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[Namesarehardtocomeupwith]

I never understood this either. It gives too much credibility to falseflaggers and Nijiniggers who are always trying to paint Cover as a legit "black company," and it leaves me wondering as well. I understand they have a lot of other employees to pay salaries for but jesus christ.

I know they don't mistreat their talents or anything as Yagoo said he flat-out wouldn't allow that ever again, and Fubuki wouldn't stand for it and would quit if it happened but still, the fact they always seem to have flies buzzing out of their supposedly empty wallets despite having like 7 of the Top 10 superchat earners, insane merch sales and promotions, and all that juicy concert profit, is weird.

Maybe they should fish for a free $17M from Sony like Nijisanji did lol.

To be fair yagoo is the ceo of covercorp, not hololive. Even with the best of intention there's no way he can control every decision of the direct management (which is presumably the cause of pekora's recent problem).
Also every single japanese company is a black company. It's just varies in degree. Does hololive brow beat their talents, forced them to sleep of the floor and steal every last cent? I doubt it. Do they overwork their talents to the point of exhaustion? Almost certainly.

For anyone who wanted to see dear leader in live2d, allow me to remind you that null is a filthy nigger who denied the existence of tomboys so the best live2d model in the world won't save his shit opinion.

 

[Cubanodun]

For anyone who wanted to see dear leader in live2d, allow me to remind you that null is a filthy nigger who denied the existence of tomboys so the best live2d model in the world won't save his shit opinion.

We put in the description that he is actually the first non binary jew vtuber, half the internet will rape him in his debut

 

[darkestraven]

To be fair yagoo is the ceo of covercorp, not hololive. Even with the best of intention there's no way he can control every decision of the direct management (which is presumably the cause of pekora's recent problem).
Also every single japanese company is a black company. It's just varies in degree. Does hololive brow beat their talents, forced them to sleep of the floor and steal every last cent? I doubt it. Do they overwork their talents to the point of exhaustion? Almost certainly.

For anyone who wanted to see dear leader in live2d, allow me to remind you that null is a filthy nigger who denied the existence of tomboys so the best live2d model in the world won't save his shit opinion.

Bit of an evil rrat, but what you said about overworking talent to the point of exhaustion stood out to me. What if the reason they pick down on their luck/unfortunate souls is because they're easier to manipulate and might do that without it even being asked of them. Look at Watame. Very doubtful though.

Speaking of and on a brighter note, I found the HD version of Watame and Haachama playing the Forest and figured I'd share. I uploaded it in the hopes of getting auto translations but hasn't happened yet, but I noticed Harry Lin is TLing in the chat above Watame's head.

And part 2.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I was wondering what made the thread get so many pages. More information about what happened with Pekora and the doomposting about how Calli tweeting/retweeting/liking an ENVtuber is gonna bring about the downfall of Hololive or something started up again.

 

[animeclungeiscool]

I never understood this either. It gives too much credibility to falseflaggers and Nijiniggers who are always trying to paint Cover as a legit "black company," and it leaves me wondering as well. I understand they have a lot of other employees to pay salaries for but jesus christ.

To be fair, Cover is/was a technology company. I imagine, despite how successful Hololive is, they still have those original ambitions tucked away and are wanted to spend a hefty amount on that.
Either that, or they're just not wanting to play favourites in case everyone came running asking for money for prizes and shit

 

[Thomas Talus]

Do they overwork their talents to the point of exhaustion? Almost certainly.

Not in the contracts, they don't. The actual minimum requirements are streaming three times a week and maintaining at least 50k subs. The endurance streams, Korone's schedule, Gura practicing herself sick, that's stuff the streamers place on themselves.

 

[Cubanodun]

Do they overwork their talents to the point of exhaustion? Almost certainly.

Some of them do but is not encouraged by the company is themselves that are workaholics take for example Watame that her manager had to tell her to take a rest or he would throw her to the rice fields

 

[The One And Only SALTE]

To be fair yagoo is the ceo of covercorp, not hololive. Even with the best of intention there's no way he can control every decision of the direct management (which is presumably the cause of pekora's recent problem).

Pekora's issue is that she can't hold a monetary prize giveaway. Far as I know this is company wide. Calli had mentioned wanting to give out something similar for her remix contest but her hands were tied so she could only give them a promotion on her channel as well as a signed illustration card or something, aka something that wouldn't cost any real money to make.

Marine's meme contest was sort of similar, where the winner got a custom reddit profile illustration by her as the prize. Dealing with monetary value contests/raffles enters a legal territory involving sweepstakes, which have their own shit laws to deal with and Cover probably doesn't wanna touch those with a 10 foot pole.

Also every single japanese company is a black company. It's just varies in degree. Does hololive brow beat their talents, forced them to sleep of the floor and steal every last cent? I doubt it. Do they overwork their talents to the point of exhaustion? Almost certainly.

There have been multiple times where the management has forced talent to take a break due to health concerns; Korone was forced to it after refusing to take her doctor's advice and I forget but there was a more recent case of a forced break to prevent overworking.

The true "black" nature of Cover was actually in their early days when they tried to police their talent to an insane degree on what they could or couldn't do on stream. Matsuri got into a fuckton of trouble early on for being herself, and her management only let up when they realized Gen 2 was more wild. Then it happened with Coco since she would get reprimanded by management all the time. That let up when they realized how much money she was bringing in.

 

[Mister O.]

To be fair, Cover is/was a technology company. I imagine, despite how successful Hololive is, they still have those original ambitions tucked away and are wanted to spend a hefty amount on that.
Either that, or they're just not wanting to play favourites in case everyone came running asking for money for prizes and shit

This is true, and as @Namesarehardtocomeupwith said, Yagoo is the CEO of CoverCorp, in which Hololive Production is a subsidiary branch. So he probably doesn't have a whole lot of say in the day-to-day stuff, if any at all. As I said prior, middle-management is the bane of all "bottom-rung" workers at any job. Not saying the girls are bottom-rung, but nobody answers to them so they may as well be.

and of course the tech is a huge part of their budget, they want to stay at the forefront of the 3D entertainment tech industry in Japan, which they're doing handedly at the moment, but I assume they need to keep up the pace.

Not in the contracts, they don't. The actual minimum requirements are streaming three times a week and maintaining at least 50k subs. The endurance streams, Korone's schedule, Gura practicing herself sick, that's stuff the streamers place on themselves.

What Thomas here said. Cover/Hololive is extremely forgiving about the girls' stream times due to health issues and other personal life plans, etc. (Ayame, once again, is the perfect example)

I do not doubt Cover/Hololive is very autistic about money and numbers, because sasuga Japanese companies, but they are definitely not a black company and they do not work their talents to exhaustion. They were a bit more hardass in the beginning but they've relaxed on stuff a lot once they realized it was better for the fans and the talents to let loose and bit and have more fun and drop the whole hyper-seiso shenanigans.

The girls do have an absolutely rigorous schedule to keep, especially during concert season(s), but Cover accommodates them and refuses to let them burn themselves out.

I honestly think that the whole Pekora situation stems from her just going from socially-inept hikki who never held a job like this before, to a world-renowned internet celebrity with millions of people knowing her every move (in only 1.5 years, to boot), so she didn't know how to "debate" with management about money in a civil way and turned it into a whole big fiasco.

 

[The Real SVP]

As Pekora said, where does the money go?

Educated guess: It goes into having a management infrastructure in the first place. Employing people is expensive, especially in highly developed places like Japan. Then it goes into growth and developing future talent. Which can take a lot of time, which, because of the first point, takes a lot of money. Most of what's left probably goes back to Cover and to their investors, to develop the technology and to make them feel good.

 

[Namesarehardtocomeupwith]

Not in the contracts, they don't. The actual minimum requirements are streaming three times a week and maintaining at least 50k subs. The endurance streams, Korone's schedule, Gura practicing herself sick, that's stuff the streamers place on themselves.

Some of them do but is not encouraged by the company is themselves that are workaholics take for example Watame that her manager had to tell her to take a rest or he would throw her to the rice fields

Unless they specifically hand picked workaholics, I'd say so many of them do it to the point of having to be told stop is a sign of company cultural problem, not individuals. Then again it's what they wanted to do in the first place so you're probably right. Though I do want to add that there's more going on than just streaming, dancing and singing practice for example.
Speaking of which, any of the holo girls got any regular schedule side gig like weekly radio show for example?

All in all, a lot of people have faith in cover as a company. Color me impressed.

 

[Rezza]

I can't stand watching the Pekora clip. Call me retarded or something, but hearing her cry really made me sad. I hoped she can stay strong on this matter

Edit:
Also, many people thought of Cover as a Black Company. But compared to the shit that is IT industry, especially in Japan, Cover seems to be a very good company, at the very least on the surface

 

[augment]

This is true, and as @Namesarehardtocomeupwith said, Yagoo is the CEO of CoverCorp, in which Hololive Production is a subsidiary branch. So he probably doesn't have a whole lot of say in the day-to-day stuff, if any at all. As I said prior, middle-management is the bane of all "bottom-rung" workers at any job. Not saying the girls are bottom-rung, but nobody answers to them so they may as well be.

and of course the tech is a huge part of their budget, they want to stay at the forefront of the 3D entertainment tech industry in Japan, which they're doing handedly at the moment, but I assume they need to keep up the pace.

What Thomas here said. Cover/Hololive is extremely forgiving about the girls' stream times due to health issues and other personal life plans, etc. (Ayame, once again, is the perfect example)

I do not doubt Cover/Hololive is very autistic about money and numbers, because sasuga Japanese companies, but they are definitely not a black company and they do not work their talents to exhaustion. They were a bit more hardass in the beginning but they've relaxed on stuff a lot once they realized it was better for the fans and the talents to let loose and bit and have more fun and drop the whole hyper-seiso shenanigans.

The girls do have an absolutely rigorous schedule to keep, especially during concert season(s), but Cover accommodates them and refuses to let them burn themselves out.

I honestly think that the whole Pekora situation stems from her just going from socially-inept hikki who never held a job like this before, to a world-renowned internet celebrity with millions of people knowing her every move (in only 1.5 years, to boot), so she didn't know how to "debate" with management about money in a civil way and turned it into a whole big fiasco.

So do you work at Hololive or, Cover...? Which department are you staffed at.

 

[AkioDayo]

Educated guess: It goes into having a management infrastructure in the first place. Employing people is expensive, especially in highly developed places like Japan. Then it goes into growth and developing future talent. Which can take a lot of time, which, because of the first point, takes a lot of money. Most of what's left probably goes back to Cover and to their investors, to develop the technology and to make them feel good.

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they also get flat salary on top of the cut they get from Superchats and Membership revenues? What doesn't add up to me is how any VTuber company, whether it be Cover or Nijisanji, makes any profit at all. Surely those advertisement deals can't cover everything, or I'm massively underestimating the money they make from those.

Unless they specifically hand picked workaholics, I'd say so many of them do it to the point of having to be told stop is a sign of company cultural problem, not individuals. Then again it's what they wanted to do in the first place so you're probably right. Though I do want to add that there's more going on than just streaming, dancing and singing practice for example.
Speaking of which, any of the holo girls got any regular schedule side gig like weekly radio show for example?

All in all, a lot of people have faith in cover as a company. Color me impressed.

Japanese work ethic may also come into play here so while Cover may not be necessarily overworking them, the individuals might voluntarily do it themselves. Again, just another armchair psychology theory of mine.

I can't stand watching the Pekora clip. Call me retarded or something, but hearing her cry really made me sad. I hoped she can stay strong on this matter

Edit:
Also, many people thought of Cover as a Black Company. But compared to the shit that is IT industry, especially in Japan, Cover seems to be a very good company, at the very least on the surface

Yeah any time there's a clip of Pekora genuinely being upset, like that time she apologized for oversleeping or when she can't get her video capture thing to work, it breaks my heart because she rarely shows that side of her.

 

[animeclungeiscool]

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they also get flat salary on top of the cut they get from Superchats and Membership revenues? What doesn't add up to me is how any VTuber company, whether it be Cover or Nijisanji, makes any profit at all. Surely those advertisement deals can't cover everything, or I'm massively underestimating the money they make from those.

I imagine they make a decent bit from merchandise sales. Also wouldn't surprise me if Cover sold some sort of enterprise software on the side. And Nijisanji has investments from Sony, which probably makes up a decent bit of their cash

 

[:omg_tk:]

Apex Vtuber tournament has ended and here's the ranking from ShibuyaHAL.

I didn't get to watch the whole tournament but the times I did tune in was really hectic, it would be like 3 or 4 teams fighting down to the last circle. But man I was expecting the gorilla to come in the top 5, same with Kuzuha's team. But the real surprise was Sara's team making it in the top 10 and nearly reaching 5th considering that the only high rank in the team is Kaminari who is master while Gundou and Sara are below diamond.

-How can someone who plays Apex for so long rank so low on this? I'm talking about Ayame, RBC and Towa.

Yeah they're all extremely average at the game, the only one who stands out I would say is Aqua but she didn't participate and even then she's only a bit above average.

 

[Lord Neeba]

I'm pretty sure it's an allocation/policy problem. It's very difficult to draw a line between "needed" and "not needed", for example Pekora's prizes and Calli's mic are important for their particular stream, but so are Haachama's tarantula and Coco's pube trimmer. At the end they just said "fuck it" and gave them a stipend in addition to the talent's cut of stream income. On one hand I can understand that the company should chip in, but on the other, I'm fairly certain Pekora could give out $10000 in prizes from her own income and it'd hardly make a dent. Unless Cover takes the vast majority of their superchats she's sitting on a the better part of a million dollars.

From what I've heard, hololive superchat money goes 1/3 youtube, 1/3 cover, 1/3 vtuber.

 

[Eurynome]

From what I've heard, hololive superchat money goes 1/3 youtube, 1/3 cover, 1/3 vtuber.

The 30% YouTube takes is certain, but the rest is just speculation, I believe. And Japan has pretty high taxes, so I assume the vTubers themselves don't end up with much.

 

[Rezza]

From what I've heard, hololive superchat money goes 1/3 youtube, 1/3 cover, 1/3 vtuber.

It's common knowledge about that. Niji also have the same ratio
But that kind of thing can't possibly cover everything since Cover also have to pay salaries to talents and staff alike. Then there's also the taxes (which remind me, did Vtubers pay taxes?) problem since Japan's tax authority is a massive cunt (well, they all are)

 

[CapricornusRex]

It's common knowledge about that. Niji also have the same ratio
But that kind of thing can't possibly cover everything since Cover also have to pay salaries to talents and staff alike. Then there's also the taxes (which remind me, did Vtubers pay taxes?) problem since Japan's tax authority is a massive cunt (well, they all are)

In what country is the tax authority not cunts?