have.
 
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Maybe the husband is taking the pictures? OTOH, it's not unlikely either that she just wants him to be a wallet and a sperm donor; that's actually not uncommon with people who have NORMAL kids.

Over the decades, I have personally heard far more horror stories from female OB/GYNs than I have male ones.

Deliberate home births (not the ones that happen by accident because the labor was that quick) can be a wonderful experience if done right, and that's the key phrase - IF DONE RIGHT. I recently watched a show I had Tivo'ed a while back about the country singers Joey and Rory Feek, and their daughter, who has Down Syndrome no less, was indeed born at home - and shortly afterwards, the midwife called an ambulance because something unspecified went wrong. (Most likely, the placenta wasn't coming out.) She DID have prenatal care, from a midwife, and it was that midwife who suspected that Joey had cervical cancer at her 3-month checkup. Sadly, she was right and Joey died a couple years later.

Their daughter is by no means a potato; she appears to be healthy and relatively high functioning.
 
Caps of random dead fundie baby shit I found mildly interesting
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Putting a shirt about a dead baby on a living kid. I'm pretty sure she doesn't even know what love or brothers are, let alone that she has a (dead) one considering she's a baby

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This seemed like something that needed to be shared on our New Zealand fruit forum

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Isn't a 6-7 week old fetus a tiny little shrimpy thing? I'm imagining her holding a blob of blood and tissue that looks more like a heavy flow day than anything else.

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They couldn't abort a fetus, but they could carry on a FUBAR pregnancy and potentially cause their fucked up fetus to suffer.

they also have a blog. I'm going through trying to see if they say what the fuck condition it had. The fact that she seems to be kinda quiet about the diagnosis makes me think it was something really bad.
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"If I carried a FUBAR fetus until it died naturally from whatever was wrong with it, so should everyone else!"

EDIT: based on this entry I'm going to assume severe Potter's syndrome
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She didn't want him in pain, but she thinks abortion is so horrible. Also the entry features a pic of a visibly rotting dead baby hand.

EDIT 2: found another entry that mentions some of the specific shit wrong. I'm not sure what half of this shit even is but I assume it means your baby is fucked. The post also contains a (different) visibly rotting dead baby pic.
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Caps of random dead fundie baby shit I found mildly interesting
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Putting a shirt about a dead baby on a living kid. I'm pretty sure she doesn't even know what love or brothers are, let alone that she has a (dead) one considering she's a baby

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This seemed like something that needed to be shared on our New Zealand fruit forum



I know people have different ways of grieving, lord knows I've had trouble letting go but you gotta let go god damn. It's weird to me one can find others in the same sort of denial/ emotional hardships online and they manage to support or convince each other nothing's wrong and they dont need to change a thing. Maybe I shouldnt, plenty of loonies find other loonies online and form a circle jerk of "your fine its ok" type of group- nott saying these people are loonies-just hurt souls.
I know I'm not going through what they are and I cant understand how hard shit is for them but god damn I feel like they're living in another world if they do/ say things like that
hell we're all in our own little worlds to some extent..
 
"Kill me." ~ Luna

"Only" an extra chromosome, even though 16 out of 22 (excluding the sex chromosomes) trisomies are 100% incompatible with life and 5 very rarely survive to birth. And with the latter, very few of them survive much longer than birth. In fact, there is only one non-sex trisomy that is considered properly compatible with life and that's trisomy 21 aka Down syndrome. Even though many individuals with Down syndrome have thyroid problems, serious heart problems, and are significantly more likely to develop dementia (and develop it earlier) than their non-affected peers. So I have to say hard disagree there, a trisomy is a whole lot to worry about.
 
"Kill me." ~ Luna


"Only" an extra chromosome, even though 16 out of 22 (excluding the sex chromosomes) trisomies are 100% incompatible with life and 5 very rarely survive to birth. And with the latter, very few of them survive much longer than birth. In fact, there is only one non-sex trisomy that is considered properly compatible with life and that's trisomy 21 aka Down syndrome. Even though many individuals with Down syndrome have thyroid problems, serious heart problems, and are significantly more likely to develop dementia (and develop it earlier) than their non-affected peers. So I have to say hard disagree there, a trisomy is a whole lot to worry about.

In the chat the other day, me and two other users were talking about DS and dementia..they were shocked to learn 30 percent of people with DS develop it.
 
Yeah i the lift expectancy for people with DS is shorter than average. They can have good quality of life, sadly they do have those serious health issues.

She also was super butthurt a doctor called her fucked up fetus an it. At a time when it was still fairly early in gestation from the sounds of it
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Shit, plenty of people call whole-ass babies it. It's not like they have any concept of gender or much of anything beyond basic needs.
 
In the chat the other day, me and two other users were talking about DS and dementia..they were shocked to learn 30 percent of people with DS develop it.
Yup, I being this fact up everytime the genetics classes get to ethics or whatever and literally nobody knows. Certainly throws a wrench in their 'you cant selectively abort cause wah wah slippery slope wah'.
 
Caps of random dead fundie baby shit I found mildly interesting
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Putting a shirt about a dead baby on a living kid. I'm pretty sure she doesn't even know what love or brothers are, let alone that she has a (dead) one considering she's a baby

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This seemed like something that needed to be shared on our New Zealand fruit forum

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Isn't a 6-7 week old fetus a tiny little shrimpy thing? I'm imagining her holding a blob of blood and tissue that looks more like a heavy flow day than anything else.

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They couldn't abort a fetus, but they could carry on a FUBAR pregnancy and potentially cause their fucked up fetus to suffer.

they also have a blog. I'm going through trying to see if they say what the fuck condition it had. The fact that she seems to be kinda quiet about the diagnosis makes me think it was something really bad.
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"If I carried a FUBAR fetus until it died naturally from whatever was wrong with it, so should everyone else!"

EDIT: based on this entry I'm going to assume severe Potter's syndrome
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She didn't want him in pain, but she thinks abortion is so horrible. Also the entry features a pic of a visibly rotting dead baby hand.

EDIT 2: found another entry that mentions some of the specific shit wrong. I'm not sure what half of this shit even is but I assume it means your baby is fucked. The post also contains a (different) visibly rotting dead baby pic.
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You can barely see a five week embryo (not a fetus yet) with the naked eye, it’s the size of a strawberry seed ffs. This lady basically bought a coffin for a period flow.

(Until the advent of at home tests it was incredibly common for women to miscarry before 8 weeks and have no idea they were ever even pregnant. Before 1970 they didn’t even bother to do pregnancy tests until about 12 weeks or 2-3 missed menstrual cycles. Now women test the first day of a missed period, but pee strip is the only reason most women are even aware they are pregnant early on.)
 
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"Only" an extra chromosome, even though 16 out of 22 (excluding the sex chromosomes) trisomies are 100% incompatible with life and 5 very rarely survive to birth. And with the latter, very few of them survive much longer than birth. In fact, there is only one non-sex trisomy that is considered properly compatible with life and that's trisomy 21 aka Down syndrome. Even though many individuals with Down syndrome have thyroid problems, serious heart problems, and are significantly more likely to develop dementia (and develop it earlier) than their non-affected peers. So I have to say hard disagree there, a trisomy is a whole lot to worry about.
I was going to say, I've seen that/a variation of that on a shirt a number of times growing up. Without powerleveling, I spent a lot of time volunteering with kids with disabilities growing up, and it was actually a relatively common one I saw worn by kids with Down's Syndrome. Granted, most of the time was meant to indicate, "I may look different, but I'm not scary!" to other kids, not explain away trying to birth something already dead
 
Yup, I being this fact up everytime the genetics classes get to ethics or whatever and literally nobody knows. Certainly throws a wrench in their 'you cant selectively abort cause wah wah slippery slope wah'.

Crazy that people seemingly ignore this fact given that dementia and alzheimers is one of the worst diseases you can get other than ALS and Huntington's. This is my job day in and day out and I've seen people go from early stage to needing a facility because their family can no longer care for them.
 
In the chat the other day, me and two other users were talking about DS and dementia..they were shocked to learn 30 percent of people with DS develop it.
Nowadays, they're living long enough to do so. That happened to my friend's uncle, a man about whom the doctors said, "Put him in an institution and tell everyone that he died" which his parents refused to do, a decision which benefited him the most. He was born back in the day when they didn't even know exactly what Down Syndrome was. Of course, this is not a decision every family can make but they did what was right for them, and him.
 
I guess women who aborted wanted pregnancies because of fetal abnormality are shit outta luck, all they get are links to prolife propaganda instead of a box.
I don't think that's quite fair. They call the abortion support organizations "wonderful." It's quite likely that it says in their organization charter, and in the promises they made to their donors, that the funds would only be used for women who suffered due to unintended loss of pregnancy.
. They took her for well baby visits with a chiropractor instead of a real doctor,
Is it a legal requirement to take your kids for well baby visits? I'm surprised chiropractor visits count.
Deliberate home births (not the ones that happen by accident because the labor was that quick) can be a wonderful experience if done right, and that's the key phrase - IF DONE RIGHT. I recently watched a show I had Tivo'ed a while back about the country singers Joey and Rory Feek, and their daughter, who has Down Syndrome no less, was indeed born at home - and shortly afterwards, the midwife called an ambulance because something unspecified went wrong. (Most likely, the placenta wasn't coming out.) She DID have prenatal care, from a midwife, and it was that midwife who suspected that Joey had cervical cancer at her 3-month checkup. Sadly, she was right and Joey died a couple years later.
The midwife doesn't have 100% control over whether the birth will 'go right.' Seconds of oxygen deprivation can cripple a child for life, let alone the minutes or hours it takes for an ambulance to arrive.
 
I don't think that's quite fair. They call the abortion support organizations "wonderful." It's quite likely that it says in their organization charter, and in the promises they made to their donors, that the funds would only be used for women who suffered due to unintended loss of pregnancy.
Pretty sure all those links were prolife propaganda sites. The "oh you feel so guilty for murdering your baby" kinda think, not judgement-free support for women who aborted to spare their kid suffering.
 
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